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US Markets Live transcript 26 Aug 2011

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 15:11 on 26 Aug 2011. Participants in this chat were: Cardiff Garcia John McDermott Joseph Cotterill, FT Telis Demos Izabella Kaminska Stacy-Marie Ishmael, FT

CG
Hello!
CG
Big day everyone
CG
John just getting Telis Demos sorted; we’re being joined by someone from FT proper today
CG
while we wait…
CG
start placing your bets on what we’re going to hear today
CG
or not hear
CG
@burnt… really really doubt it
CG
paver, your friend down the street through us for a loop yesterday
CG
and as we wait, UMich came out nasty today and GDP revised down to 1% for Q2
CG
RTRS-BERNANKE – FED TO MEET FOR TWO DAYS INSTEAD OF ONE IN SEPTEMBER TO CONSIDER TOOLS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MONETARY STIMULUS, OTHER ISSUES
JM
Hey guys
CG
McDizzy in the hizzy
JM
Just sorting tech out and trying to speak to sino-forest
CG
help us start crowdsourcing this thing
CG
In addition to refining our forward guidance, the Federal Reserve has a range of tools that could be used to provide additional monetary stimulus. We discussed the relative merits and costs of such tools at our August meeting. We will continue to consider those and other pertinent issues, including of course economic and financial developments, at our meeting in September, which has been scheduled for two days (the 20th and the 21st) instead of one to allow a fuller discussion. The Committee will continue to assess the economic outlook in light of incoming information and is prepared to employ its tools as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery in a context of price stability.
JC
Hi there
CG
“fiscal” appears 21 times in this speech
CG
SF, yes
JC
Mind if I point out that Fedwire, AKA Jon Hilsenrath, got it right again?
JM
Not at all, Joseph.
JC
AUGUST 25, 2011, 6:40 PM ET
Bernanke: A Chance to Talk Fiscal Policy?
CG
Shorter version: WTF legislative branch?
JC
Fiscal policy is clearly on Mr. Bernanke’s mind. With the whole world listening to him in Jackson Hole, it could be an opportunity for the Fed chairman to turn attention back to Congress and the White House to sort out a very messy fiscal picture….
JC
Flash forward to J-Hole…
JM
Okay… can we post some excerpts
JC
Although the issue of fiscal sustainability must urgently be addressed, fiscal policymakers should not, as a consequence, disregard the fragility of the current economic recovery
JM
And use our award-winning powers of analysis
JC
Mind-meld!
JC
(That’s all from me for now)
CG
Although the issue of fiscal sustainability must urgently be addressed, fiscal policymakers should not, as a consequence, disregard the fragility of the current economic recovery. Fortunately, the two goals of achieving fiscal sustainability–which is the result of responsible policies set in place for the longer term–and avoiding the creation of fiscal headwinds for the current recovery are not incompatible. Acting now to put in place a credible plan for reducing future deficits over the longer term, while being attentive to the implications of fiscal choices for the recovery in the near term, can help serve both objectives.

Fiscal policymakers can also promote stronger economic performance through the design of tax policies and spending programs. To the fullest extent possible, our nation’s tax and spending policies should increase incentives to work and to save, encourage investments in the skills of our workforce, stimulate private capital formation, promote research and development, and provide necessary public infrastructure. We cannot expect our economy to grow its way out of our fiscal imbalances, but a more productive economy will ease the tradeoffs that we face.

Finally, and perhaps most challenging, the country would be well served by a better process for making fiscal decisions. The negotiations that took place over the summer disrupted financial markets and probably the economy as well, and similar events in the future could, over time, seriously jeopardize the willingness of investors around the world to hold U.S. financial assets or to make direct investments in job-creating U.S. businesses. Although details would have to be negotiated, fiscal policymakers could consider developing a more effective process that sets clear and transparent budget goals, together with budget mechanisms to establish the credibility of those goals. Of course, formal budget goals and mechanisms do not replace the need for fiscal policymakers to make the difficult choices that are needed to put the country’s fiscal house in order, which means that public understanding of and support for the goals of fiscal policy are crucial.

CG
these seem like the three key pars
CG
will emphasize: “We cannot expect our economy to grow its way out of our fiscal imbalances, but a more productive economy will ease the tradeoffs that we face.”
CG
Fitz, that seems like a reasonable way of looking at it
CG
interesting that he spends so much space on process as well
CG
SF: Trillion. Dollar. Coin.
JM
(Sorry Cardiff)
JM
(Bloody Sino banter)
CG
no worries
CG
looking forward to hearing what’s happening
CG
for now, it seems
CG
dominant theme of the speech
CG
or dominant takeaway for me is his critique of government
CG
not seeing much in the way of guidance on next steps, but
CG
that was what i thought last year right after it came out, and i was wrong
JM
There are seven heads on my CNBC screen
CG
but this lack of new info was expected
CG
hit the one in the middle
TD
what was at least expected was a bit more colour on the 2013 decision, no?
CG
Telis!
CG
ladies and gentlemen
CG
say hello to The Business
CG
as we cal him
CG
Telis Demos, crack US markets reporter
JM
As opposed to us craic market reporters
CG
indeed
CG
so Telis, your immediate react?
CG
OH in our IM chat
CG
Of course, the United States faces many growth challenges. Our population is aging, like those of many other advanced economies, and our society will have to adapt over time to an older workforce. But all of these long-term issues were well known before the crisis; efforts to address these problems have been ongoing, and these efforts will continue and, I hope, intensify.

INTENSIFY!!!
He’s going to ask everyone to have babies!

CG
well, we’d all be happier then, at least temporarily
JM
in France you get medals for that
JM
in the US you get agency MBS
CG
Capital A, yes, well played
JM
So can someone please boil this down for me
JM
What is Ben saying?
CG
boiled down
JM
1. Congress get your act together
JM
@Alpha — careful
CG
that’s pretty much it, i think. no need for 2.
JM
2. There will be no QE3
JM
(At least not in 2011)
TD
3. nothing to see here, folks
JM
4. Really, there’s nothing. Go away. Talk to the other guy.
CG
Goladaman and Rabble, we love you, but please be careful with the f-bombs, even the **** kind (yes, i’m guilty as well)
IK
Hello guys
JM
From Praxis
IK
I’ve read the whole thing!
JM
Telis Demos is quite good, read him in the back of of companies & Markets
JM
Yes, he is.
JM
He’s The Business.
JM
Speaking of the business.. Izzy!
CG
think it’s premature on “no QE3″ calls, though yeah, that’s still most likely
CG
Izzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
IK
hello hello
JM
I’m sure the rabble is super excited
IK
Like JM said
CG
her IQ makes Marylin vos Savant look like Forrest Gump
JM
To hear your thoughts
IK
1) No QE
IK
2) But we leave it in our toolkit (just in case)
IK
3) Two-day meeting to discuss our other weapons..
IK
4) But essentially the debt debacle farce did a lot of damage
TD
(by the way, we’ve rallied back to 1,150;. 10y back to 2.15%)
IK
and most importantly
IK
He’s hinting the solution lies on the fiscal side
IK
I.e. get your act together. And appreciate that we need more short-term debt to get out of this crisis
IK
And it will be fine, because we’ll make firm plans to cut the debt once we are out of this growth trap
CG
other market reax, Telis? USD doing anything?
JM
Does it also hark back to his Depression theories?
TD
he’s nodding to the political dimension of Fed policy, you think?
IK
Also interestingly, he mentioned the demographic problem
JM
Telis — he’s headbutting to the political dimension of Fed policy
TD
the Vix (if you care about such things) is back to 40
IK
Point is solution lies on fiscal side. We need more debt, and it’s ok, providing the debt we take out is allocated intelligently into our “youth”
IK
Market won’t like it because they’ve been conditioned to think QE is good
IK
@alpha stanley – i reckon!
CG
(of course we care about such things, though izzy’s got some vix beef)
JM
And by “market” here to do we mean across all asset classes?
IK
I mean – unless i missed it before
IK
This is first time he’s coupled the financial crisis with demographics
IK
Here’s the key par
IK
Of course, the United States faces many growth challenges. Our population is aging, like those of many other advanced economies, and our society will have to adapt over time to an older workforce. Our K-12 educational system, despite considerable strengths, poorly serves a substantial portion of our population. The costs of health care in the United States are the highest in the world, without fully commensurate results in terms of health outcomes. But all of these long-term issues were well known before the crisis; efforts to address these problems have been ongoing, and these efforts will continue and, I hope, intensify.
IK
INTENSIFY
JM
Izz
JM
There’s another way to read the babies thing
IK
@chris – quite right!
CG
actually quite glad to see Bernanke mention demographics
JM
Immigration
IK
There was a lot of talk about utilisation
IK
I mean i think the tone has changed really dramatically
IK
I mean this is acknowledgement of critical structural issues
IK
Which until now all these guys have been pretending don’t exist when it comes to public remarks
JM
“all these guys” = ?
IK
Praxis – quite right. This is the George Magnus Bernanke talking
IK
JM – you know. Whenever you ask Treasury or Fed about things like medicare etc.. they sidestep the question
JM
Hmm.
IK
don’t you agree?
TD
Back from the Bloomberg. nothing to see there, either.
CG
i do, mostly, izzie
CG
in that
JM
I think it’s a question of emphasis.
JM
Most politicians like to try to appear visionary and long-term.
CG
bernanke has often punted on fiscal policy because of independence “optical” reasons
JM
Their speeches include references to the long-term.
CG
but less and less in the last couple of years
JM
See Obama’s SOTU.
IK
anyway you’ve got to interpret the whole speech
JM
Which had a decent amount on the supply side failings.
IK
From the point of view that he wants fiscal action
JM
BUT
CG
think he’s fed up (no pun intended)
IK
Once you understand that
JM
All the action is centered on the short-term.
IK
then you appreciate a par like this
IK
This economic healing will take a while, and there may be setbacks along the way. Moreover, we will need to remain alert to risks to the recovery, including financial risks. However, with one possible exception on which I will elaborate in a moment, the healing process should not leave major scars. Notwithstanding the trauma of the crisis and the recession, the U.S. economy remains the largest in the world, with a highly diverse mix of industries and a degree of international competitiveness that, if anything, has improved in recent years. Our economy retains its traditional advantages of a strong market orientation, a robust entrepreneurial culture, and flexible capital and labor markets. And our country remains a technological leader, with many of the world’s leading research universities and the highest spending on research and development of any nation.
JM
It’s the political equivalent of maturity transformation.
IK
i.e.
TD
Forward 5y5y BE unchanged; euribor-OIS and libor-OIS ticked up slightly
IK
if we don’t get more fiscal stimulus we will have major scars
IK
OUr economy is all this this and this. But it won’t be if we don’t get more fiscal stimulus
IK
You’ve got to read it inside out. It’s passive warning
IK
like me saying to JM
IK
You’re wonderful, smart, witty etc
IK
But there is one exception
JM
Thanks. Emoticon
JM
Uh-oh
IK
that might ruin that
JM
My hair?
IK
and that’s if you don’t prepare for hurricane irene properly
CG
by the way, none of this will matter in a couple of days, because Irene will carry us all into the ocean
IK
Of course preparing for irene involves spending a lot of doh right now (which you might not have)
IK
On batteries, supplies and water
IK
But if you don’t
CG
RTRS-FEMA DIRECTOR WARNS OF POWER OUTAGES FOR SAYS, FLASH FLOODING AND STRONG WINDS INLAND FROM STORM
[10:29:47 AM] Joseph Cotterill: RTRS-CONOCOPHILLIPS SAYS IS TAKING BAD WEATHER PRECAUTIONS AT NEW JERSEY, PENNSYLVANIA REFINERIES DUE HURRICANE IRENE
IK
You might just not remain smart, witty etc.. Cause you’ll be dead
CG
from Telis, pulling it over: “DX NA Investment Grade is now at 129bp (+3.3), ticking just modestly wider following the statement. The CDX NA High Yield is now at 90.62 (-1.2)”
TD
that should be “CDX NA…”, by the way
CG
so mostly muted reaction from IGs
TD
my question is, why couldn’t he have given this speech last year?
JM
are you going to answer your question because i don’t know
TD
doesn’t seem like the reward-risk for QE is much different
JM
(phew)
CG
didn’t have the experience of QE2, to point out the obvious. perhaps less faith now than then in ability of mon policy to fundamentary affect thigns? also…
IK
There was a point made by ROTR
CG
possibly less cynical then about
IK
That the speech is eerily similar to El-Erian;s FT op-ed
IK
Yet again…
CG
extent of dysfunction in congress
IK
@TD
IK
Last year QE2 bluff actually had a chance of working
TD
so monetary policy is trial and error.
CG
all policy is trial and error, TD
IK
I think that’s exactly it
IK
We tried QE
IK
Didn’t work
IK
It’s still a good tool in the event that liquidity seizes up
IK
Like it did in 2008
IK
But won’t work until there is actual seizure
IK
Currently no seizure cause there’s plenty of dollar liquidity
IK
So QE back in its box
CG
Fitz, yes, though my thinking all along is that politicos tied their own hands with the recent debt ceiling deal
IK
@Chris – I think Pimco has some severely aligned interests with the people you refer to!
CG
have self-imposed constraints
IK
But the market is stupid to construe this as a bad statement. He’s saying they are looking at exciting new tools! So come September, we should discover something super cool
CG
guys, i’m starting to worry
CG
hurricane headline risk
IK
why?
CG
JM, you nervous?
JM
I’m always nervous
CG
everything so eerily calm
IK
JM and CG
IK
Please stay safe
CG
this is how the movie always starts
IK
And Telis!
JM
Product of being brought up on the mean streets of suburban edinburgh
CG
btw
JM
Shall we pivot to Irene
JM
Come on, Irene
IK
Anyway, i got to go. But will see you all Tuesday (unless world ends, in which case will check in on Monday)
JM
Irene, Irene, Irene, Irene
JM
I’m begging of you please don’t take my man
IK
Come on Irene
CG
what bloody sense does it make for new york city to both announce and evac and simultaneously say it’s going to shut down public transport
JM
Wait.
JM
Let’s all remind ourselves…
JM
Latest forecast
JM
AccuWeather (first time for them on ML)
JM
The AccuWeather.com Hurricane Center is confident that Irene will strike the Outer Banks of North Carolina on Saturday as a strong Category 3.
JM
Beyond that point, Irene will track extremely close to or over the mid-Atlantic coast and New York City before plowing into western New England. This could mean the worst effects from a hurricane in the region in 50 years.
CG
Hurricane namers have a weird sense of humour: “Irene is a name derived from the Greek word εἰρήνη (eiréné) meaning “peace”.”
JM
(Are they the sell-siders of the weather world?)
CG
(bye Izzy)
JM
So, apols for stating the obvious — this is a real worry.
CG
yes it is
CG
unlike the earthquake, serious business
JM
And it’s obv worth paying close attention to the science and to the evac plans.
JM
Now, what’s been put in place in NYC?
JM
This webpage is not available
The connection to www.nyc.gov was interrupted.
JM
Hmm. Annoying.
JM
But this is a big deal
JM
The city is planning to shut down the entire transportation system on Saturday in anticipation of Hurricane Irene’s arrival, officials revealed Thursday.
JM
(New York Daily News)
JM
A mandatory evacuation of all nursing homes in flood-prone areas of the city was also ordered Thursday.
JM
“The storm is predicted to be very dangerous,
JM
Mayor Bloomberg
CG
weekend flights cancelled, btw
JM
The only Terminal to ever be elected to high office
JM
And here is the latest from Cuomo, NY gov
JM
* Gov. Cuomo declared a state of emergency to free up resources and take advantage of federal assistance.

* The MTA took the unprecedented move of setting its hurricane plan in motion, which calls for a complete shutdown of subways, trains and buses when sustained winds reach at least 39 mph.

* The mayor ordered the mandatory evacuation of nursing homes, care facilities for the elderly and hospitals in low-lying areas by 8 p.m. Friday.

* The MTA warned bridges could be closed for safety reasons due to high winds.

* More than 300 street fairs and other city permitted events scheduled for this weekend were cancelled.

JM
So, please stay safe rabble.
JM
@commander — Nov 11th
CG
yes, those of you in the area
JM
Now, economic impact…
JM
RTRS-FREDDIE MAC WILL DELAY ANNOUNCEMENT OF WEEKLY REFERENCE BILLS AUCTION DUE TO HURRICANE IRENE
TD
unfortunately I have to return to newspapering. this is much more fun. I will be less terrified next time!…. if there is one.
JM
The Business is closing
JM
Bye TD
CG
okay chief, well done
JM
Nyse said it would still open
JM
on Monday
CG
thanks for crossing the Great Divide
JM
Just got comment from Sino-Forest spokes
JM
No comment for now. Will keep you posted.
JM
Great.
JM
Back to Irene for a sec
JM
Obv some worried about fiscal impact
JM
And the impact on shopping
JM
Citi had a note on yesterday on how it could affect retail sales
JM
Our Take – The East coast is expected to experience volatile weather conditions over the next six days, owing to current predictions for the path of Hurricane Irene. The latest projections assume Hurricane Irene will skirt Cape Hatteras, NC on Saturday morning, and travel northward along the East Coast up to Maine and Nova Scotia. We believe that the home improvement retailers, discounters, clubs, and supermarkets will benefit from consumers stocking up ahead of the storm, particularly in the coastal areas of North and South Carolina, in August Week 4. However, we believe the hurricane will have a negative impact on retail sales this Saturday (end of August Week 4) and Sunday (beginning of September Week 1), as the Eastern states experience
heavy rainfall, temperamental winds, and tidal surges (along coastal regions)
JM
I think I could be a retail analyst
JM
Possible disaster = more spam, more duct tape, more scotch, more cigs
CG
bad for everything else. where’s my paycheck?
JM
= less things you do not need when there is not an emergency
JM
@A Reader — i know
JM
Ok. Cardiff
CG
a record of sorts
CG
shall we pivot
CG
?
JM
We’ve got 10-15 mins left
JM
What should we do
JM
Sino?
JM
BofA?
CG
absolutely
CG
big news this morning
CG
shares ordered halted, management ordered to be fired. you’ve been on this from day 1. what’s happening?
CG
@mutant, we won’t leave without some talk of BAC, promise
JM
The Canadian regulators have taught the SEC a lesson
JM
Who’d have thought it
JM
Here are the key bits
JM
From the statement
JM
Sino-Forest, through its subsidiaries, appears to have engaged in significant non-arm’s length transactions which may have been contrary to Ontario securities laws and the public interest;

Sino-Forest and certain of its officers and directors appear to have misrepresented some of its revenue and/or exaggerated some of its timber holdings by providing information to the public in documents required to be filed or furnished under Ontario securities laws which may have been false or misleading in a material respect contrary to section 122 or 126.2 of the Act and contrary to the public interest;

Sino-Forest and certain of its officers and directors including Chan appear to be engaging or participating in acts, practices or a course of conduct related to its securities which it and/or they know or reasonably ought to know perpetuate a fraud on any person or company contrary to section 126.1 of the Act and contrary to the public interest;

JM
And here’s the kicker
JM
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, pursuant to clause 2 of section 127(1) of the Act that all trading in the securities of Sino-Forest shall cease;

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that pursuant to clauses 7 and 8 of section 127(1) of the Act that Chan, Ip, Hung, Ho and Yeung resign any and all positions that they hold as a director or officer of Sino-Forest or any other registrant and that they are prohibited from becoming or acting as director or officer of an issuer;

JM
Quick points
JM
1. No mention of Muddy Waters, what of them?
JM
2. (Cough) No mention of Simon Murray, any read-across?
JM
3. What will happen to the bonds now — lots of worries about cash issues.
SMI
(for context r.e. 1. Sino had referred MW to the regulators for being evil book-talking short sellers)
JM
4. Will there be any civil or criminal charges to follow?
JM
5. Is it over for the independent report, OSC kind of blew it out the water.
JM
So far…
JM
No comment from sino
JM
As you can see from the above
SMI
(and re 2, Simon Murray’s a Sino director and listed on their management page – Simon Murray, CBE
Hong Kong

Director since 1999; Chairman, GEMS (General Enterprise Management Services (International) Limited); thirty-five years in Asia; previously Executive Chairman, Asia Pacific, Deutsche Bank Group, Independent non-executive director of a number of listed companies in HKG including Cheung Kong (Holdings) Ltd., Orient Overseas (Int’l) Ltd., Wing Tai Properties Ltd., and non-executive director of Greenheart Group Ltd.)

JM
No comment from OSC either
JM
_______
JM
Right
JM
I love the sino story
JM
But I sense the rabble is more Buffett than birchwood
JM
So let’s pivot, again
CG
okay
JM
@A Reader — perhaps, but there is a draft
CG
SMI, still around?
SMI
Deutsche comment lined up at will
SMI
Bank of America {Ticker: BAC.N, Closing Price: 7.49 USD, Target Price: 14.00 USD, Recommendation: Hold}

Berkshire’s investment in BAC reduces concerns over BAC’s liquidity/funding/confidence and capital to a lesser extent. These actions should also reduce some of the overhang for the group overall—as bank stocks have likely suffered from concerns surrounding a bank as big and as important as BAC. However, these actions don’t necessarily address the longer-term capital uncertainty at BAC, and underlying EPS power may prove to be much less than many expect.

Deal is costly and additional capital actions still a possibility

Since the preferreds are cumulative, starting in 2013, they will not count as Tier 1 capital (under the Collins amendment). This implies BAC will likely call the preferreds by the end of 2012—implying a cost of about 13% unannualized for just 16 months (plus the cost related to the warrants). It’s unclear whether these actions will address long-term capital concerns or merely act as a bridge to hopefully better macro times and a higher stock price (at which to issue common). And of course the cost of the warrants could also prove to be meaningful.

JM
So, BofA
JM
7.57 -0.08 (-1.05%)
SMI
Focusing on BAC’s EPS power

In a scenario of 0-1% GDP growth for the next 2 years, we estimate 2012 EPS of about $0.50 and 2013 of slightly less than $1.00. However, the $1.00 doesn’t assume any additional capital actions, no further business sales (we est. last week’s card actions reduces pre-provision earnings by $1.75b for example) and no longer-term negative impact to NIM from a likely recent rise in BAC’s funding costs. This implies that even the $1.00 of earnings power may be optimistic in this macro scenario.

Note that we estimate NIM could decline 20bps in 3Q/4Q11 vs. 2Q11 levels from BAC likely further boosting its asset liquidity and potentially terming out some borrowings/higher funding costs. That said, these could prove temporary and therefore we don’t include in our 2012/2013 downside estimates noted above.

JM
The Buffett bounce is over, 10% should do it
JM
Where shall we start?
JM
I have notes from Citi and DB this morning
CG
hadn’t realized about the expected cost of calling the preferred’s at the end of next year
JM
Actually, yes
JM
Let’s start from the top
JM
Mayo had a note yday
JM
Explaining the accounting
JM
Berkshire’s $5bn investment will show up on BAC’s 3Q11-end balance sheet as a $3bn increase in preferred equity and $2bn in common equity, reflecting the accounting rules for preferreds and warrants. Over time, the $2bn in common equity accretes into the preferred line item. If and when Berkshire exercises the warrants, any residual amount of the original investment that is still listed as common will be converted into preferred, and the value of the exercised warrants (700m @ $7.15 exercise price = $5bn) will be classified as common equity.
JM
He wasn’t too pleased about the deal
JM
Citi note
JM
Details
JM
Details – Berkshire will invest $5 bil in BAC, purchasing $5 bil of 6% preferred stock plus 10-year warrants for 700 mil shares at a $7.14 strike price. The fair value of the warrants (estimated $2 billion) is immediately additive to GAAP common equity and Basel 1 Tier 1 common, though is ineligible under Basel 3 Tier 1 common. 2Q11 TBV of $12.65 (ex 3Q earnings/div impact) goes up ~$0.20 near term, assuming no warrant exercise, or down $0.35 assuming immediate warrants exercise (3% dilution to TBV)
JM
And then retreats to usual confidence line
JM
Transaction Helps Confidence – Overall we see BAC’s deal with Berkshire as primarily motivated by mgmt’s need to bolster investor confidence and calm fixed income markets, with BAC trading-off modest dilution (under 5%) for the Buffett “seal of approval”. While the move boosts capital, we don’t see this as the main motivation given the relatively small $5 bil size and minimal benefit (warrants do not count for Basel 3 Tier 1 common unless converted, and then only add ~30 bps). Given the large 40% discount BAC trades
to tangible book value, the market is concerned about much more than $5 billion so this transaction fundamentally does little to resolve the market concerns (vs say getting some finality on AG settlement, private label exposure), which means the stock may remain volatile in the near term. But given the 9% increase in the stock today, in our view it
shows how oversold the stock is and in our view may reduce the fear factor a bit. So even though we are disappointed that BAC is giving up modest dilution from this transaction when we believe its capital position is adequate, given where the stock is trading we believe this represents a decent tradeoff for mgmt to make at this time.
JM
The warrants are interesting though
JM
For their size — 700m
JM
How close to in the money they were
JM
And their length
JM
10 years
JM
(I *think* the GS warrants were 5 yrs?)
CG
(for the record, Bank of America declined to comment on how they arrived at these terms. we did ask”
CG
yes on GS
CG
GS terms on preferred’s were worse, though, i think
SMI
(for anyone who missed it, this is the link to the BAC 8K detailing the deal – http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/70858/000119312511232422/d8k.htm)
CG
10%
CG
thought it was interesting that BAC also ruled out further cap raising via public
JM
Yes.
JM
And that WB had agreed to cap his stake at just shy of 15%
CG
said they wouldn’t have gone to the public markets with these terms — gave them to buffett in exchange for name is the only logical assumption
CG
yep
JM
Sure
JM
He’s Wall St’s pawnbroker
JM
______________
JM
The CHF stuff is interesting
JM
But it’s time to go
JM
Dunkin Donuts has arrived
CG
yep, gotta go
CG
Londoners, enjoy your long weekend
JM
NEW YORKERS — STAY SAFE
JM
Anyone need shelter, send me an email
JM
I’ll be bunkering down on Sunday
CG
we’ll make the Long Room an actual physical thing
JM
With corned beef, a few beers and the Edinburgh derby
CG
bring your sell-side notes and tin hats
CG
bye all!
JM
Briefly, will leave you with Nouriel
JM
Markets rallying after coming to realization that QE3 may arrive on 9/21 after 2 days discussing specific easing options post lousy ISM/NPF
SMI
à +
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