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Markets Live transcript 8 Aug 2011

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 19:35 on 8 Aug 2011. Participants in this chat were: John McDermott Joseph Cotterill, FT Paul Murphy Neil Hume, FT Johanna Kassel, FT

JM
Whoa!
JM
So much for the patriotic relief rally
JM
He’s firing up the Amstrad
JM
Neil is running home
JM
The fastest markets reporter in the UK
JC
Hello!
JM
And Joseph!
JC
I made it through the London riots for this!??!?
JM
“All hands on deck”
JC
OK
JM
Scores on the doors?
JC
Where are we with the indices first
JC
Then we better do banks I guess
JM
Dow Jones 10,892.87 -551.74 (-4.82%)
JM
S&P 500 1,126.64 -72.74 (-6.06%)
JM
(6%!)
PM
Hi there
JM
Nasdaq 2,377.31 -155.10 (-6.12%)
PM
666
PM
%
JM
666!
PM
Just got to wait for the dow to catch up properly
JC
Yeepers
JM
One hedgie was telling me on Sunday
JM
That they were expecting a “patriotic rally”
JM
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NH
hello
JM
Shall we break this down a little?
NH
just got home
PM
I think Barcap might have called this a little wrong
NH
what’s the damage
NH
oh I can see
JC
Hang on – is it me or did the sell-off go parabolic after the President spoke?
NH
jesus wept
JM
DJA dropped <11000
JM
When he came on TV
JC
Cos that ain’t very patriotic
NH
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JM
Well, Joseph, some would take a different view
JC
I’ve got some US banks CDS prices
JC
Hehe
JC
How about these US bank stocks then
JM
Let’s see ‘em
JM
I’ve got
JM
BofA – 18%
JM
(Bit of a delay perhaps)
JM
Citi – 17%
JM
Which suggests it’s not really about the AIG business
JM
(Cough, contrary to what I wrote earlier)
JC
What I really want to see now
JM
MS -12%
JC
Is BAC’s correlation to the ABX
JM
13%
PM
I think there’s this basic belated realisation that the AAA downgrade sets off a chain reaction. Lots of stuff now needs to be downgrade — all banks across europe etc
JM
actually
JC
and Citi’s
JC
(But not near a BBG sadly. Sorry!)
JM
Genworth – 21%
PM
I’ve got some Absoute Return partners stuff that can share when we’ve a moment
JM
Hehe
JM
That would be great Paul, let’s try and get some explaining going on
JC
Oh – US bank CDS if you want
JM
Yes please
JC
Aaargh, formatting, give me two secs
JM
Cool, well
JM
In the meantime
JM
Oil!
NH
had the same issue
NH
doesn’t copy well
JM
Brent down -4.35%
JC
Just transcribing now
JM
WTi – 5.64%
JM
Brent now -6%
JM
Fast moving
JM
And a half
JM
<$100 finish?
NH
wow
NH
seen the volumes today
NH
massive
JC
Yikes
NH
forget all that nonsense about low summer trading vols
NH
check this
NH
U.S. stocks extended losses in heavy volume on Monday, with the S&P 500 down more than 6 percent, in the first session since Standard & Poor’s cut the United States’ top-tier AAA credit rating. The Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> dropped 554.08 points, or 4.84 percent, to 10,890.53. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index <.SPX> fell 73.44 points, or 6.12 percent, to 1,125.94. The Nasdaq Composite Index <.IXIC> lost 155.96 points, or 6.16 percent, to 2,376.45. With more than an hour of trading left, more than 11.5 billion shares traded on the New York Stock Exchange, NYSE Amex and Nasdaq, above last year’s estimated daily average of 8.47 billion.
PM
(Praxis — a bit chilly)
JC
OK – bank CDS…
JC
These numbers are spreads for 8 August first and then 5 August
JC
BAC 310 – 205

C 220-162

GS 217 – 166

JPM 143 – 111

MS 260-199

WFC 143-111

JC
They’re from Otis Casey at Markit
JC
And they are scary. BAC 100bps!
JM
Are they day moves?
PM
So BAC will soon overtake Iraq as a credit risk
JM
Meanwhile, in the treasuries market
JM
Monday, August 08, 2011 2:27:36 PM RTRS – US 10-YEAR TREASURY NOTE YIELDS FALL TO 2.33 PCT, LOWEST SINCE FEBRUARY 2009 US10YT=RR US2YT=RR US5YT=RR
JM
U-S-A!
JM
U-S-A!
NH
approaching 500 points off
JM
U-S-A!
NH
for the Dow
NH
and I love that Obama quote
JC
Markit’s Lisa Pollack also has this great intraday chart of BAC
NH
Markets will rise and fall, but this is the United States of America. No matter what some agency may say, we have always been and always will be a triple-A country,” Obama said
NH
As Obama spoke, stock markets were registering another steep decline, dropping more than 450 points in afternoon trading.
NH
on BoA
NH
down 50% on the year
NH
is that right?
JM
Is that irony or is that too sad
JM
Correct Neil
JM
YTD
NH
crikey
JM
What’s your guess for 10 years?
NH
hmmm
NH
10 years
NH
Merrill deal
NH
complicates things
NH
not sure
NH
go on
JM
80%
NH
wow
PM
(Here’s the real reason why we should be stocking on guns and beans….)
JM
@SilverFox — lol
PM
(This guy’s runing for president….)
NH
OK
PM
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry )
NH
looks like Obama is not the only president speaking tonight
NH
Trichet too
NH
to German TV
JC
Don’t be so alarmist Paul. It’s gonna be President Michele Bachmann
NH
about his big bazooka
NH
that looks more like a pea shooter
NH
European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet defended the central bank’s decision to buy sovereign bonds in a German television interview on Monday. “We observed that our decisions in the euro zone did not have the intended effect,” Trichet said, according to a German translation of his comments broadcast on Germany’s ZDF network. “That is why we decided to deviate from our monetary policy rules,” Trichet added. There were no further comments from Trichet included in the ZDF broadcast.
NH
intended effect
NH
that’s one way of putting it
PM
Well he can buy some more tomorrow. They’ll be cheaper hopefully
NH
we reckon he did eur5bn today
JC
That’s Trichet at his most concise in weeks. Two sentences
NH
Joseph is that right?
JC
Yeah – so if you assume it’s half Italy and half Spain…
NH
so if they keep buying
NH
for a month
NH
that will only a fifth of both markets
JC
Buying 2.5bn of Spain every day from now on gets you to 20% of Spanish debt in well under two months
NH
ah
NH
that was it
JC
I think to get 20% of Italy you have to keep buying well after Christmas
JM
(evening outlaw)
NH
a wrecked balance sheet by Xmas
JC
Their bond market’s three times the size of Spain’s
NH
OK
NH
getting some BofA flashes
NH
RTRS-BANK OF AMERICA CORP SEES NO NEED TO RAISE CAPITAL TO RUN BUSINESSES — SPOKESMAN
JC
It’ll all be over Christmas, as they say in times of crisis in Europe
NH
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JM
JC, well played
NH
RTRS-BANK OF AMERICA BELIEVES HAS RIGHT STRATEGY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM IN PLACE — SPOKESMAN
JM
Pesto waking up to US meltdown
NH
still trading down 18% at $6.7
JM
Monday, August 08, 2011 2:44:45 PM RTRS – BANK OF AMERICA CORP BAC.N SEES NO NEED TO RAISE CAPITAL TO RUN BUSINESSES — SPOKESMANAIG.NBAC.N
NH
what’s Pesto saying?
JM
Rout in US banking shares: Bank of America down 20%, Citigroup 19% lower, Goldman down 9%, JP Morgan down 9%. Deja vu all over again.
JM
As William Safire said
JM
One should avoid cliches like the plague
NH
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JM
Ok
JM
Need I remind everyone that there is a FOMC tomorrow?
NH
so there is
NH
and
NH
will Ben ride to the rescue?
JM
hmmm
NH
Dow off 516 points now!
JM
most analysts saying we need to wait until Jackson Hole
JM
But
JM
1. The same analysts were saying there would be little action today
NH
but what can he do?
JM
2. The logic there seems little other than: they did that last year
PM
Johanna — do share
JM
(outlaw — going to get those record numbers for you)
NH
QE
JK
I’ve got some historical numbers back to 2008
NH
can’t see that helping
JK
Worst day for the S&P since 1.1.2008 was a 9.03 per cent decline
JM
Nope
NH
I have some fun FTSE facts
JM
“Soothing words”
NH
if you want them
JM
I read in a note this mornign
JM
!!!
JK
we are nearing the worst day since October 7, 2008 when it lost 5.74
JM
We always like fun facts
NH
Currently off 6%
NH
Today, the FTSE 100 fell by 178.04 points, a decrease of -3.4%, which wiped £46.3 billion off the Index.

This is the first time, in the history of the FTSE 100, that 4 consecutive falls of triple digits have been registered.

JM
Pub quiz gold right there
JM
66 mins to closing bell
JK
For the Dow, we are nearing worst since Feb 2009, worst day since 1.1.08 was 7.87
NH
The FTSE 250 has had 9 days of consecutive falls:
NH
The last time the FTSE 250 was as low was the 31st of August 2010, when it was at 9825.14 points.
JC
Wow. Read earlier that $3,500bn wiped off MSCI All-World since July 29.
JC
That’s Germany’s GDP.
NH
when we have a moment
JK
And the poor poor nasdaq
JK
worst day since October 2008
NH
I need to mention something on those awful, horrible Socgen/Unicredit stories
NH
can i go ahead?
JM
Take it away
NH
“Further to unfounded and unsubstantiated rumors in the UK’s Mail on Sunday on 7 August 2011, UniCredit categorically and unreservedly reject the allegations they would need any kind of bail out from anybody”
NH
and again
NH
Further to unfounded and unsubstantiated rumours in the UK’s Mail on
Sunday on 7 August 2011, UniCredit categorically and unreservedly
reject the allegations they would need any kind of bail out from
anybody.
NH
as you can see
NH
they aren’t very happy with this
NH
and the original story
NH
no longer appears on the mail website
NH
done on that
JM
silly silly
JM
overheard in the news room
JM
“citigroup is only down 15 and a half”
NH
only
JC
ONLY
JM
ONLY
JM
Genworth now only down 22%
JM
BofA now only down 19%
NH
you know
JM
On the upside
NH
there’s only one thing to buy now
NH
The Isle of Man
JM
Newmont is up 0.386%
JM
(only stock on the S&P)
NH
Yes, there are 18 countries and 7 corporates with AAA; and yes, we have been happy longs of high quality corps for 18 months, and still are, especially as a pair trade on CDS vs European sovereigns (long 5y CDS on WE Sov-Ex, short 5y CDS on corps). But the fact is that there are just not many assets out there.

Buy some Isle of Man if you like, rated AAA and yielding a juicy 4.4% on their 34s. The only problem is that there is just GBP185m outstanding. The same small issuance problem holds for the likes of J&J, ADP, Exxon, Imperial Oil, Luxembourg, Switzerland, etc., all of which are AAA.

NH
thats from RBS
NH
look at the Isle of Man
NH
AAA rated
JK
good thing I have been sleeping with all that gold under my mattress
NH
nice yield
JM
Does that mean they use the TT course as collateral?
NH
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NH
bit of a small market
NH
actually
NH
that comes from a really bleak note
NH
titled
NH
Adding to AAAs max longs. Sell EMU equity. End is nigh.
NH
(good one Mutant dog)
NH
want to see some more?
JC
Very neo-medieval that
JC
Buy city-states and corporations. Bring out yer dead
JM
I think I’ve discovered the source of the sell off btw
JC
Yes please Neil
NH
One last point: we have heard many discuss the next shoes to drop today: ‘soon there will be no sovereign AAAs’. A rum thing to say, and we suspect by people who have missed this event and are trying to extrapolate it too far. Yes, there are obvious targets here. We have been running France into Sweden, France into Norway, and France into UK trades for many months, all of which are making stunning P/L, and so you can see what we think about France’s downgrade prospects.

Fine. But to add anyone else in is fishy. Australia? it has 26% debt/GDP and had no financial institutions go bust in the crisis, which we should not forget as a marker for our tail risks if the banking system gets collapsed by the ECB balance sheet (via sovereign default). Australia is surely a paragon of financial virtue, and has high rates it could collapse if needed. Sweden? they also have sub 30% debt/GDP once its asset sales go through. Norway? it gets the fiscal gold medal, they have the world’s greatest cyclically adjusted primary budget surplus of +8.9%. Compare this to the world’s worst, Japan, at -6.7% (beating the USA, which is only -6.2%, only the 3rd worst in the world on that metric).

We are sure you have read a lot of notes by now. We also suspect that the vast majority of them are identical: Monday will see weaker global stocks, weaker bunds, stronger periphery FI, Gilts split between weak equities versus weak bunds, and UST opinions split. I agree with all of that, apart from the last two (on Gilts & USTs), where I am a buyer given the risk off trade is the one that counts.

NH
Why is the risk off trade dominant? look at the MIB, Italy’s stock market. On a sort of ‘ECB is buying BTPs => it is getting toward being fixed’ euphoria (incredible to write, but there we are), Italian stocks opened up and were +4.8% within an hour. But this reversed quickly, and they are now flat.

This is *the* indicator to watch. Just because the ECB is buying some BTPs fixes little. It means we have to be circumspect in selling BTPs, the ECB has limitless pockets and the market is running small inventory. So please be respectful of Harvinder’s lower yield BTP targets. But the market is telling you that it changes NOTHING on ANYTHING ELSE.

The MIB is asserting that even this socialisation of debts is not able to enable euphoria for more than an hour. Even the post summit euphoria (should that be EURphoria?) lasted longer than this (one trading day)! It is as if the market is starting to realise that action does not work, so each ECB hit leaves increasingly short-lived euphoria.

NH
Conclusion

1) Sell equities (eg, Germany, Italy), stay short France FI, buy bonds; long of Gilts, Scandis, AUD, and, yes, USTs. This is a duration world. Stay long (eg 10s).

2) Pair trades should continue to have France as the short (very telling they are now underperforming bunds), this will stay a healthy bet. Note that on a day when bunds are selling off and everything is rallying against bunds, France is the only EMU country with widening spreads to bunds today (10yr Netherlands -3bp, 10-yr Finland -2bp, 10-yr Austria -6bp, 10-yr France +3bp), it is now on the radar of investors, a theme we understood was started to build last week. We are happy to stay short.

3) Long BTPs for now if you wish, but this is a microcosm affected by official buying, do not let it put you off having/holding/adding to solid anti-risk portfolios.

4) Next stop this week is FOMC, BoE inflation report (dovish, ‘we stand ready to provide boost via QE5 if it were to become necessary’ type thing, that’s the UK we are discussing just to be clear). And then the glorious 12th, not just the start of Scottish grouse shooting, but the first proper August data, Michigan confidence, a number that has *plummeted* and was a harbinger of lower yields for July (RBS & consensus see no positive respite for this). I still think confidence data does not get the attention it should (last month’s plunge only elicited -5bp off 10s, the way the mkt is poised/frightened, imagine what multiple of that it would do if repeated).

NH
that’s it from RBS
NH
John
NH
what’s caused the sell off?
JM
Smurfs
NH
oh yes
JM
Dow down
NH
they opened the NYSE last week
JM
1300 points since they rang the bell
NH
what
NH
Smurfs
NH
not as cute as they look
JM
So much for papa smurf being a smarty pants
NH
short selling smurfs
NH
evil
NH
they should be banned
JM
Sarko will be out soon
JM
@JP
JM
That’s a good point
JM
Just got a note in from RBC
JC
(On RBS note – sell France buy Nordics has been a good trade btw)
JM
With this interesting fact
JM
The S&P 500 has sunk 16% since 22 July, and unwound over 61.8% of the rally since late August 2010, when Bernanke brandished QEII.
JM
Including today, we’ve nearly lost 2/3 of the Bernanke Bounce
JC
(Ptolemy – Buoni Tesoro Poliannuali. Italian gov’t bonds)
NH
oh dear
NH
2/3′s gone
NH
in how many days?
JM
sorry
JM
being distracted
NH
a bit like Tony Tassell
NH
he has to leave the office early
NH
because they were rioting outside his house
JM
editors asking about a good hairdresser in the city
NH
fires all down the road
NH
his wife sounded really worried
JM
lots of collateral jokes
JM
it’s that kind of place
NH
I hope he made it home OK
NH
parts of north london
NH
are like Athens on austerity day
JD Sports Fashion PLC (JD.:LSE): Last: 889.50, down 0.5 (-0.06%), High: 889.50, Low: 845.15, Volume: 17.36k
NH
seems to be a very people store to loot
NH
that should have been popular
JC
Barking station closed and trains disrupted due to ‘civil unrest’
JM
i used to live in both hackney and finsbury park
NH
that’s the posh bit
JM
which by the look of twitter makes me an expert on the causes of violence in inner cities amongst urban yoof
NH
Tottenham
NH
that’s the area to avoid
JM
(my computer just ominously told me that it will shut down in 23 minutes — v precise)
NH
(FTSE quote from IG – FTSE 100 4939.0/4941.0 -151.8)
NH
FTSE seen below 5,000 tomorrow
NH
if things continue as they are
NH
at this rate
NH
we are going to need the FT credit crisis cake trolley again
JM
not a trifle matter neil
NH
indeed not
JC
Must be one of few times London commuters are praying for rain, tonight
NH
we only get cakes on Thursday
NH
and they come from Ocado
An internet food retailer that many believe is the second coming of Webvan. Loss making yet valued at close to £1bn on flotation.
Ocado Group PLC (OCDO:LSE): Last: 139.70, down 6.8 (-4.64%), High: 150.37, Low: 136.00, Volume: 775.20k
NH
still
NH
cant complain
NH
oh
JM
someone has to help the,
NH
Dow rally
NH
ONLY off 432 points now
JM
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NH
PPT
NH
in action
NH
crikey
NH
riots spreading
NH
LONDON, Aug 8 (Reuters) – Attackers smashed shop windows and stole property in Birmingham, north of London, police said on Monday, the first sign that riots that have gripped London in recent days have spread beyond Britain’s capital. “Several premises in the centre have been attacked with some shop windows smashed and property stolen in various locations,” West Midlands police said in a statement.
NH
I love that
NH
B’ham – north of London
NH
yeah it’s just up the road
JM
Boston, north of New York…
JM
So, tomorrow should be fun
JM
All eyes on the Fed
JM
Could be big pressure for BB to say something
NH
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JM
But what is the what
NH
indeed
NH
I can’t think of anything
JM
there is a mini-rally going on
NH
hmm
JC
‘we are going to keep our balance sheet this …. big for this …. length of time’
NH
can’t see any newsflow
NH
to justify the move
JM
“we are redefining ‘extended period’ to the end of 2020″
NH
not sure that would help
JM
no, as cardiff would know doubt point out
JC
‘Did I say extended period? I meant eternal period’
JM
if he weren’t in the delaware mountains
JM
break-even inflation still way higher than a year ago
JM
definitely in a little closing rally
NH
yep
JM
did someone kill the smurfs?
NH
was just above 3% on Friday
NH
did it come in further today
NH
with the oil price move
NH
5yr-5yr rate?
NH
the favoured Fed measure right?
JM
yes
JC
Yeah, they look at five-year Tips too
NH
right
NH
and they are still way above the jackson hole
NH
level
JM
(going to have a little look at BAC short interest, back in a sec)
NH
send for the rally monkey
NH
quick
NH
Dow ONLY OFF 322 points now
NH
we are saved
NH
the Smurfs are dead
NH
the market is going to rally
JC
Ah via Bloomberg – it *will* be extended period, if you believe analysts
NH
hmm
JC
Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues may prolong a pledge to maintain record monetary stimulus, said economists at JPMorgan Chase & Co., BNP Paribas and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. The Fed could do so by making a commitment to hold its $2.87 trillion balance sheet steady for an “extended period.” The Fed also may replace shorter-term securities with longer maturities to reduce rates on longer-term debt.
JM
(approaching a two-year high but v low levels relative to average)
NH
Last week JCT was our only hope
NH
now its BB
JM
(0.7% of shares outstandign)
NH
if he fails
NH
who can save us then?
JC
MERVYN
NH
no
NH
there’s a test match on Weds
JM
Oh, Neil, the most bearish award…
NH
he’ll be otherwise engaged
NH
Yes John
JM
Where was that entry
NH
the RBS one
NH
above
NH
the end is nigh
NH
sell everything
NH
why
NH
have you got something better?
JM
nope, the other one
JM
Monday, August 08, 2011 12:09:13 PM RTRS – JP MORGAN SAYS SPOT GOLD PRICES COULD RISE TO $2500/OZ BY YEAR-END ON “VERY HIGH” VOLATILITY
NH
that’s it
NH
still not seen the full report
JM
rabble, help us out
JM
gold at $1711 btw
NH
managed to get a snippet
NH
Gold and sugar have potential to run a lot higher. It has been clear for weeks that the prompt CMX gold price has been building in a rising probability of a reflaring of financial crisis, gaining by 9.7% since June 30 as the MSCI World Equity index dropped by 10.1%. The correlation in daily price changes between these two assets has dropped to –0.09 from +0.29 over the prior year. Gold’s correlation against TIPS has doubled to 0.35 from 0.18. Against Italian and Spanish 5-year sovereign CDS prices, the gold correlation has moved to 0.27 and 0.32, from 0.07 and 0.04, respectively. Before the downgrade, our view was that cash gold could average $1800 per oz by year end. This view will likely now prove to be too conservative: spot gold could drive to $2500 per oz or higher, albeit on very high volatility.
JM
This is a low base but still interesting
JM
Against Italian and Spanish 5-year sovereign CDS prices, the gold correlation has moved to 0.27 and 0.32, from 0.07 and 0.04, respectively
NH
personally
NH
i’m investing in the Isle of Man
NH
or gilts
NH
don’t forget those
NH
RBS
NH
were signing their praises today
NH
UK: The last bastion of truly liquid true AAAs
JM
Speaking of Paddington
NH
On Friday we reduced (but did not eradicate at all) our bullish exposure to Gilts
in the trading portfolio – principally through not re-setting trades that had reached
their aggressive bull targets. However, following the various excitements of the
weekend, Gilt yields are, as we speak trading a little lower. So, even our modest
reduction of bullishness was wrong, and we accept that. If you think of a scale of
bull / bear from +10 to -10 then we were going from ~+9 to ~+5. It is clear to us
we need to push that back up. The point is we were bullish and still are, it is just
a question of how and when to trade it.
First off, we are sure you have read by now everything you would like to on the
specific developments over the weekend, so we are not going to go into these
details in this note. These two links show the RBS view on the twin subjects of
ECB bond buying and the US downgrade
NH
The key point is that the combination of the US downgrade and Europe coming
one more step closer to fiscal pooling heightens the focus – even further – on
AAAs. It is likely that some in the market will start once more to tout the ‘UK is
next’ line. We continue to believe that this view should be opposed.
Aggressively.
Our view is that the UK is the last liquid AAA bastion. There are more strongly
AAA countries – but they are not liquid enough for the type of macro
consideration required at the moment. Let’s look at Sweden, Norway, Australia
and Canada as the markets that are most often mentioned to us as better credit
than the UK. These bond markets are, respectively, £70bn, £22bn, £116bn and
£264bn in size. The UK is £842bn, nearly twice as big as those four combined
(comparison is nominal bonds, excluding bills).
Equally, on the FX side, GBP is one of the big 4 currencies. In the composition of
the IMF’s SDR basket GBP is the third largest at 11.3% (behind USD and EUR,
ahead of JPY) and GBP/USD (your key UK FX cross as this is all about asset
allocation) has the third highest share of FX trades in Q2 2011 behind EUR/USD
and AUD/USD. So if we are talking about substantial asset allocation, GBP is the
obvious choice.
NH
that’s the bull case
NH
for UK gilts
NH
sorry bit long
NH
what’s the latest price action
NH
on this rally
JM
get that in a sec
JM
but from smurfs
JM
to paddington bear
JM
LIMA, Aug 8 (Reuters) – Peru’s bourse temporarily stopped trading on Monday after the benchmark index .IGRA fell more than 7 percent amid a global sell-off of riskier assets, traders said, adding that trading would resume in 30 minutes.
JM
Back to the land of the muppets…
NH
Turkey was off 8% today
JM
Price update
JM
Dow Jones 10,981.27 -463.34 (-4.05%
NH
rally over
JM
S&P 500 1,139.86 -59.52 (-4.96%)
NH
right
NH
I have to go
JM
Me too, back to day job
NH
are we going to leave the chat open
NH
and then come back
NH
or just round up on the site?
JM
these days am tempted to just leave it open all day
NH
can the rabble be trusted?
JM
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JM
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NH
JC
NH
you still there?
JC
Yep
JM
Actually, my computer is scheduled to explode in 6 minutes (see above)
NH
OK
NH
let’s close this
JM
So I have to be offline for five mins
JM
While I put it back together
NH
if the market plunges
NH
and I mean
NH
by 600 points or more
NH
we come back on
JC
OK
NH
if not you must wait until the morning
JM
OH
NH
thanks for all your comments
JM
And please enter our competition
NH
yes
JM
Got a bit crowded out
JM
By all the downgrade stuff
NH
send us your stressed traded pictures
NH
they can trade anything
NH
bonds, port bellies
NH
whatever
JM
we’ll even consider analysts so long as they’re bearish
NH
Dow off 488 points
JM
i have 55 secs
NH
and on that note
JM
before my computer crashes
NH
we bid you all goodnight
NH
be safe
JM
perfect timing
NH
if you live in North London
NH
bye
JC
Bye!
JM
neil, you’ll need to close the session
JM
bye!
NH
ok
PM
Logging off too early
PM
The last half hour on wall street always sets the tone
PM
You could easily see a 300 point rally from here on the Dow
PM
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