Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 11:25 on 21 Apr 2011. Participants in this chat were: bryce.elder Tony Tassell
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*NOKIA 1Q REPORTED EPS EUR 0.09; ANALYST EST. EUR 0.51
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So anyway, good morning and welcome
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To the final Markets Live before Easter
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And wear your own clothes rather than your uniforms.
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good to be here…a good as place to hide as anywhere
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And hello once again Tony
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i am currently avoiding editorial conference…the editor of this parish is a Spurs fan
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i suspect he was looking forward to grilling me after last night’s debacle for the arsenal
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Oh – was there football last night? There seems to be football most nights.
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Usually involving Arsenal.
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yes…and you are fortunate not to have neil here..he would have been even more depressed than usual..
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That’s what you get for backing a French team.
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the creative force in the premier league..no other team is as inventive in coming up with ways to throw away leads
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yes enough football..apologies
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Yup, should we move on to matters financial?
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Oh, and rabble, there’s likely to be no more than a dozen of you today, so feel free to stream of consciousness us.
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Like Zoomy Boy used to do.
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So – wider market first I guess.
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where are we…another bullish day
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Off highs after the Nokia numbers
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Which we’re still trying to make sense of.
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*CORRECT: NOKIA 1Q REPORTED EPS EU0.09; ANALYST EST. EU0.051/SHR
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the CEO Elop was right it seems when he said Nokia was on a burning platform
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how have the nokia shares reacted..it seems the swing in 10 per cent moves recently on results statements
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Chopping about all over the place though.
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how do you make sense of that bryce
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Well, it’s not a profit warning
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And you always expect a profit warning from Nokia
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(hedgehog…cheers..i have not recommended a book as strongly for awhile)
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If you expect it to disappoint, it rarely disappoints
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*NOKIA SEES 2Q, 3Q DEVICES & SVCS SALES EU6.1B-EU6.6B, 4Q HIGHER
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Of course, this is still legacy Nokia really.
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The great Windows Phone experiment has yet to begin
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isnt Nokia all legacy?
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And won’t for a year or two yet.
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Yup – that’s fair to say.
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Though I think we here underestimate the strength of the brand in Asia.
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Having said that, though, the appearance on the market of $30 Android phones really changes the game.
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IPhone clones running android for the price of a round. Remarkable. Have a look at them on Youtube.
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do you have an example?
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i usually just focus on old van morrison videos on youtube
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If Praxis around, I think he linked to a video showing an unboxing of one.
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Anyway – let’s push on.
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We can do Apple’s SpiPhone numbers later.
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Right – questions on the right about Ferrexpo
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Yesterday’s “exclusive to all newspapers” rumour.
Ferrexpo Plc (FXPO:LSE): Last: 484.00, up 20 (+4.31%), High: 485.90, Low: 466.10, Volume: 1.13m
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(shaunrc999…sadly out of touch on the $A to make an informed comment..more of my relatives are coming over soon..that usually coincides with a dip in the currency)
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So, Ferrexpo. Ukranian iron ore pellets.
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Three potential bidders mentioned by the hacks this morning.
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Rio Tinto, slightly less ovbiously.
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Now, the first thing to note here is the negligble free float.
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Kostiantyn Zhevago has 51%
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And BXR Group has 25%.
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Does Zhevago want to sell?
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(shauncr999…well you are probably right..it is a canary in the coal mine currency)
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In short, we don’t know.
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is that Dr Zhevago bryce?
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No – he’s not a doctor unfortunately.
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But he’s rich enough to buy and sell the likes of us.
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Also owns Finance & Credit Bank
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Auto business AvtoKraz.
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And a bunch of other stuff …..
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are you a believer in this story Bryce?
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Well, the bit I can’t get my head around ….
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Is that, surely much of the value in Ferrexpo is with its relative political safety
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And that is entirely down to Zhevago’s ownership and its public listing.
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A takeover would surely remove both of those positives.
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It could be that the rumour mill’s become a bit garbled
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And someone’s actually after BXR Group’s 25% stake
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You may remember that New World Resources tried to buy a lump of Ferrexpo some time ago from BXR, which at the time was called RPG
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And BXR owns nearly two thirds of New World Resources.
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And Zhevago sits on the board of NWR.
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And NWR chairman Mike Salamon sits on the board of Ferrexpo.
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tthis is starting to resemble a Dr Zhevago in terms of a saga
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and cast of characters
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It’s rather a tight knit little group in Ukraine, it appears.
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Most of whom can be found on any given night at that sushi place next to the Economist office.
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Saki No Hana, I think it is.
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Anyway, that’s enough Ferrexpo I think.
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not bad restaurant….an attempt to bring izakaya style food to london
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That’s the one. Owned by Mr Yau.
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Still – we’re doing the restaurant reviews section a bit early today.
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(@Batman: I don’t know. And my gut feeling is that the people spinning the rumours don’t know either, given their locations rather far away from Ukraine.)
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shall we turn to HSBC…all fun stuff there
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Stuart Gulliver intends to shake up the bank it seems
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from patrick jenkins scoop this morning
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New HSBC chief plans radical shake-up
By Patrick Jenkins in London
Published: April 20 2011 23:03 | Last updated: April 20 2011 23:03
HSBC’s new chief executive is preparing a radical shake-up of the normally staid bank, slashing costs and reallocating capital in an effort to boost profitability and also resuscitate its flagging US operation.
Stuart Gulliver, HSBC’s former investment banking head who took charge of the whole group in January, has told associates he is determined to overhaul the culture of a group that has sometimes been run as a loosely connected federation of local fiefdoms.
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So is he moving to Hong Kong?
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i think we reported he is staying put here…but visiting HK a lot
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slightly worrying this
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one of the strong points of HSBC is that is rather sleepy
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a banking analyst colleague of mine in Mumbai always told me buy the boring banks, not the exciting ones
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HSBC comfortably fit into that catergory
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it is a long way from a barclays in culture
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(@analogue: I’m a little shaky on what Psion even does these days. Ruggedised computers, isn’t it? Can’t fault them for getting a decent price for that Symbian P.O.C.O.S. though.)
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Yeah – the “boring is best” rule tends to be the one favoured by the analysts
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Though not the punters.
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and HSBC as we all know came through the crisis better than many of its peers, household excluded….
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but there is lot of low hanging fruit in terms of restructuring gains that could be had at the bank
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That’s a big caveat. Household could’ve broken them.
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Without the rights issue, it would’ve.
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yes…exactly..and now they are returning to the us, albeit in corporate banking…
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i have some analyst reaction..you will have to excuse the self-promoting references to the FT…apologies
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here is gareth hunt from investec
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The FT’s front page has an article saying that HSBC CEO Gulliver is going to unveil a radical shake up of HSBC at the May 11th strategy day. Coming just a week after the Economist wrote a three page piece discussing a similar theme we think today’s article looks well sourced. We’ve attached our note from earlier this week which discusses the potential for restructuring to drive returns and, by extension, the share price.
Put simply, 72% of the HSBC balance sheet produced ROE below 10% in H2 2010. We estimate that if Gulliver is serious about ensuring all businesses generated ROE at 10% or better then share price scenarios are in the region on 950p.
Talk of disposals is very encouraging.
The FT floats the idea that the US cards business might be sold. At $27bn of assets and $2bn of PBT this is a material book and, on a very back of the envelope basis, could be worth c.$20bn (although as we don’t know the carrying value we don’t know likely gains/losses to equity).
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it is a good point..the piece came after that seemingly well sourced economist article
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Restructured HSBC could be worth at least 950p we estimate.
On page 21 of our note we attempt to reverse out the valuation of the performing piece of the HSBC balance sheet (Asia) and non-Asia. Valuing Hong Kong Shanghai on the basis of its core ROE and adding back the market valuation of the stakes in Hang Seng, Bank of Communications, Ping An and Saudi British Bank suggests to us that non-Asia balance sheet (some $106bn of equity on our calculations) is being valued at around 0.8x PBV. While this discount to book is justified, given the current level of returns, it clearly has the potential to move sharply if ROE can improve. If we assume core Asia grows its equity base at 20% compound in 2011 and 2012 (and pays a 50% dividend), that the associates grow at 12.5% compound and that non-Asia can generate 10% ROE (ie. below the target range) this would equate to a valuation of 967p for HSBC.
Target prices in this range are supported by dividend estimates. If we (and consensus) are correct that HSBC will pay a 62c dividend in 2013 this would equate to a 956p share price at the 4% long run dividend yield.
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Does the article reduce the risk of an EPS cut on May 9th?
HSBC will host its strategy day on May 11th, two days after it posts its Q1 IMS on May 9th. We had been concerned that May 9th might see some reductions to estimates in the event that management took restructuring charges. We were also concerned that HFC might see either slightly higher than forecast impairment charges, given the weakness in US house prices, or additional mortgage servicing costs following the recent OCC ruling. The combination of the recent Economist article with today’s piece in the FT clearly raises expectations and, as such, would suggest to us the probability of bad news on May 9th is lower than we thought.
HSBC underperformed Standard Chartered by 69% between 2002 and 2010 as HSBC ROE weakened. If HSBC is about to embark on a root and branch review of the groups equity and ROE structure the stock has the potential to be a hugely successful restructuring play. We believe institutions should be overweight.
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Mike Trippitt at Oriel is more sceptical
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• We have a neutral recommendation on HSBC and will need to be convinced on the
speed and timing of any cost-cutting programme.
• Interest rate rises and the subsequent impact on net interest margins will be the real
driver of HSBC’s near-term profitability. However in a rising rate environment, the
higher Beta banks are likely to outperform HSBC.
• Whilst the current rating (1.6x TNAV) is not particularly demanding, our concerns are
that (i) the ROE remains below 12% on our forecasts through to 2013 (ii) the near-term
equity cashflow is below the dividend payout, i.e core tier 1 will be eroded in the nearterm.
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Interesting theme this. HSBC’s seen by many as dead money.
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It the sense that it’s in too many steady or declining markets
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And that eclipses the EM exposure that’s provided a rerating for its closest peers.
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It’s bad boring, not good boring.
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welll i think that might be the idea of the restructuring..to look scaling back in areas where it is not making money above its cost of capital
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that is hard to argue with as a good idea
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Agree. But if management CAN pull out something to trigger a rerating, that has market-wide consequences.
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in what sense again bryce
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In the sense that it’s the FTSE heavyweight, and is overowned by every institution needing something that’s not a miner.
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You stick 10% on the price of HSBC and there are a lot of bottles of champagne bought at the Royal Exchange that year.
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how much does it comprise of the ftse now?
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Um – don’t have the detail to hand. One of the ROTR will, I’m sure.
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so bascially everyone in the uk who has a pension fund or an isa..has fair bit at stake in this
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Yup – we’re all invested in HSBC, whether we like it or not.
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Ok – Tony, always a stickler for precision, has run off to the stats department to check what HSBC’s weighting is.
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Whereas I, never a stickler for precision, remain.
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While we wait for his return, I think Taxloss was mentioning Autonomy earlier.
Autonomy Corp Plc (AU.:LSE): Last: 1,528, up 20 (+1.33%), High: 1,530, Low: 1,494, Volume: 160.97k
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i can confirm iot is 7.4 per cent…thank you death by bailout
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(@Swedes: ISA’s don’t accept Aim stocks. And quite rightly, in my opinion. Why get tax relief on what is more often than not rubbish?)
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(death by bailout…no worries no worries)
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Right – returning to Autonomy.
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(Stop it, Tony. Don’t encourage them.)
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the sponsor of the spurs last night
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Well, that bit was never really explained.
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However, we have results today.
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CAMBRIDGE, England – 12 April 2011 – Autonomy Corporation plc (LSE: AU. or AU.L), a global leader in infrastructure software for the enterprise, today announced that its interim management statement with results for the first quarter ended 31 March 2011 will be announced on Thursday 21 April 2011 at 12.30pm BST. The date is earlier than originally expected due to scheduling conflicts with the short week at the end of April.
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“Scheduling conflicts.”
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Ever seen that before?
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nope….at least it is earlier rather than later
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Does this mean they’re buying something in the US and are holding the news back for New York time?
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Anyway, one of our favourite Autonomy analysts
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Mr Paul Morland of Peel Hunt
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Has a rather withering note out this morning.
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That’s against a £15.50 current price, let’s remember.
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And here’s his working.
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In-line results would be bad news. Consensus is for Q1 sales of $216m,
adjusted EBIT of $91.5m and EPS of 26c. Assuming Autonomy achieves these
numbers, this would represent 11% growth (around 5% ex OEM and ex acqs.),
a 200bp fall in margins and EPS growth of just 5%. This would not justify a 20x
multiple in our view. We also see downside risk to all of these numbers based
on our analysis of H2 2010 trends covered in earlier notes.
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Here’s an interesting line on competition.
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One that hadn’t occurred to me.
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Earlier this year IBM released some software called
Watson which it pitted against the two greatest Jeopardy! champions of all time.
The terminology used about this product on IBM’s website will be familiar to
followers of Autonomy. It is capable of processing natural language content and
has understanding similar to human intelligence. Autonomy’s IDOL makes
similar claims but also believes these to be unique. As IBM further develops this
offering, we expect it to represent serious competition for Autonomy which did
not exist before. Add this concern to Autonomy’s apparent inability to deliver any
growth beyond its OEM business in H2 last year and the outlook is bleak.
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So – the IBM Jeopardy! computer could eat Autonomy’s lunch.
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i think autonomy needs to get an exclamation mark at lest to compete
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maybe raise the stakes with an umlaut
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A fine idea. You should be in marketing.
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Returning to the research, we’re back to the usual old concerns about cashflow and peculiar items in the annual reports.
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Cash almost certain to disappoint. A spike in debtors, beyond what should
normally be expected, left them at very high levels at end 2010. DSOs rose to
94 days from an already high 90 days (normal range 85-90) in Q3. Assuming
Autonomy does $216m of sales in Q1 and DSOs fall back to 90 days, we
estimate that the fall in debtors would produce a cash inflow of over $40m. Since
the largest such inflow in the last 12 Qs has been $5m, this looks unlikely,
suggesting DSOs will remain well above 90 days. Add to this the unwinding of a
$35m increase in creditors in Q4 and cash is almost certain to disappoint.
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Low amortisation suggests extended asset lives. A further review of notes
14 and 15 to the 2010 accounts suggests that capitalised Patents, Licenses and
Trademarks (c.$60m in last 2 years, c.4% margin benefit) are being amortised
over an average of 4.5 years. Notes to accounts say this should be ‘1-3 years,
or contractual life if longer’ suggesting to us a much lower average and
representing a material benefit to margins. Without this, already weakening
margins would be even lower.
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We see the only risk to this call as sales well above $216m but we would
ascribe a probability to this of no more than 5% based on recent trends.
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Excellent new logo, T. That’s worth £250,000 of anyone’s capex.
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it is about this time..i ask shall we turn macro?
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there is an interesting goldman note on the possibility of a greek debt restructuring..interesting given goldman’s recent history with greece
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(@steven: you’re right. Sorry. Lowered BY 200p. I’ll fix the transcript after we come off air.)
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“Possibility” of Greek restrucuring?
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It’s a certainty, surely.
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from Francesco Garzarelli
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. What’s All This Talk of Greek Debt ‘Restructuring’?
It has been our view for a while that Greece, in agreement with its EMU partners, would attempt to undertake a liability management exercise on its sovereign debt, most likely involving a ‘voluntary’ maturity extension of at least part of the medium and long-term bonds coming due in 2012-15 (cumulatively amounting to some EUR250bn). Here we spend a few lines reviewing our thoughts on the matter, and try to understand what could have recently led to an escalation of talk on the occurrence of such an event.
On the assumption that the severe fiscal adjustments agreed with the EC and the IMF are fully delivered, and that EUR5.5bn worth of privatizations receipts are collected, Greece is projected to have a debt-to-GDP ratio of around 160% by end-2012. The sustainability of such a high debt stock is understandably the subject of an intense debate. But the economy’s medium term growth trajectory – a key factor in any sustainability assessment – is hard to know based on today’s information (the IMF assumes a figure in the ball park of 2.5% in real terms).
In March, the full repayment of funds provided through bi-lateral loans was extended and the interest reduced. This makes it less burdensome for the country to generate enough savings to pay back its EMU partners, which rank pari passu with existing bondholders. However, the adjustment program currently envisages that, already next year, Greece will have to return to the market and raise around EUR40bn in order to roll over 76% of maturing bonds, and meet coupon payments. Crucially, around two-thirds of these disbursements will end up in the hands of foreign creditors, mostly financial institutions in the Euro area.
The IMF’s third ‘program review’ (released in March) highlights this as a ‘notable risk’ – it may prove difficult for the Greek government to re-access markets before the economy and debt dynamics have turned the corner. The price action over the past week (2-yr Greek bonds trade at 75c, or a 20% yield) suggests that such a risk may already have become reality. This argues in favor of at least buying Greece more time to show it can deliver.
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Topping up the EUR110bn pool of official fund is an option. But by the end of next year, we calculate that 42% of the overall Greek debt will already be in the hands of the EU, IMF or the ECB (the percentage is higher considering only medium and long term marketable securities). Increasing this share further may have the adverse effect of reducing price disclosure, further disengaging potential bond holders, and ultimately complicating an eventual return to the market. This suggests that a solution involving the private sector may be preferable.
We have not been specific about timing, but have indicated action of any sort would probably come next year, when the Greek primary fiscal balance will probably have swung into surplus, the economy may have stabilized and external conditions further improved. The intensification of talk of an adjustment, including (crucially) statements in this direction from German officials, could be indicative of the fact that some form of burden sharing has become politically palatable both from the Greek side (as the authorities prepare to push more measures through Parliament), and for some EMU members (in which the question of why tax-payers’ money should be used to make financial institutions whole on their past investments is being more frequently asked). Finally, the new round of bank stress tests this June could offer regulators the opportunity to encourage financial institutions to enter into liability management negotiations.
Admittedly, carrying out a liability management exercise is a complex matter and carries several risks. The legal intricacies have been discussed by Mitu Gulati and Lee Buchheit (see: Duke Law working paper no. 47, 2010). More generally, there is the question of how to minimize any ‘contagion’ effects to other program countries and beyond (we have emphasized that Greece is in a league of its own in Euroland and that Ireland and Portugal would not be impaired). And if NPV ‘haircuts’ are contemplated, rather than the re-profiling of a portion of existing bonds as we have in mind, the question is how to calibrate the exercise so that the market agrees that this represents a resolution to the issue of concerns over debt sustainability, and not the start of a sequence of adjustments.
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An important contribution to the restructuring debate is offered by a note published earlier today by our colleagues in the European Bank Research team (see: European Bank Exposure to Greece Revisited). Roughly EUR100bn, or 40% of Greek bonds outstanding, are held by Eurozone banks, and the amount is about equally distributed between the Greek banks and those domiciled in the ‘core’ countries. In an aggressive scenario of a 60% notional ‘haircut’, they calculate that Euro zone system-wide losses would amount to around EUR41bn (broken down as EUR24.7bn in Greece, EUR3.8bn in France and EUR7.5bn in Germany), corresponding to at most 3% of aggregate ‘Tier 1’ capital of all European banks.
They estimate that the impact would be manageable for banking institutions in Germany and France (representing 5% of Tier 1 capital in the former, concentrated in a few institutions some of which are backed by the government, and around 2% in the latter), and thus not represent a threat to the stability of the financial system. Clearly the hit on the Greek banks based on such a large restructuring assumption would be commensurately big (wiping out 80% of Tier 1 capital or equivalent to 160% of current market cap).
This indicates that any transaction would need to be designed extremely carefully and give consideration to the impact on domestic institutions, with the ECB fully on board continuing to extend funding assistance. Further uncertainties relate to ‘second round effects’ and potential exposure of non-bank financials (estimated to amount up to EUR50bn). Funds diverted from repaying foreign creditors in full and on time, be it through debt exchanges or haircuts, could be used to further bolster the capital base of the Greek institutions
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apologies for the length..thought the line was interesting: roughly EUR100bn, or 40% of Greek bonds outstanding, are held by Eurozone banks, and the amount is about equally distributed between the Greek banks and those domiciled in the ‘core’ countries.
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And, since we’re on macro
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What’s the detail on today’s retail sales numbers?
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well some better news perhaps
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Expectations were for a 0.4% fall.
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Though, as we always feel the need to point out, this reading is very volatile.
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So volatile as to be nearly useless, in fact.
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some reaction from unicredit
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Retail sales grew by 0.2% mom in March, in line with our expectations. Sales rose in predominantly food stores (0.7%), non stores retailing (0.6%) – which includes sales by mail, telephone and email – and in the automotive fuel stores (0.6%), while it fell in predominantly non-food stores (-0.3%) -which consist of textile, clothing, household goods, and non-specialized stores.
Quarterly growth in 1Q stands at 0.3%, an improvement from -0.1% in the last quarter of 2010, but still a modest performance. In terms of GDP implication, today’s data point to a very modest consumption growth in 1Q. Next week we expect GDP to grow by 0.7% qoq, marking a decent rebound after the weather related drop in the previous quarter, but still leaving the average growth at the turn of the year at a very modest 0.1% qoq.
This would cast some doubt about the strength of the economic recovery, something the BoE would pay particular attention to. We remain confident that the beginning of the tightening cycle is not imminent and the first rate hike will probably come in 3Q this year
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and some from the CEBR
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There were notable variations across different parts of the retail sector; non-store retailing continued to perform well, with volumes up by 13.1% compared with a year ago. However, sales in household goods stores remain weak – sales volumes were 7.7% lower than in March 2010, a sign of consumers continuing to refrain from making big-ticket purchases, and also possibly a result of ongoing weakness in the housing market.
The latest John Lewis retail sales data were also released this morning – they show that for the first 11 weeks of John Lewis’ financial year, retail sales values including VAT were 1.9% higher than the same period a year ago. However, excluding VAT, growth was only 0.1%.
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Some caution needs to be taken when interpreting retail sales data, given annual variances in the timing of holidays and also weather related factors. The Easter bank holidays are relatively late this year, meaning that the typical holiday spending boost has yet to occur. The warm weather and sunshine seen this week, combined with the Easter bank holiday and Royal Wedding, may improve retail sales this month. However, with UK households continuing to face the financial squeeze created by high inflation and weak earnings growth, we still expect a relatively weak outlook for the retail sector this year as demand for discretionary goods and services remains subdued.
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(@kickinhorse: correcting errors of fact with an added disclaimer is allowed, yes. What would you prefer?)
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And a bit more from Merrill.
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this official retail sales data continues to hold up somewhat better
than other indicators: it suggests that consumers are absorbing the renewed rise
in inflation since autumn last year partly in their nominal spending (and saving
less), while also paring back their real spending somewhat too. In contrast, a
range of other indicators – including from the retailers themselves – suggest that
consumers are cutting back on real spending to a notably larger extent. Indeed
some suggest a weakening nominal spending growth, implying even sharper falls
in real growth. As such, there are considerable differences between different
pieces of evidence at present. The weakness of consumer confidence since the
start of the year is perhaps more consistent with the picture painted by the
retailers and survey indicators though, rather than this official data.
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But more broadly, retail sales are only around 1/3 of total consumer spending,
and are not well correlated with the other 2/3. So they are by no means a
bellwether for aggregate consumer spending. With official data showing that retail
sales held up much better than the remainder of consumer spending (eg hotels,
restaurants, vehicles, hairdressers) through the course of the recession, there are
risks that consumers could have been paring back their spending to a greater
degree elsewhere.
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CPI inflation rose at a QoQ annualised pace of around 8% in Q1, reflecting the
VAT rise and strong underlying increases in energy prices. That could be
imparting considerable downward pressure on real spending at present. As those
effects fade over the next few months though (not least as the VAT rise is not
being repeated), the real/inflation split of any given amount of nominal spending
should improve. Nevertheless, while the magnitude of the deterioration is rather
unclear, the more downbeat news surrounding the consumer in recent weeks
poses, in our view, the main risk of interest rate expectations continuing to be
pushed backwards.
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so we have been spending less on hairdressers.. i thought you were keeping that sector alive Bryce
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i think it is your national duty to go for the dye Bryce
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anyway..i have been wondering about the roryal wedding impact..is it net positive for the economy..given all the disruption, days off work etc
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My haircuts increasingly resemble a controlled demolition.
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Um – as for the royal wedding …..
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at least one sector of the high street is doing well as we have pointed out before…the bookies
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William Hill have moved up sharply today
William Hill PLC (WMH:LSE): Last: 214.80, up 16.3 (+8.21%), High: 216.40, Low: 205.00, Volume: 5.62m
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Results looked pretty average to me.
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Any comment on the figures?
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William Hill has reported a very strong 1Q statement and we remain firm Buyers of the stock.
This is a bullish and confident statement that supports our central Buy thesis that William Hill has strong growth prospects across both retail and online, with low leverage supporting shareholder comfort, investments (such as the recent land-based, regulated US sportsbook acquisitions) and an attractive dividend. Trading at just 9x FY11E P/E and 6x EV/EBITDA, we retain a Buy on the stock with a 270p share price target.
1Q group net gaming revenue (NGR) was up by 11%, with EBIT growing by an impressive 21%.
Critically, William Hill is seeing excellent growth across the group, supporting our view that both retail and online gambling offer attractive growth prospects.
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In retail, OTC wagering volume growth was 4% (+1% LFL excluding snow effects in 1Q10), with a strong margin (football-led, +60bp to 18.1%) driving NGR growth of 8%. Impressive machines growth continues, with a 1Q increase of 9%. Machines gross win for 1Q was £885 per machine per week, outperforming sector peer Ladbrokes by c12%.
Online NGR in 1Q was up 26%, driven by the sportsbook (+54%, despite horse-racing and singles betting-led margin decline of 80bp to 7.3%), but assisted by good growth in both poker (+16%, bucking negative industry trends) and casino (+13%), as well as 30% bingo upside YoY. Online EBIT growth was 28% (small margin uptick) to £29.8m.
Net debt has reduced to £458m (vs £499m at FY10A), implying a net debt/EBITDA of just 1.5x and supporting a high dividend payout (forecast yield 4.5% to FY11E).
Further, tax guidance has been dropped by 4% pts to just 18%, implying an immediate c5% enhancement to our FY11E EPS (21.25p to 22.34p).
We have a Buy on the stock, with a 270p share price target implying 36% upside.
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however RBS points out..this is as good as it gets for William Hill
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Tougher from here
The first quarter was always going to be the easiest. Everything gets harder from here: the
machines are comparing real like with like for the first time; there is no world cup; there is an
increase in levy costs; and, hardest to predict, the impact of austerity and generally higher
costs will begin to be felt as the year progresses. Betting has always been resilient but
ultimately caves in when the money is no longer there.
Forecasts
We will revisit our forecasts for the year but the crucial months are still ahead. If the OTC
business stands up better than we are anticipating we will have to review our thesis but this
quarter was not the real test. That lies ahead.
BE
Yeah – they’ve had a good run.
BE
Numis makes the same point.
BE
The shares are not expensive relative to history, on a FY11E P/E of 8.8x, but we
believe the valuation will be lower still before it finds a floor. We reiterate our
Reduce rating and 170p target price.
BE
We believe that 1Q11 will prove to be the strongest of FY11E. Prospects for 2Q11E
in particular look dull as the business is going to lap most of World Cup 2010 and the
period of dramatic acceleration in the online sports book (as the improved technology
took effect last year).
BE
There seems to be interest among the ROTR in the gold miners
BE
Both POG and Abigail reporting today.
Petropavlovsk PLC (POG:LSE): Last: 920.50, up 20.5 (+2.28%), High: 930.00, Low: 911.50, Volume: 593.11k
African Barrick Gold PLC (ABG:LSE): Last: 550.50, up 11.5 (+2.13%), High: 558.50, Low: 536.00, Volume: 460.16k
TT
(ROTR – i guess the hirers of morning suits are going to do well out of the wedding)
TT
(how is moss bros performing?)
BE
(Are you really expecting the Middletons to hire their goon suits, Tony?)
Moss Bros Group PLC (MOSB:LSE): Last: 26.10, down 0.4 (-1.51%), High: 26.75, Low: 26.10, Volume: 72.16k
BE
I guess that answers that.
TT
nice idea though..william running down to Moss Bross for a suit
TT
and then losing his bow tie at the last moment like everyone else
BE
Returning to things wedding unrelated ………..
BE
African Barrick results were as expected with a mild dose of cost inflation on the side.
BE
Whereas POG topped lowered expectations, but still managed to disappoint some.
BE
Here’s some detail on the latter.
BE
Petropavlovsk’s 1Q’11 production was already disclosed at its 31 March results so no surprises;
production was 75koz (+15% YoY) with 124koz of sales (+83% YoY). Management state group costs were
lower than expected but do not disclose a figure; we estimate 1H’11 at US$608koz (ex-alluvials) on forecast
1H’11 production of 254koz so there is potential for a positive surprise here. Importantly, production in
April has exceeded internal production estimates, most notably at Malomir (+47% vs management) and at
Pioneer (14%). The company reiterates that the mill expansion at Malomir is on track for commissioning in
3Q’11 and new mine Albyn is on track for a 4Q’11 start up, incremental production from both continue to
be excluded from management’s 600koz 2011 production guidance. Since its FY’10 results on 31 March
POG has been the laggard of the London golds, its shares have lost 10% whilst its 66% owned iron ore
subsidiary IRC has gained +51% (including +3% overnight) and added £0.69/shr to POG’s share price.
Over this period POG has underperformed the gold price by 15% and Randgold by 20%. Excluding its IRC
stake (worth £2.15/shr) POG is trading on 6.9x PER and with production exceeding management’s
expectations we believe it is time to BUY the shares back.
BE
Oh, and they have a line about the gold bubble too.
BE
Gold traded to a new record overnight, driving through $1,500/oz and now trading at $x/oz. Since end March prices
have risen 5%, spurred largely by rising US and European debt concerns with Standard & Poor yesterday warning
that the US risks being stripped of its ‘AAA’ credit rating unless it delivers a deficit-cutting plan within two years.
Given the difficulties in passing the recent US budget and continued European sovereign debt worries, we continue
to see value in gold. Over the same period the performance of gold stocks has varied wildly, with most de-rating
despite equities supposedly offering greater leverage to the commodity than ETFs. Indeed over the past year only
one gold stock in a selected group of seven major producers has actually outperformed the gold price (Barrick),
and then only barely (see Figure 1 below). Even more recently since end March price movements have varied
substantially with Petropavlovsk (-16%), Randgold (+16%), Centamin (+6%), African Barrick (+2%), Newmont
(+7%), Barrick (+4%) and Newcrest (+2%).
TT
(hedgehog..i do expect to see big demand though for this bit of memorabilia – the kate and william fridge http://www.bitterwallet.com/more-royal-wedding-rot-with-this-vomit-inducing-kitchen-ruiner/41862)
BE
And here’s Troika Dialog to state the obvious re POG.
BE
Overall, we have a nagging suspicion that the company lowballed its 2011 guidance (production,
costs, grades), and there could be some upside to our output estimate of 635 koz this year. It is
arguably too early to judge for now, but the underlying performance so far is solid. We now expect
production to grow to around 145 koz in 2Q11 and exceed 200 koz in 3Q11 and 4Q11.
BE
What none of it answers is whether they can afford to switch mining processes on the current capex budget.
BE
And that, I think, is the big question that’s going to keep nagging at the stock.
BE
Looks like the rabble’s favouring a beer in the sun over our inane chatter.
BE
So we should probably wrap this up soon.
BE
Apple results have been covered ad nauseum elsewhere.
BE
And, as for the SpiPhone story ….. Meh. Surely you must have noticed that ITunes, a media player, is about the size of Photoshop.
BE
it’s OBVIOUSLY doing something funny behind the wall.
BE
So. Tony. Anything on your mind before we close this?
TT
jack farchy has just sent over an interesting backgrounder on silver…which as jim rogers pointed out yesterday was in danger of going parabolic
TT
it is a fresh 31-year high today at 46.24 an ounce
TT
approaching a record according to him and colleague javier blas
TT
As we rapidly approach a record price for silver, please take note of some considerable confusion about what exactly that record is. It was set on January 18, 1980, in the midst of the Hunt brothers’ cornering of the market, but the exact number is difficult to define, and no doubt if/when the day comes the wires will be full of conflicting reports.
Nowadays we use as a benchmark the intraday prices on the OTC market in London — by far the biggest and most traded precious metals market. However, in 1980 the data on this market was much less precise, since it wasn’t traded electronically.
After some discussion, Javier and I have concluded that anything above $50 should be considered a record high, and we should include the following sentence in the story:
“The market considers that $50 an ounce marks a record nominal high for silver, although veteran traders say that in the chaotic trading of January 18, 1980, when the Hunt brothers’ cornering of the market came to a head, some small amounts of the metal changed hands in the physical market at even higher prices. The large precious metals banks, which have been meeting daily to set prices for silver since 1897, on that day recorded a “fixing” — or daily benchmark price — of $49.45.”
BE
(@oilwatcher: every sellside desk in the City has been pushing BP this week. I’d argue that the (hugely unlikely) breakup angle probably puts a floor on the valuation, though they really need to fix this Russian stuff before any rerating can happen.)
BE
Right – ta for that. Handy for our silverbugs.
BE
Couple more individual features before we close.
BE
BWin.Party:diGITaL>>.COM()()()PLC Smiley Face.
BE
Or whatever it’s called.
Bwin.party Digital Entertainment Plc (BPTY:LSE): Last: 158.00, down 14.5 (-8.41%), High: 173.00, Low: 155.60, Volume: 5.03m
BE
Investec says the rally’s gone too far.
BE
The US action against US-facing poker sites has been treated as an unalloyed
positive for Bwin.Party and other poker operators, with Bwin.Party’s shares up
30% on the news. We believe the operational and regulatory reality is much
more mixed than this and believe the shares are no longer sufficiently
discounting regulatory risk. We downgrade to SELL
BE
Bwin.Party’s rally prices in the demise of PokerStars and an increased chance of
US entry, in our view. We believe neither is likely. From an operational
perspective, PokerStars remains a formidable opponent and competition in
Europe could actually increase in the short/medium-term.
BE
We believe the European regulatory look-through is mixed. First, we would
question the value of more ‘.com’ liquidity for Bwin.Party, especially if it is won in
Germany (where both are strong). Second, we believe any increase in scrutiny
into the ‘.com’ model could lead to further regulatory problems.
BE
We recognise that the US playing-field now looks more level, a major regulatory
issue has been clarified and there are now millions of disgruntled poker players.
However, we see the regulatory debate likely to be moving to ‘control’, while
‘State-by-State’ and lobbying have probably been dealt a blow.
BE
We are not altering our Bwin.Party forecasts since we see a risk of 2011E
downgrades due to increased competition. Equally, the major themes of 2012E
are likely to be tax and restrictions and we see over 60% of Bwin.Party’s EBITDA
at risk. The PokerStars situation does not materially change this, in our view. We
reiterate our DCF-based 116p TP and downgrade to SELL.
BE
There’s a Tui Travel upgrade from Deutsche Bank which is too dull to repeat.
Tui Travel PLC (TT.:LSE): Last: 238.60, up 6.7 (+2.89%), High: 238.70, Low: 234.40, Volume: 1.39m
BE
And Bloomberg’s got a story that Diageo’s going to buy Stock Spirits
TT
(pharma – jack farchy says adjusted for inflation, the 1980 record for silver would be about $140 in today’s money. Gold about $2400)
BE
With Bain Capital providing some of the cash.
BE
Stock Spirits was established in 2007 when Oaktree Capital merged Czech business Stock with Polmos Lublin, its Polish counterpart, which Oaktree had acquired a year previously.
BE
It makes Zoladkowa Gorzka
TT
can you pronouse those for me bryce
BE
Nope. And they all look like I’ve dropped coffee on the keyboard.
BE
Though, with your spelling, it’s a glass houses argument.
Diageo PLC (DGE:LSE): Last: 1,207, no change, High: 1,212, Low: 1,202, Volume: 682.59k
BE
In 2009 Stock reported earnings of €63m on sales of €262m.
TT
are thos names the next goalkeepers for the arsenal?
BE
(@GB Krona: It’s a carve up to avoid whatever competition issues they may me, I assume)
BE
Right – and on that note let’s close this.
TT
anyway i should be heading off..no paper tomorrow, so it is a strange day
BE
Yup – writing for Saturday.
BE
Of course. The web never sleeps.
TT
thanks for having me..it is an honour as always…
BE
Yup – and have a good Easter, rabble.
BE
See you, bright and refreshed, next week.