Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:25 on 1 Dec 2011. Participants in this chat were: Tony Tassell Neil Hume, FT
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just starting off this session while Neil wraps a post for the blog
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am a little more prepared this morning..have russets to hand rather galas
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and we have lots to talk about
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The central bankers finally seem to the recognising that it is a little tricky out there in money markets
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i should point out i am standing in Bryce…still stricken with the flu
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just looking at the Bank of England
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Financial Stability Report
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the Governor asks the impossible
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bolster your balance sheets
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i liked the robert jenkins from the bank of england’s FPC last week..
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if you are in lock down
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he argued the line of the banks was intellectually dishonest
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should you really be extending loans
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surely you should be battening down the hatch
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so you are saying the banks cannot cut divis, costs..
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with exception of HSBC and Standard
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and the BoE isn’t worried about them
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here’s a bit of the report
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The interim Financial Policy Committee (FPC) agreed the following policy recommendations at its
meeting on 23 November:
• Following its recommendation from September, and given the current exceptionally threatening
environment, the Committee recommends that, if earnings are insufficient to build capital levels
further, banks should limit distributions and give serious consideration to raising external capital
in the coming months.
• The Committee reiterates its advice to the FSA to encourage banks to improve the resilience of
their balance sheets without exacerbating market fragility or reducing lending to the real
economy.
• The Committee recommends that the FSA encourages banks to disclose their leverage ratios, as
defined in the Basel III agreement, as part of their regular reporting not later than the beginning
of 2013.
NH
the last bit is interesting
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the FSA wants a leverage ratio
Top News from Top Sources. The BBC’s Business Editor, Robert Peston, has played in important role keeping the British public fully informed during these difficult times.
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Most signif Bank of Eng announcement today is telling banks must state ratio of gross loans to capital by 2013
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i guess those ratios were out tehre in the market anyway among analysts
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it will just make it more public and easier for hacks to find in statements to report on and ask questions of management if their leverage ratios are way out of whack
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anyway..apparently Merve the swerve is claiming credit for the big central bank coming-to-the-rescue-but-not-actually-changing-anything action
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he told hacks at the presser that he initiated the action
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makes you wonder what the other central bankers were doing
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anyway at least Draghi seems to be publicly acknowledging the scale of the problems
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not a financial comet?
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that we have no functioning money markets
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ah..i think Neil you are referring to that Forbes report yesterday
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Aware of maturity mismatches, stresses on bank funding
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first lets drag out some draghi rhetoric
NH
I thought this was interesting
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Draghi addressed the EU Parliament confirming the ECB’s hard line stance on
bond purchases, although he added that dysfunctional markets hamper ECB
policy, which gives a justification for ECB intervention. (i.e. to aid the
transmission of monetary policy)
NH
Draghi also said that the downside risks to economic growth increased, which
will add to speculation that the central bank will cut official rates again
in December. Draghi also said that a new fiscal compact would be an
important signal, but warned that politicians must get shared fiscal compact
right.
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I think Tony has some more comment on this
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his autumn, tensions in financial markets have intensified again with very adverse effects on financing conditions and confidence. Downside risks to the economic outlook have increased. The weaker degree of activity is moderating price, cost and wage pressures. It is in this context that the ECB decided to reduce its key interest rates by 25 basis points in early November 2011.
Dysfunctional government bond markets in several euro area countries hamper the single monetary policy because the way this policy is transmitted to the real economy depends also on the conditions of the bond markets in the various countries. An impaired transmission mechanism for monetary policy has a damaging impact on the availability and price of credit to firms and households.
This is the very important monetary policy reason for the ECB’s non-standard measures. But of course, such interventions can only be limited. Governments must – individually and collectively – restore their credibility vis-à-vis financial markets.
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that was part of draghi’s speech
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at least he acknowledges they dont seem to have much credibility
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of the financial system
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that’s how it reads to me
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An impaired transmission mechanism for monetary policy has a damaging impact on the availability and price of credit to firms and households.
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slowly like a frog in hot water..they are realising the scale of the problem
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they are getting there
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which leads back to this
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when things are really bad
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it’s good for the market
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hence the reaction to yesterday’s
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nah..there is still plenty of scope for disappointment
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they can still prevaricate
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and yesterday’s action did not really do much to alleviate the real problems
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that everyone is stil scared still to lend to each other
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when you look at the swaps
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they have been in place before
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because they were too expensive
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and the Dow went up 500 points on that
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and the main thing. is that the policy makers cannot call the bluff of the markets…
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if it lasts much longer, what happens to banks and companies
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anyway what is the market doing?
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12 points stronger at 5,518
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post the Draghi speech
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then rallied on the Spain and France bond auction
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which were really, really well bid
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01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN SELLS 1200 MLN EUROS IN 2015 BOND
09:46 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN SELLS 1150 MLN EUROS IN 2016 BOND
09:46 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN SELLS 1400 MLN EUROS IN 2017 BOND
09:46 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2015 BOND BID-TO-COVER RATIO 2.7 (LAST AUCTION 2.1)
09:47 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2016 BOND BID-TO-COVER RATIO 2.8
09:47 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2017 BOND BID-TO-COVER RATIO 2.7 (LAST AUCTION 1.8)
09:51 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2015 BOND AVERAGE YIELD 5.187 PCT (LAST AUCTION 3.639 PCT)
09:51 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2016 BOND AVERAGE YIELD 5.276 PCT
09:51 01Dec11 RTRS-SPAIN 2017 BOND AVERAGE YIELD 5.544 PCT (LAST AUCTION 4.782 PCT)
10:07 01Dec11 RTRS-RPT-Spain yields jump to highest levels in 14 years
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who are the buyers..sure not french and spanish footballers
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01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE SELLS 595 MLN EUROS 4.25 PCT OCT 2017 OAT, AVG YIELD 2.42 PCT
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE OCTOBER 2017 OAT BID/COVER 4.403
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE SELLS 1.571 BLN EUROS 3.25 PCT OCT 2021 ), AVG YIELD 3.18 PCT
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE OCTOBER 2021 ) BID/COVER 3.046
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE SELLS 1.100 BLN EUROS 3.50 PCT APRIL 2026 OAT, AVG YIELD 3.65 PCT
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE APRIL 2026 OAT BID/COVER 3.239
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE SELLS 1.080 BLN EUROS 4.50 PCT APRIL 2041 ), AVG YIELD 3.94 PCT
10:00 01Dec11 RTRS-FRANCE APRIL 2041 ) BID/COVER 2.257
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the spanish footballers are pretty flush mind you
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cheap to pawn at the ECB
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here’s how one broke put it
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how about the art in the foyers
NH
Yet more eveidence of the massive demand for collateral to pawn off to the
ECB. No point in extending the analysis beyond that point – because it’s
true.
- Trying to do ANY sort of fundamental analysis in this market is like
bringing a #2 pencil to a gunfight.
NH
Let’s not kid ourselves here. The market will rejoice over the fact that
there was strong demand for 4, 5 & 6Y paper which Spain are paying >5% for
the privilige for. These yields are 14 year highs and were roughly inline
with the bonds’ secondary trading levels.
- Usually domestic banks are told to bid by their respective central banks and
just sell onto the ECB. I would suggest an element of that happened today.
NH
The auction went EXACTLY like Italy’s on Tuesday which drew reasonable
demand but saw yields leap to levels deemed unsustainable for public
finances.
- The strong BTCs suggest – to me – that the market expects the ECB to ramp up
it’s SMP operations to buy peripheral debt. Just my own personal thought.
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Deutsche has a lot of fine artwork hanging around the london wall offices they could carry off to the ECB
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is now a dumping ground
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that they are going to widen the pool of collateral
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and extend loans to 3 three year
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(alert..milky said something sensible)
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flooding the market with more liquidity
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you can lead a horse to water but..
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to look at the cash in deposit at the ECB
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Ecvery compliance and risk office at every bank must be yelling out: hoard capital
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parked overnight increasingly
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we have a credit crunch
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We talk about that euro comet?
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so much happened yesterday
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that we need to go back
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Diploma PLC (DPLM:LSE): Last: 356.20, up 22.8 (+6.84%), High: 356.20, Low: 333.50, Volume: 90.55k
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sounds support servicy to me
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but a few people reckon
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trading like its had an approach at the moment
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very big in seals apparently..diploma
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Diploma PLC is an international group of businesses supplying specialised technical products and services to the Life Sciences, Seals and
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along with specialisted wiring and services to the life sciences industry
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knocking around yesterday
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know much about the seals market Neil?
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not sure that’s driven it higher today
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Diploma exhibits many of the positive characteristics that we look for in an
investment. It has a proven operating model, scope to expand by product and
geography, strong management and sound finances. We reiterate our 400p
price target and Buy recommendation.
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they boast about having an ungeared balance sheet and strong cash flow on their home page
NH
Proven strategy. We have already alluded to a sound group strategy. This has
maintained a focus on the provision of essential products and services aimed at its
customers’ operating budgets. This provides high levels of recurring revenue, which
enhances the resilience of the group.
NH
Attractive valuation. The calendar 2011E P/E is 11.1x falling to 10.7x, while the
EV/EBITDA is 7.1x falling to 6.6x. These compare favourably to a Distribution peer
group. We believe that it will continue to generate top quartile margins, relative to its
peers, and this needs to be factored into the valuation. We maintain our 400p price target
and reiterate our positive stance
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so i assume it is ripe for someone to take it over and gear it up
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it’s the sort of thing
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of course adding value along the way
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that would appeal to an overseas bidder
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(deep breath..a definite yellow)
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(almost a straight red for that. poor)
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actually it was part of the forbes website which seems to allow free form blogging
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basically said the central bank action was triggered by concerns that one big french bank was close to failure
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by Forbes letting bloggers loose
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yes …particularly as it most likely bollocks
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and accusing a French bank of anything
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i note that Daily Mail splash this morning
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it reported in the fourth para that there were fears that at least one major european bank might teetering on the brink of collapse
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this is pretty bolshie stuff from the mail
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considering they were being threatened with a lawsuit over a previous article on BNP
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sorry SocGen it was many apologies
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Societe Generale SA (GLE) won a defamation suit against an online news site over a September report that France’s second biggest bank was shut out of the interbank lending market.
ElectronLibre.info, published by Paris-based EL Publishing SAS, must pay 1 euro ($1.35) to Societe Generale for publishing the report, a Paris court ruled today.
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that report was widely seen ascompletely bollocks
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EL Publishing and director Emmanuel Torregano were ordered to pay Societe Generale legal costs and to remove the Sept. 7 article from the site within three days or risk an additional 1,000-euro-a-day fine. The site must also run a paragraph on its homepage saying the court condemned it for running the article and to pay for that to appear in a publication of Societe Generale’s choosing.
Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis has hit French banks hard. Societe Generale has fought to maintain customer confidence as shares have dropped almost 46 percent since Aug. 1 and its third-quarter profit fell 31 percent on a 333 million-euro pretax writedown on Greek sovereign debt and lower trading revenue. The bank sued Associated Newspapers Ltd.’s Mail on Sunday in London last month for an August report that it was in a “perilous” state and possibly on the “brink of disaster.”
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They are making a name for themeselves
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with this legal action
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now i find French government policy and many of the country’s business practices as hypocryptical and faintly ridiculous as the next man
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but i think the French have reason for complaint against the anglo saxon press in this case
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definitely in the first story that is subject to complaint
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in today’s splash it was just more bolshie
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i don’t think it is true
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Now turning to Wednesday’s other big story
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no these liquidity swaps
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looking at the front pages today
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you would have thought
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had saved the world by
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acquiring Eurozone bonds
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was cut the rate on the swaps
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people read why to much into it
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we still need the calvary to come
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Ptolemy…you are right..it was a european bank rather than french bank..apologies
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and it should be pointed out the splash was part written by alex brummer…a very respected journalist
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As today’s “co-ordinated central bank” actions have demonstrated, financial markets are cynical beings, which are happiest when central banks appear to offer a form of comfort that suggests they will always be there to save markets from themselves, and whatever materializes in terms of fresh macroeconomic input will be trampled on in the ensuing rush (in this case for so-called “risk” assets).
NH
Still the thought process needs to be extended beyond the point of ostensibly “enlightened self-interest”. Firstly, as has been reported, the eurozone financial sector was in all probability on the brink of “meltdown” to prompt this action, so this was a damage limitation exercise, or “fire fighting”, rather than a solution to current Eurozone woes.
NH
Secondly, while the sense that central banks will ostensibly do anything to ensure no “meltdown”, the implication that central banks appear to be willing to expand their balance sheets ad infinitum (ad nauseam? Ed.) begs 2 questions: a) at what point do they become the “central counter party” for the interbank market, which would infer a terminal breakdown in the ‘interbank market’, and b) central banks, either collectively in the ECB’s case, or individually elsewhere, are implicitly backed by national governments.
NH
So if they are per force of events expanding their balance sheets exponentially, and the world is worried about the level of government debt and budget deficits, then why should there actually be any sense of comfort from this action, and beyond that, is this not just another example of money’s role as being a proxy for a store of value (but having no intrinsic value of itself) being destroyed?
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sounds like something Izy would say
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Thus the question for today is, after a run of Asian, Australian and Dutch PMI readings which paint a very downbeat picture of the manufacturing sectors, a hardly encouraging Beige Book, and which were only very marginally mitigated by slightly better than expected Korean exports (but offset by a soft profile to Indonesian exports): will the expected downbeat readings in the Eurozone and indeed the UK also be ignored in an unseemly display of ‘never mind the data, feel the central bank liquidity’?
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As for the US Manufacturing ISM is expected to pick up to 51.8 from 50.8, which would fit with the slightly better profile of recent data, but hardly be a cause for unbridled optimism, with much the same being applicable to the expected 390K on Initial Claims. US Auto Sales are also on tap, and are again expected to accelerate, but the perception that the current uptrend is more a function of unwinding inventory shortages, which dampened Q2/Q3 sales, due to the supply chain disruptions as a consequence of the Tohoku disaster is a valid one, and Q1 2012 sales may see a retrenchment to a 12.5 Mln SAAR pace.
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(fanta..good point..we should have a global rescue bailout sweepstake)
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Simon Derrick of BoNY was good on Italy this morning
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Four months and it is all to clear that investors remain unconvinced that
their money is safe being invested in Italian sovereign debt (as this
week’s auctions proved clearly). If Eurozone finance ministers were in any
doubt about this, the report presented to them on Tuesday evening (and
reported in both The Guardian and La Republica) likely disabused them. The
document (reportedly signed by European Economic and Monetary Affairs
Commissioner Olli Rehn) presented a stark picture. The Eurogroup ministers
were warned that Italy’s liquidity crisis could leave the nation insolvent.
It noted: “The risks of a full-blown sovereign liquidity crisis can
increase rapidly in the absence of a determined policy response …
Persistently high interest rates increase the risk of a self-fulfilling
‘run’ from Italy’s sovereign debt. A liquidity crisis could then turn into
a solvency crisis, whose repercussions for other large euro area countries
would be very acute given their exposure to the Italian economy.” It was
therefore no surprise that an unnamed “euro-zone official with direct
knowledge of the matter” told Dow Jones: “There is growing conviction that
Italy may soon need to be bailed out.”
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anyway…what else you ahve seen
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there was lot of macro strategy notes from goldman around, one from credit suisse and something of interest to mily
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Goldman were very very bullish about commodities this morning
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has it had any follow through into prices of the miners
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usually a reverse midas with stock calls
Bhp Billiton PLC (BLT:LSE): Last: 1,956, up 7 (+0.36%), High: 1,968, Low: 1,920, Volume: 4.18m
Xstrata PLC (XTA:LSE): Last: 1,022, up 5 (+0.49%), High: 1,035, Low: 997.10, Volume: 4.49m
Rio Tinto PLC (RIO:LSE): Last: 3,364, up 24.5 (+0.73%), High: 3,390, Low: 3,295, Volume: 2.44m
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that is a technical term neil i assume..will have to remember that one
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anyway here is the note
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Goldman on commodities
Even as the European debt crisis intensified during November, unlike other financial markets,
commodity markets traded mostly sideways, ending the month up 1%. This is a reflection of the
two offsetting, but intensifying forces commodity markets face, as they continue to navigate
between a potential economic crisis whirlpool on one side and rocks on the other side, which the
market will likely run up against should demand not falter and supply constraints force price spikes
to balance the market.
Slow growth may help commodity markets balance in 2012
As our economists roll out a 4.1% 2013 global GDP forecast, the real
concern is the more near-term outlook for 2012 where they have reduced
their global GDP forecast from 3.4% to 3.2%. This reduced outlook, but
avoidance of global recession, makes it more likely that commodity
markets can maintain a central course between the whirlpool of a world
economic recession and the rocks of potential shortages. Accordingly, we
are maintaining our 2012 commodity price forecasts with an end-of-2012
price forecast for Brent oil of $127.50/bbl. We are also introducing an endof-
2013 price forecast for Brent oil of $135/bbl.
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Upside risks in 2012; downside risks in 2013
The European debt crisis remains a significant downside risk in 2012.
However, as long as the risks manifest themselves in economic weakness
and not in financial stress that would likely precipitate a global recession, it
is unlikely to severely impact commodity markets. This was the lesson
from 2008, as the US was in recession, but commodity markets traded
higher as EM remained strong until financial stress created a global
recession. In the current environment, increasingly tighter physical markets
driven by de-stocking and supply disappointments create significant upside
price risks in 2012 that could threaten economic growth. If either of these
risks – an oil price spike or a global economic recession triggered by the
European debt crisis – were realized in 2012, they would likely lead to
lower commodity demand in 2013, skewing the risks to the downside.
We maintain our 12-month Overweight allocation recommendation
On net, while we maintain our 12-month Overweight allocation to
commodities with a 12-month forecasted return of 15%, the risks to this
view are skewed to the upside, particularly given the return of significant
backwardation to the oil market that could become a very large driver of
returns.
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you would think if the world is on the brink of big crisis, commodities would suffer
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jack farchy, our commodities guy, points out though of the six main trades recommended by goldman in commods, only one is in the money apparently – a bullish call on gold
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but on oil at least supply is very very tight
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Goldman released their top ten trades for the year yesterday..get a lot attention in blogosphere
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what are they tipping?
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global i think..i will try to dig it out in a sec..in the meantime i have some euro strategy calls by peter oppenheimer…
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the goldman european strategist…very decent guy..as such i am surprised he has survived so long at goldman
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We think in the near term the market has further to fall as recession is
further priced in and earnings downgrades accelerate. We recently revised
down our 3-month SXXP target to 195, 16% below current levels, and
expect the SX5E to fall to 1825 over 3 months. These targets are consistent
with a persistent high risk premium and a modest economic recession.
…but we expect a trough some time in 1H2012
We expect profits to fall by 10% in 2012 (bottom-up consensus is +9.6%)
with a profit recovery of 14% penciled in for 2013. Given this, we expect the
market to recover some time in 1H2012 with indices ending the year up
c.10% on current levels. The timing of this rebound, however, is difficult to
predict as it is partly dependent on policy developments. Expectations are
building around the upcoming Euro summit, and the recent action by the
Fed and other central banks to support dollar funding has enhanced this.
Political and economic risks are high
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There is no doubt that a more decisive resolution to Europe’s funding
issues would reduce implied tail risks bringing the ERP down by c. 100 bp
as implied by our macro model, generating around a 25% rally. We
highlight risk reversal trades as an interesting implementation especially
given the lack of certainty on timing and the elevated level of 12-month
skew. But there are downside risks too. Our economic forecasts assume
some resolution to the Eurozone debt crisis at some point in the next few
months. But the chances of a more chaotic outcome, in particular a breakup
of the euro, although still small, have grown.
Themes: Buy EM exposure, Stable Growth, DY and FTSE 100
We recommend investors continue to focus on themes; see table below
where we emphasis growth divergence and defensive trades. We have also
moved more defensive in our sector portfolio, upgrading Healthcare to
Overweight and downgrading Banks to Underweight.
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peter..orthe firm oppenheimer
NH
Today Mr. Oppenheimer has downgraded his ESTOXX600 index price target to 195 from 255 (the current level is 224), I again am keen to see this as a bullish signal, but I decided to actually try and check his timing in the last 3 months, to establish his track-record.
As I mentioned the upgrades and downgrades history is not disclosed by GS in their running publications in this case but if one goes through all Oppenheimers recent publications in chronological order it is possible to get a picture;
NH
We start on July 29th 2011, his target of EStoxx600 is then 280, while Index is at 265.
· Then on August 5th, after a week when the actual index has dropped -10% to 239, the Price target is suddenly lowered to 255.
· Then, on September 6th, after a month when the market has dropped a further -7.1% (to 222) He downgrades his target to 210. This pretty much coincides with the 12-Month low 214.5 which is hit a week later.
· The Index then rallies back 5.6% to 224 from the bottom 214.5 in the period until October 3rd when Oppenheimer upgrades his target to 220.
· On October 29th he again upgrades his target to 255, after the Index has rallied another 10.1% and stands at 249.
· Then the Index corrects back to 224 (last close) in November to date and he today decisively cuts his target to 195 which follows the previous patter totally except for that he is actually a bit outside his normal 5% comfort zone of the spot.
NH
someone actually took the time
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i thknk that is a little unfair
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how many strategists could have made the right calls in this kind of market
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we have made many bad calls on here
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unless you are at one end of the bearish/bullish spectrum
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being bearish on Autonomy stands out
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how is your ocado call going
An internet food retailer that many believe is the second coming of Webvan. Loss making yet valued at close to £1bn on flotation.
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trying to call the bottom in Lloyds
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did you have something on Lloyds
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caught by the falling knife
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i was just going to point out our leader this morning which has a pop at lloyds
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took my hand straight off
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i don’t agree with it at all…
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and i am sure milky will disagree with it too
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Black horse blues
Much of the criticism heaped on Lloyds Banking Group since the UK bank revealed that its chief executive, António Horta-Osório, would stand aside because of illness has centred on the uncertainty caused by his absence. The board has been chided for appointing a man whose hands-on working style may be unsuited to such a large institution. There have been calls for Lloyds to replace Mr Horta-Osório, rather than waiting to see if he can return to his post.
While these are important questions for Lloyds investors, they are not the only ones raised by the story. Broader issues of governance are involved in the way his hiring was handled. These do not redound to the credit of the board.
The decision to bring in an outside chief executive was reasonable. It reflected the view of the bank’s largest investor, state-owned UK Financial Investments, that Lloyds needed new management to integrate recent acquisitions and improve its performance . Mr Horta-Osório was a fair choice. As boss of Santander’s UK operations, he was known for running a tight ship and had experience of integrating acquisitions.
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Whether Mr Horta-Osório’s frail health could have been foreseen is moot. The real failure came in allowing him to bring with him from Santander a posse of managers – the so-called conquistadores – one of whose recommendations seems to have been their intense loyalty to him. These individuals now occupy the top operational roles at Lloyds. It is unclear whether they will even stay if Mr Horta-Osório does not return.
Given Lloyds’ systemic importance, it is hard to understand how the board thought it appropriate to allow this. While it is reasonable for a chief executive to pick his team, it is a different matter if he surrounds himself with hand-picked allies brought in en bloc from a previous employer. It is hardly as if Lloyds – with 104,000 employees – could not have filled the posts internally. Not only would this have side-stepped paying premia to outside hires, it would have precluded conflicts of loyalty and bolstered morale. Equally importantly, it would have preserved institutional memory in a lender accounting for more than a quarter of the UK banking market.
One of the lessons of the crisis, surely, was that giving excessive authority to a high-flying boss is a mistake. Sir Fred Goodwin’s fall at Royal Bank of Scotland exposed the fallacy of that approach. It is troubling that Lloyds’ chairman, Sir Win Bischoff, and the rest of the board failed to heed it.
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as i said ehre the other day, i think the board has done a decent job in the circumstances…but we have a broad church here at the ft
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a Tier 2 Exchange Offer
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Lloyds TSB Bank plc (the “Issuer”) has today invited on behalf of itself and all other subsidiaries and subsidiary undertakings of Lloyds Banking Group plc (together the “Lloyds Banking Group Companies” and, together with Lloyds Banking Group plc, the “Group”) all Holders (subject to the Offer Restrictions referred to below) of the existing hybrid capital securities listed below (the “Existing Notes”) to Offer to Exchange, on the terms and subject to conditions set out in the Exchange Offer Memorandum dated 1 December 2011 (the “Exchange Offer Memorandum”), any or all of their Existing Notes for the new notes listed below (the “New Notes”).
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RATIONALE AND FUTURE CALL POLICY
The Group is undertaking an exchange offer on its Tier 2 capital securities which are eligible for call in 2012, with the exception of those already being treated on an economic basis.
This decision has been taken (i) in light of ongoing market volatility and regulatory uncertainty and (ii) as a consequence of the effects of a prohibition on capital calls which was imposed on the Group as part of the restructuring plan mandated by the European Commission following the receipt of state aid by the Group during 2009.
The Exchange Offer also provides the Group with an opportunity to improve the quality of the Group’s capital base.
NH
(Milky – off you go. cya tomorrow)
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what does all that mean Neil…the exchange offer i meant
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are they doing a santander…which angered a lot of bond investors over their capital swap
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not had time to go through the statement
NH
it looks Santander like
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we should talk to investors then…
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anywy where shall go to now
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i ahve some more strategy if you like…
NH
I have the latest by Dylan Grice as well
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where he outs himself?
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first pmi..some more depressing news if you like
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UK outlook deteriorates as manufacturing engine loses further steam
UK Markit/CIPS Manufacturing PMI, November 2011
1st December 2011
The latest data released this morning by Markit and the Chartered Institute of Purchasing and Supply showed more signs of weakness in the UK economy, as manufacturing sector activity contracted in November for the second consecutive month.
The purchasing managers’ index (PMI) for manufacturing fell back to 47.6 in November, down from 47.8 the previous month and further away from the 50.0 threshold that indicates contraction in the sector. This indicates that manufacturing activity is shrinking at its fastest rate for almost two and a half years, since June 2009, and is well down from a position of relative strength at the start of this year.
This acceleration in the downturn for the sector is likely to lead to more job losses, as the PMI for manufacturing employment plunged to 46.2 – a steep drop from a reading of 49.6 in October and suggesting the fastest reduction in headcounts in two years.
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Lower manufacturing output is linked to weaker world and domestic economic conditions. New orders fell for the fifth consecutive month in November, while export orders declined for the fourth month in a row on the back of reduced demand from the Eurozone, the US and Asia. Falling demand, in conjunction with easing commodity input prices, helped slow the rate of inflation for factory output prices, as the PMI index for these fell to 51.3 in November, well below a high of 65.2 in March.
Today’s release highlights the rapidly deteriorating outlook for the real economy, and corroborates Cebr’s view of a contraction in UK output for the final quarter of this year. Furthermore, economic conditions in the Eurozone pose a risk to growth over the medium term – the Governor of the Bank of England warned earlier this week that the banking system might not be robust enough to absorb the impact of a Eurozone collapse. If this happens, negative growth in 2012 can also be expected, despite central bank measures announced yesterday to ease pressure in financial markets.
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(oshi..milky lasted unusually long today…we should have been prompter)
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ok..dylan..always like a bit of dylan
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to his piece on Germany
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the mail bag was bulging
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and one of the offensive comments
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came from an AV reader
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but one of the know it all types
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Complaint #3: Grice is a hypocrite calling on the ECB to print
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This was actually a slightly puzzling one for me, as I thought Id made my position clear. But I
couldnt have been because quite a few of you raised the same objection. As (another) irate
client wrote:
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“Your hypocrisy is astounding. After preaching about the evils of money printing, you now
join in with the chorus, squealing for the ECB to ride to your rescue by bailing out your
bankrupt employer!”
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Or another good one from the Alphaville readers comments
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“I find it quite entertaining how so many people who have been blustering and soap-boxing
about the importance of hard money and criticizing money printing, quickly ‘go soft’ when
their policies are actually in danger of being enacted. Grice being a case in point.”
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which i got those i kind of emails
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This is not what I said. I argued only that Germanys principled stance exacerbated its
depression and served the Hitlerite cause. If we all agree that serving the Hitlerite cause was a
bad thing, then we presumably also agree that a willingness to compromise its principles
would have been a better thing.
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I found this not only interesting, but challenging too, because the corollary is that there is no
such thing as an unbendable principle. This might be an uncomfortable observation, but that
doesnt make it false. If a principle is unbendable it ceases to be a principle. It instead
becomes a rule. And I agree with Doug Bader, the British WW2 fighter pilot, who said “rules
are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.”
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The purpose of the historical analysis, therefore, was not to reach conclusions about how
adherence to hard money principles will linearly lead to resurgent fascism, or war on a par
with that seen in the 1930s. Neither was it in any way a defence of Keynesian fiscal activism. It
was to illustrate that adherence to even the best principles must come at a price,
making a judgment on whether or not that price is prohibitive or not is unavoidable, and
today Germany and the ECB have to make that judgment.
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might do something on this later
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(shaunc99…agree completely…his comments are unsually direct..at last)
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not the top ten dylan songs of all time?
Kingfisher PLC (KGF:LSE): Last: 264.50, up 8.9 (+3.48%), High: 269.70, Low: 261.30, Volume: 6.36m
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of the usually mild autumn weather
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lots of bbqs sold in warm weather?
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how is this for a stat
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in a week in September
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than the whole of June
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was that from Philip Dorgan’s tweets?
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i really miss bbqs…i live in a flat without a garden..a very poor state of affairs for an australian
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as as kid we lived off them for months on end during the summer
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upgrades coming through
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looks to be almost as well run as Next
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I have always been a sceptic of Next and proven wrong consistently over many many years
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best run listed retailer in the UK
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here’s some comment from Dorgan at Panmure
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Kingfisher’s Q3 statement is a collector’s item these days, showing, as it has,
profit growth and leading to profit upgrades. We expect to hear an exciting
and relevant strategic update in March, adding visibility to its expansion
plans and its opportunity in common sourcing and in own label. We therefore
maintain our Buy recommendation and our target price of 350p.
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What has been announced: Kingfisher’s Q3 statement makes good reading. B&Q’s
like-for-like sales fell by 0.9%, compared with our forecast for -1.5%. France is still
seeing growth (1.7% and 2.2% at Castorama and Brico Depot respectively) and
International markets were positive at 3.8%. In terms of profit, B&Q grew by 21% to
£46m, with gross margins growing faster than costs and a boost from the weather,
enabling the clearance of seasonal stocks. For example, in one week in September, B&Q
sold more barbecues than in the whole of June.
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there’s that fact again
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We are upgrading by £10m to £805m, reflecting a £10m increase in
both the UK and France, with a £10m downgrade in Other International (£8m in
Poland, £2m in China). To put some perspective on this, Poland is a tough market, but it
still made, in one quarter, twice the profit expected from Homebase for the whole year.
We think that Kingfisher has a significant growth opportunity.
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We believe that it could
(over the long term) double its business in Poland and Spain, treble in Turkey and
quadruple in Russia. Also, China is close to profitability. At last, Kingfisher is beginning
to extract benefits from having a group structure. For example, from increased direct
sourcing and in driving common sourcing from circa 5% of products to over 50%. This
year will see the latter treasure trove finally unlocked, with the rationalisation of 150
groupwide own brands down to 10 Superbrands.
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why can’t they have public bbqs in parks like they do down under
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and staying with retail
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those John Lewis numbers
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the UK was the frozen planet
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so that needs to be considered
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(buckie lugger…nah there are enough warm days around for them to exist..it is bit like why are there not street food markets in the uk..though one of the papers said one has just opened in bristol)
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John Lewis revealed that their department store sales were up by 10.5% year-on-year in the four days trading through to Wednesday. This is in marked contrast to declines of 1.2% down year-on-year in the week’s trading to 26 November and 3.3% year-on-year in the week to 19 November.
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While the 10.5% year-on-year increase in John Lewis’ latest sales figures looks encouraging, this of course masks the fact that sales a year ago were being held significantly back by the heavy snow that occurred. This makes it hard to really judge the strength or other wise of the latest figures.
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Given all of the other storms facing retailers as the crucial Christmas spending period build up, they must at least be thankful that they are not facing snowstorms and be praying that this remains the case. I have enough problems forecasting economics so I am not going to attempt to forecast the weather!
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There is no doubt that retailers are facing a very challenging Christmas sales period, and are having their work cut out to get pressurized and worried consumers to part with their cash. Consumer confidence remained mired near record low levels in November, with purchasing power remains under severe pressure from high inflation, muted wage growth and tight fiscal policy. Meanwhile, unemployment is now rising markedly and the jobs outlook is looking increasingly worrisome.
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prepare for the bliizard
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(airborne cigar..yep first come first served..you just clean the plate and cook away…usually they are pretty clean etc)
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a few retailers up this morning
Supergroup PLC (SGP:LSE): Last: 479.00, up 18.4 (+3.99%), High: 484.10, Low: 447.10, Volume: 182.62k
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(anthrax..real aussie blokes dont worry about bacteria…msot of the sausages are burnt black anyway)
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(senior muppet..not like the indooor street markets you have everywhere in australia and in asia)
A term of endearment used to describe BB share promoters on FT Alphaville.
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right the next person to mention BBQs
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a few more things to look at
De La Rue PLC (DLAR:LSE): Last: 894.50, down 13.5 (-1.49%), High: 920.00, Low: 893.50, Volume: 157.39k
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are they a hedge against the break down of the euro
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it’s one time French suitor can bid again
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now they failed last time
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because they didn’t have enough ammo
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and in spite of being told
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that the sale of their card business was going badly
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by a

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who clearly thought it was OK to mislead me
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we get this news today
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Nanterre, December 1st, 2011 – Advent International, the global private equity firm and the François-Charles Oberthur Fiduciaire Group, today announced the completion of the acquisition of the Card Systems and Identity divisions of Oberthur, following workers’ council consultation and the approval of the transaction by relevant market authorities.
Advent International, along with the company’s management, now controls 90% of Oberthur Technologies’ capital. Jean-Pierre Savare, founder of the Oberthur group and his family retain a 10% stake in the capital. The transaction is valued at 1.15 billion Euros.
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Oberthur Technologies is specialised in digital security based on smart card technology. It is the world’s second largest provider of security and identification solutions and services, operating in the mobile and payment industries as well as government and corporate markets.
The group posted sales of 814.5 million Euros for the fiscal year 2010.
“We are delighted to be part of the continuing development of this leading French industrial company, the world number two in smart card technologies, created by Jean-Pierre Savare nearly 25 years ago,” said Pascal Stefani, Head of Advent International in France. “Thanks to our international presence and our deep experience in the banking and telecommunications industries, in which we have been investing for over 20 years, we are well positioned to actively support the management in its growth plan for the business, including through acquisitions.”
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if Oberthur will come back
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and why you’d make this announcement on the day
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because surely it will drive up the price
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did they get a new ceo as well? oberthur i mean
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the former boss of De La Rue
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there’s plenty of unfinished business here
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Advent International hopes to help grow Oberthur Technologies through potential external acquisitions which may further enhance the technological development and complement existing know-how.
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they want to help on other deals
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Oberthur Technologies’ Board of Directors, named Xavier Drilhon, Chief Executive Officer of the company, as of December 1st, 2011.
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call me a conspiracy theorist
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the statement details all the advisers
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you are a conspiracy theorist Neil
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Advent International was advised by:
* M&A: HSBC (Gilles Collombin, Pierre-Emmanuel Houillier)
* Corporate: Weil Gotschal & Manges (Jean Beauchataud, Romy Richter)
* Financing: Marlborough Partners (Romain Cattet, David Parker), Shearman & Sterling (Peter Hayes)
* Finance: KPMG (Florent Steck)
* Strategic: Bain & Co (Jérôme Brunet, Grégory Garnier)
* Legal, social, Tax: TAJ (Ariane Chateaux, Olivier Venzal)
* Insurance: Marsh (Humbert d’Autichamps)
* Environment: ERM (Julien Famy)
The Oberthur group was advised by:
* M&A: Rothschild (Cyrille Harfouche, Guillaume Vigneras)
* Corporate: White & Case (Hughes Mathez, Natalie Negre-Evillard)
* Finance: E&Y (Gilles Marchadier, Anne Fabre)
* Legal, social, Tax: Landwell (Remi Montredon, Cecile Debin)
The management was advised by:
* Finance: Callisto (Hervé Couffin, Charles de Rozières)
* Legal: Mayer Brown (Xavier Jaspar, Alexandre Dejardin)
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Perhaps we should call Cyrille
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and find out what’s happening
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it is quite a line up..unusuall to name all the people individually
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not many non-french names there also
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the muppets love this one
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heavy oil in the north sea
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is that the oil won’t becoming to shore
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as soon as we all thought
Xcite Energy Ltd (XEL:LSE): Last: 87.75, down 24.25 (-21.65%), High: 105.74, Low: 86.25, Volume: 11.05m
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is excite energy one of those products you buy in small jars from those shops that covered from the outside
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they have been funding themselves
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with one of these equity credit lines
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in a worse case scenario
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turn into a death spiral
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they are looking for funding
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The Company continues to make good progress with respect to securing additional sources of funding, including project finance from commercial lending banks.
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another great financial innovation from the financial sector – equity credit lines that lead to death spirals
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or can do i should say
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is not really going to plan
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and how often is this the case
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with small cap exploration companies
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finding stuff is one thing
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getting it out the ground
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sell on the first big find
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is usually the best advice
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although Carin does stand out
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as the exception that proves the rule
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here’s Oriel Securities
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Xcite announced this morning that it has reconfigured the Bentley field development plan
to include Phases 1A, 1B and 2.
Phase 1A is expected to comprise of a first motherbore well and a minimum of two
multilateral production wells. Crude will be produced and transferred to a shuttle tanker
where it will be mixed with a diluent which should allow blending and marketing tests to
be completed.
Phase 1B is expected to comprise of a wellhead tower with four additional wells which
will be produced via an FPSO for c.3 years. Phase 1B is expected to commence in late
2013 and should recover c.25-35mmb from the 5 wells.
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Phase 2 is essentially unchanged with plans for a permanent production platform
comprising full processing, drilling and accommodation facilities.
The revised development is in the final stages of DECC approval and if this is obtained
the Company notes that financial resources for Phase 1A are available (Xcite has
contracted and pre-paid for the Rowan Norway for 240 days).
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Overall we don’t expect to see significant changes to our unrisked NAV following this
update (based on our initial analysis this will drop to 348p/sh from 372p/sh), but see that
the timing and costs of Phase 1B are difficult to forecast given the tight FPSO market and
are moving this into our appraisal NAV with a 75% risking (consistent with our approach
in other E&P companies). Given the potential uncertainties on Phase 1B we are also
increasing our risking on Phase 2. Overall our risked NAV is likely to drop to c.200p/sh
(vs 317p/sh previously).
Pending further analysis we are placing our recommendation Under Review, but note
that the shares are likely to be volatile given the first phase of commercial production has
been pushed back into 2013/2014.
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i should be moving back to the main news desk..but i have a couple of things to add if you like
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one a very good piece of strategy from Morgan Stanley
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comparing Germany to Abu Doshi
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•The European situation has been compared to many economic events and crises, but a comparison with the UAE surely seems far-fetched…or does it?
• Both regions are currency unions with core countries (Germany, Abu Dhabi) running current account surpluses and peripheral economies (Greece et al, Dubai) running current account deficits.
• Without a nominal exchange rate to correct this imbalance, goods and asset prices have been forced to respond. What’s more, with core economies unwilling or unable to inflate, the periphery has been forced to bear the brunt of the adjustment and deflate.
• Clearly, the euro area is not unique. The core-periphery divide in the euro area is due to the resolution of imbalances rather than just policy errors. If the experience of the UAE is anything to go by, this unwind will continue even after a solution to the policy problems has been sorted out.
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kind of made me take a sharp breath intake as well..but we like people who think/write out of the box
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and i thought this report on reuters will concern a lot of readers and our colleague izy
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Reuters) – Armed with snow canons and cut-price hotel deals some of Switzerland’s ski resorts, already beleaguered by the strong Swiss franc, are grappling with another obstacle — no snow.
A dry November has forced several ski resorts to push back the start of the season, the latest in a string of bad news for hoteliers who have struggled to fill beds as the soaring Swiss franc deters foreign holidaymakers.
Not to be disheartened, Davos-Klosters nestled in eastern Switzerland employed no less than 250 snow canons to get pistes ready for the season start — a week later than scheduled.
Some 3,000 winter sport enthusiasts trekked to the resort lying 1,560 meters (yards) above sea level last weekend to slide down the 6 km (3.728 miles) of pistes made from artificial snow, long white stretches on an otherwise brown and green landscape.
Despite the delayed start, Yves Bugmann, finance director of Davos-Klosters mountain railway, remained unperturbed for now.
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“Financially, the losses so far are marginal and can be recouped through cost cuts,” he said. “Even so, a good start is the basis for a successful season.”
Tourism, which contributes some 5 percent to Swiss gross domestic product, has come under pressure due to the strong Swiss franc that rose by more than 20 percent against the euro earlier this year and flirted with parity in August — the height of the summer season.
Although the Swiss National Bank set a cap of 1.20 francs to the euro on September 6, many hoteliers still regard the currency as overvalued and say the tourist sector needs a good winter to stave off job cuts.
Veronique Kanel, spokeswoman for the Swiss tourism organization, said there was no cause for alarm yet.
“However, should this situation last until mid-December, the lack of snow coupled with the strong Swiss franc would be extremely worrying,” she said.
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thanks for joining us rabble
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and make sure to tune in tomorrow
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many thanks for having me
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that might be a bad idea
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because we have a staffing crunch looking
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i am on my usual friday child care
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and byrce is still ill..we will see if he recovers