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Markets Live transcript 4 Feb 2011

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:28 on 4 Feb 2011. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT bryce.elder

NH
Good morning markets rabble
NH
normal service this morning
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no special guests
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or discussion about marmite rick crackers
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just markets news
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and there’s a fair bit around
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which is good
BE
Yeah – and to just make it clear
BE
That really was the CFO of Unilever we had on yesterday.
BE
It wasn’t like when Paul had “Princess Beartrice” make an appearance.
BE
So anyway, where do we begin?
NH
EmoticonEmoticon
NH
it really was Jean Marc Huet
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and well done rabble
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your questions actually made it into the FT
NH
they really did
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printed on the page
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you should feel honored
NH
I am just stunned
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you were all so sensible
BE
You’ve broken into journalism, rabble. It really is that easy.
BE
So anyway, that was yesterday.
NH
yep
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and today is er today
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and we are up
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FTSE 100 up 23 points at 6,007
BE
(Lenny: freelance rate’s about tuppence a word. We’ll send you a cheque.)
NH
right
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and leading us higher
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are utilities
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thrilling sector
Severn Trent Plc (SVT:LSE): Last: 1,439, up 49 (+3.53%), High: 1,444, Low: 1,400, Volume: 349.75k
United Utilities Group PLC (UU.:LSE): Last: 573.00, up 18 (+3.24%), High: 575.50, Low: 560.00, Volume: 1.33m
BE
Right. What’s the catalyst?
NH
Merrill note i believe
BE
(@Taxloss: well put.)
NH
which I have somewhere
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right
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got it
NH
the idea seems to be inflation is good for the sector
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presumably because
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what they can charge is pegged RPI
NH
Upgrading UK water stocks on inflation & valuation support
We are upgrading our stance on UK water stocks to reflect higher UK inflation
trends which lead to valuation and earnings upgrades for all four listed stocks.
Post the recent weakness of UK utilities, EV/RAV premia for the quoted quartet
has fallen to below 5% on average and valuations now look more attractive. UK
water stocks offer the purest exposure to high inflation among the UK utilities and
in 2011, should benefit from the continuation of high RPI and perhaps still low
interest rates on the back of weak UK GDP growth. Even after assuming
reversion to normal levels of RPI in 2012 (c2.7%), valuations are particularly
attractive for SVT & UU
NH
Upgrades: SVT & UU to Buy, Pennon & NWG to Neutral
We upgrade Severn Trent and United Utilities to Buy from Neutral. We upgrade
Pennon and Northumbrian Water to Neutral from Underperform. Our
recommendation differentiation is mainly on valuation grounds. SVT and UU,
trading below 3% 2012 EV/RAV premia, provide exposure to high UK inflation at
undemanding valuations and offer attractive total returns vs NWG and Pennon.
NH
here’s the bit on inflation
NH
High RPI is beneficial for valuations, revenues, dividends and debt ratios. The Jan
2.5% VAT hike, higher commodity/food prices and utility bill hikes are expected to
support 2011 RPI at high levels The next catalyst is 15th Feb 2011, when Jan
2011 RPI will be published. While 4.5-5% RPI starting Jan 2011 would be very
supportive, we believe risks are probably on the upside.
BE
Thrilling.
NH
Fundamentals have stabilised
We have seen a recovery in water demand (partly weather, partly underlying)
which has helped revenues and even if economic recovery slows down, demand
levels have probably stabilised. Cost inflation has been largely offset by efficiency
and cost cutting initiatives. The recent IMSs did not contain any surprises,
although leakage has been higher due to cold weather (no material financial
impact) and capital investment is slightly behind schedule (to pick up later).
NH
interesting play on inflation though
NH
that said
NH
aren’t higher bond yields
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usually a negative for this sector
BE
As in yield attraction? Yeah, in theory.
NH
(@Yes Taxloss. I am hearing an online sister publication of the FT has a bid story and will be publishing soon)
NH
that’s what I thought
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anyway
NH
what else is moving?
11:12AM
NH
Ah yes
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Morrison
Wm Morrison Supermarkets P L C (MRW:LSE): Last: 277.90, up 6.7 (+2.47%), High: 280.00, Low: 275.70, Volume: 6.25m
NH
you were writing about that yesterday
BE
Yeah – everyone loves Morrison today.
BE
UBS, Bernstein, Matrix all shoving.
NH
(@Strawbug – I am going to try and get Gavyn Davies on)
NH
what’s this buyback idea
BE
Well, that’s UBS’s theory
BE
Balance sheet’s too strong
NH
can a BS ever be too strong?
BE
Fair question. But Morrison’s priced for ex-growth anyway, they argue.
BE
So the cost of giving £1bn back to holders wouldn’t trigger a derating.
BE
That’s the theory anyway.
NH
but
NH
you are forgetting one very important thing
BE
?
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there’s something much better than can do with the £1bn
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something that will generate
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a much better return for shareholders
BE
??
Ocado Group PLC (OCDO:LSE): Last: 246.90, down 2.1 (-0.84%), High: 247.80, Low: 244.40, Volume: 135.62k
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buy it
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Of course.
NH
£1bn would almost do it
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probably need to add another £300m
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for the well deserved premium
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but
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what better use of £1bn
BE
Indeed. Some vans and a big warehouse.
NH
(I think a pharma CEO is a very good idea. Might try Witty)
BE
And a customer base that’d switch to Waitrose Direct as soon as the Morrison’s own-brand hummous started arrving.
BE
So why’s Webvan 2.0 lower today?
NH
well that’s the point of this rather laboured gag
NH
Goldman
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they had downgraded to hold
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but at the same time
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upped their target price to 304p from 224p
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can’t quite figure out
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how one follows the other
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but there you go
NH
What happened
We downgrade Ocado to Neutral (from Buy) following recent share price
outperformance. We revise our estimates following the strong FY2010
results and solid current trading. Our revised 6m price target of 304p (from
224p) implies 23% upside, which is in-line with the median for our Small
and Mid Cap coverage of 22%. Since being added to the Buy List on
August 31, 2010, the stock is up 74.0% vs. FTSE World Europe index up
17.1% (over the last 6 months the shares are up 48.0% vs. FTSE World
Europe index up 11.9%).
An internet food retailer that many believe is the second coming of Webvan. Loss making yet valued at close to £1bn on flotation.
BE
£3 not enough upside for a Goldman client, I guess.
BE
Better upside elsewhere.
NH
nce being added to the Buy List on
August 31, 2010, the stock is up 74.0% vs. FTSE World Europe index up
17.1%
NH
look at that
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Goldman buy list
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is not always the kiss of death
BE
Hm.
NH
Current view
Our EBITDA forecasts for FY11 and FY12 increase slightly to £40.3 mn and
£65.2 mn (from £39.4 mn and £63.0 mn). We factor in higher incremental
EBITDA conversion following the better than expected performance in
2H2010 and this more than offsets a slight decline in FY11 and FY12
revenue growth. Medium term we now expect the company to start
expanding the capacity of CFC2 from FY13 onwards (previously FY14) to
meet continued demand for online groceries; hence we revise our net
sales growth forecasts for FY14 and FY15 to 28% and 25% (from 20% and
15%).
NH
We retain our view that Ocado’s differentiated business model results in a
superior customer offering relative to other UK online grocers, hence, the
company is well placed to deliver strong growth. Our revised 6-month,
DCF-based price target is 304p (from 224p) and assumes 2nd stage growth
of 8% (from 6%), terminal growth of 2% and margin assumption of 8%
(from 7%). The price target implies 2.5x EV/sales (2011E), consistent with
multiples paid for online retail assets over the past two years (Net-a-Porter,
Diapers.com, Zappos, Ruelala).
BE
Hang on …..
BE
So their price target’s predicated on a bid?
NH
hmm
BE
“he price target implies 2.5x EV/sales (2011E), consistent with multiples paid for online retail assets over the past two years”
NH
I hadn’t though of it that way
NH
we are back to Morrison
BE
Oh – yes, I guess we should wrap up the splurge of positive comment on SuperKen this morning.
BE
First, that UBS note.
BE
Over-capitalised by at least £1bn
Morrison is over-capitalised by at least £1bn, and the preliminary results (10
March 2011) offer the scope for a substantial capital return and/or a material hike
in the dividend. In our view, Morrison’s balance sheet strength and ongoing cash
generative capabilities could support both, although we think the latter is
marginally more likely.
BE
Earnings enhancement unlikely to be eroded by de-rating
A capital return of £1bn would enhance earnings by c9% and, in our view, the risk
of this accretion being eroded by a de-rating appears minimal. The current rating
(11.0x December 2011E PE) already implies anaemic growth prospects, while the
extent of the over-capitalisation is such that higher gearing should reduce the group
WACC.
BE
Near-term operational challenges, but signs of pipeline construction
2011 looks set to be another tough year with muted like-for-like (LFL) sales,
limited new space and emerging cost pressures. Although Morrison should be able
to maintain margin momentum, we are reducing our forecasts by 2-4%, to reflect
near-term challenges. Looking further ahead, there is tentative evidence that
Morrison is re-building its space pipeline – investors should not write the business
off as “ex-growth”.
BE
And here’s Bernstein
BE
Morrisons’ de-rating, in our view, reflects a realization amongst investors that the long run growth of a
grocer exclusively focused on store-based food sales in the UK will be robust and steady, but below the
growth Morrisons delivered as it recovered from the challenging integration of Safeway (acquired in
2004).
NH
not if they buy Ocado
NH
that will inject some fun into the Morrison story
BE
Sh.
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And here’s Matrix.
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Oh – actually, Matrix doesn’t copy and paste. “Safe haven” is the gist.
BE
325p target.
BE
Ocado not mentioned.
Wm Morrison Supermarkets P L C (MRW:LSE): Last: 278.10, up 6.9 (+2.54%), High: 280.00, Low: 275.70, Volume: 6.41m
NH
oh well.
11:23AM
NH
Some interesting headlines coming across the wires
NH
UK PROSECUTORS CHARGE PAKISTAN CRICKETERS BUTT, AMIR AND ASIF OVER SPOT-FIXING
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and this
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now this sounds really bonkers
NH
11:19 04Feb11 RTRS-FINE GAEL WLD LOOK TO SECURE FUNDING FROM US FEDERAL RESERVE USING DOLLAR ASSETS OF IRISH BANKS AS SECURITY
BE
Eh?
NH
RTRS-IRISH MAIN OPPOSITION PARTY WANTS EFSF/EFSM RENEGOTIATED TO ALLOW THEM TAKE STAKES IN AIB, BANK OF IRELAND
BE
Eh?
NH
11:19 04Feb11 RTRS-FINE GAEL – ANOTHER OPTION WLD BE FOR IRELAND TO BUY “INSURANCE” FROM EU AGAINST FUTURE UNEXPECTED BANK LOSSES
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11:19 04Feb11 RTRS-FINE GAEL SAYS WANTS TO NEGOTIATE WITH EU/ECB TO FUND TRANSFER OF SECURE IRISH LOAN BOOKS INTO A SPV
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11:19 04Feb11 RTRS-FINE GAEL – TRANSFER OF IRISH LOAN BOOKS TO SPV MAY INVOLVE THE EU FUNDS BUYING LONG TERM BONDS TO FUND THE SPV
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and this lot
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will probably get in
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in the election
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TRS-FINE GAEL SAYS WOULD LOOK TO SELL ALLIED IRISH BANKS (AIB) TO A LARGE FOREIGN BANK
BE
Terrifying. They’re on another planet.
NH
I like the Fed idea
NH
RTRS-FINE GAEL WLD LOOK TO SECURE FUNDING FROM US FEDERAL RESERVE USING DOLLAR ASSETS OF IRISH BANKS AS SECURITY
NH
how do think Bernanke would feel about that?
BE
Yeah – please become the lender of last resort to the Irish. Because, you know, there are a lot of Paddy bars in New York and stuff.
BE
It’s a brilliant idea. Failsafe.
NH
SPV and Irish banks hmmmm
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insurance
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whose going to write that
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and what would be the premium?
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ambitious
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I’ll say that
BE
And I’m sure they would quite fancy selling Allied Irish to a big foreign bank, in the same way as I quite fancy winning the lottery on Saturday.
NH
EmoticonEmoticon
BE
Barking. Utterly barking.
11:28AM
NH
back to the retailer for a moment
NH
and some really really worrying news
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for the sector
NH
A second successive weekly year-on-year fall in John Lewis sales heightens concerns over the outlook for consumer spending. The slowdown in John Lewis sales is particularly notable as the company has been clearly out-performing the retail sector as a whole for some time.
NH
from 17.5% to 20.0%) and muted earnings growth squeezes their purchasing power. Growing concerns about the economic outlook are clearly fueling increased caution, as was evident in the slump in consumer confidence in January reported recently by GfK/NOP.

While concerns over the economy’s shock contraction in the fourth quarter of 2010 have been eased this week by survey evidence from the purchasing managers showing ongoing robust manufacturing activity in January and a bounce back in services and construction activity, the fact is that if consumers significantly rein in their spending this will markedly hold back growth this year.

NH
That’s from Howard Archer
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and if John Lewis are suffering
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the high street is doomed
BE
Middle-class belt tightening.
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not good
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not good at all
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as it happens
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Nick Bubb
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the retail watcher at Arden
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has cut all his retail target prices today
BE
Go on.
NH
Target Price cuts: Given the recent de-rating of the General Retail sector and the likelihood of continuing tough trading news through the rest of Q1, as evidenced by the recent sharp downturn in John Lewis weekly sales, we have been re-examining all our price targets and have pruned nearly all of them back.
NH
Our hierarchy of stocks is not affected and we are not making any recommendation changes or profit forecast changes at this stage, but this has the effect of:
NH
a) creating more downside potential in stocks that we are relatively negative on: thus we have cut our target on Home Retail (Reduce) from 210p to 185p and on Dunelm (Reduce) from 460p to 445p, given the continuing weak outlook for UK household goods spending. We still target no more than 450p on Carpetright (Sell).
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b) reducing the upside in stocks that we are relatively positive on, given either self-help measures or global exposure: thus we have cut our target on Marks & Spencer (Buy) from 440p to 420p, on Next (Add) from 2150p to 2050p and on Kingfisher (Add) from 280p to 265p.
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c) leaving many stocks looking little more than fairly valued, despite recent weakness: thus we have cut our target on Debenhams (Neutral) from 75p to 65p, cut Halfords (Neutral) from 420p to 405p, cut Dixons (Neutral) from 26p to 21p, cut Kesa (Neutral) from 140p to 125p and cut Mothercare (Neutral) from 570p to 535p.

BE
Right.
BE
Nevertheless, our favourite seller of ersatz Japanese-branded distressed leisurewear keeps motoring.
Supergroup PLC (SGP:LSE): Last: 1,617, up 87 (+5.69%), High: 1,631, Low: 1,550, Volume: 37.63k
NH
yep
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Bubb hasn’t downgraded that
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reckons its worth at least £19
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and he likes this deal
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they have announced today
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buying their European franchisee for Euro 40m
NH
): We mentioned yesterday that mighty SGP has a Q3 sales update on Wednesday next week and that rumours have persisted of a big US expansion move, so we weren’t expecting to see “European acquisition” headlines hit the screen at 7am today! SGP are buying out their European franchisee for Euro 40m, which represents an exit PE of under 8x, so it should be usefully earnings enhancing
NH
Interestingly, the head of the business Luc Clement is taking most of his consideration in shares, underlining his confidence in the upside in the share price and he will be joining the Group as European Franchising Director to spearhead the push into Italy, Spain and Germany and help the aim to open some flagship stores in major European cities. Before the upgrades on today’s move, the shares are trading on less than 25x the new-year and SGP still looks cheap on that basis versus ASOS (Sell). The shares have rallied 3% today to 1576p, but we still target at least 1900p.
NH
hmm
NH
that is cheap
NH
but why is it so cheap
NH
surely it should on the same rating as SuperGroup
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or at least close
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or perhaps
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that’s the right valuation for SuperGroup
BE
So this thing runs 29 outlets, of which 12 are owned
NH
er yes
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hang on
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I have some more detail in it
NH
via Seymour Pierce
NH
The acquisition of CNC will be significantly enhancing to earnings, will
enable the company to enjoy more of the upside from development in
France and Benelux and roll out flagship sites in the major shopping
centres in these markets. Following the upgrade, the stock is rated at
24.1x 2011/12 earnings and still looks undervalued relative to earnings
growth forecast and peer, Asos.
The French and Benelux partner is being acquired

NH
The company is acquiring CNC, its Benelux and French franchise and distributor
partner, for a total consideration of Eur40m, of which Eur7m will be payable in cash on completion and the remainder will be satisfied by the issue of c.2m ordinary shares. CNC currently manages 29 outlets, of which 12 are owned.
NH
The company expects to generate an extra Eur40m of sales from the acquisition and
consolidated profits to increase by Eur8m in the first full twelve months of trading.

We see the deal as being very positive. 1) The acquisition is significantly enhancing to earnings and has been transacted at just 5x prospective earnings reflecting the fact
that the distributor does not control the brand. 2) The existing local management
under the leadership of Luc Clement, who will be appointed as Head of European
franchising, are being retained within the business. 3) The acquisition will enable the
company to roll out company owned larger format stores based on its successful
Westfield concept in the company’s most developed European markets.

NH
2011/12 forecasts upgraded
Following this acquisition, we are retaining our 2010/11 pre-tax profit forecasts but
upgrading our 2011/12 pre-tax profit forecasts from £60m to £66.5m taking EPS up
by 8% from 58.5p to 63.4p. Post upgrade, the stock is rated at 24.1x 2011/12 earnings.
NH
(@Taxloss do you mean the “Carla Bruni of British politics”)
BE
Hm. You’re right. There’s a definite mismatch between the valuation of the predator and the prey.
BE
I do note, however, that the CEO, Luc Clement, will become head of European Franchising
BE
So maybe he was swayed by the title
NH
(It’s so sexy under Big Ben, says Speaker’s wife)
BE
You know. “Hello ladies, I’m head of European Franchising for Supergroup.”
BE
Perhaps.
BE
Anyway, before we move on from retail, finally.
BE
I guess we should note HMV
Hmv Group PLC (HMV:LSE): Last: 25.25, up 2.5 (+10.99%), High: 27.00, Low: 24.50, Volume: 6.36m
NH
oh yes
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Kleinmanwire overnight
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says the Russian has hired
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Credit Suisse
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to consider a break up
BE
Sure.
BE
Well, is that really price sensitive news?
BE
He’s under water.
NH
long and wrong
BE
And he’s brought in a few suits to try and dig him out.
NH
yep
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think the unthinkable
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bust the thing up
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etc
NH
I just don’t see how a break up works
NH
this business needs a cash call
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and then to be radically shrunk
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back to flagship stores
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a few waterstones
NH
and the live events stuff
BE
Also, let’s remember he has a 6% stake.
BE
He’s not in a position to take control without paying a premium.
BE
And can he pay a premium? Er …………
NH
and what happened to the last book shop he ran?
NH
Right
NH
quick bit of comment
NH
from Charles Stanley on this
NH
Our View: Sky News (who broke the JD Sports’ approach for JJB Sports earlier this week) reported last night that Alexander Mamut (with a 6% stake in HMV) has appointed Credit Suisse to examine a range of options in connection with his stake. This news should act as a boost for the shares today and act as a near-term valuation floor.
NH
We believe the report is highly credible, and concur with the broad thrust of the Sky News article that a break-up of Waterstone’s is one of many options being considered, but not necessarily the optimal strategy for Mr Mamut
NH
Apart from the well-documented and medium-term structural pressures from the internet and the supermarkets, HMV Group is suffering from more immediate pressing issues. The most pronounced is the recent removal of credit insurance and likely reduced supplier payment terms which could cause HMV’s working capital requirements to increase substantially. This could compound the already flagged possibility of a bank covenant breach.
NH
We have not performed a break-up value yet for the HMV Group, but think there are several critical issues in relationship to a sale of Waterstone’s. The exit for the buyer of Waterstone’s is not evident given the absence of trade buyers, whilst Waterstone’s scope for growth is very limited which makes an IPO unlikely. In addition, the grandfathering of the Waterstone’s leases in the event that the buyer were to close a large number of stores post acquisition is a major consideration. In short, we see a price for Waterstone’s of less than £50m, much lower than some commentators have postulated.
§ Valuation: HMV remains firmly in financially distressed territory, trading on an EV/Sales of less than 0.1x.
BE
(@Entellect: Never, I’d assume. Why would you apart from on some bobbins “hidden valuation” argument?)
BE
Right – are we done on retail?
NH
almost
NH
French Connection
NH
must just mention them
NH
flying this morning
BE
Suits for the accused.
French Connection Group PLC (FCCN:LSE): Last: 83.00, up 14 (+20.29%), High: 85.00, Low: 76.00, Volume: 681.12k
BE
Good numbers?
NH
yep
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expects to achieve pre-tax profits of £6.8m
NH
forecast was for £4.5m
NH
so something of a recovery
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and also I think
NH
of interest to Supergroup followers
NH
I see the company going the same way
NH
eventually
NH
anyway
NH
here’s Seymour Pierce on FCUK
NH
The company has put out a trading statement saying that is expected to achieve pre-tax profits of £6.8m well above our forecast of £4.5m and well above consensus. Management states that it has seen a strong performance in wholesaling reflecting a recovery in menswear and licensing while costs have been better managed than in previous years. Retail results were in line with management expectations despite the stores being on sale up to three weeks before Christmas.
NH
We are raising our pre-tax profit forecast from £4.5 to £7.0m taking EPS up from 3.4p to 5.3p and making a similar revision to our 2011/12 forecasts, £6.0m to £8.5m taking EPS up from 4.5p to 6.4p. We are upgrading the stock to BUY (last changed March 2010) to reflect 1) its low valuation, 13.0x 2010/11 earnings declining to 10.8x in the following year, 2) the strength of the company’s balance sheet, £29m of cash is forecast at the end of January 2011, and 3) the potential for developing the business overseas now that the company has cleared a number of the under performing legacy issues.
NH
oh
NH
and one more thing
NH
another reason to be bearish on retailer
NH
cotton
NH
The seemingly unstoppable rise of cotton prices continued yesterday with the price for March delivery hitting $1.8122 per pound at one point in New York. According to the Telegraph this is the highest level since the American Civil War and has been described as ‘panic buying’ by some. The price of cotton is up c.30% since mid-January and represents a gross margin headwind for the clothing retailers, although this is nothing new as the price of cotton has been rising for some time. However, further inflation is unlikely to help sentiment towards the clothing retailers, some of whom (particularly in the UK) are increasing prices by up to 10% for the new season.
NH
Panic buying of cotton?
BE
New one on me.
BE
Egypt a factor here?
NH
Egyptian cotton
NH
can’t quite afford that
NH
for my shirts
BE
So that’s 46 minutes, give or take, on retailers. I think it’s time to move on.
NH
yep
11:47AM
NH
Okay
NH
payrolls preview?
BE
Sure. What are we expecting?
NH
+146k
NH
whisper number
NH
much higher
NH
according to Tracy
NH
and something she CoTweeted earlier
NH
anyway
NH
here’s what RBS think
NH
The omens for Non-Farm payrolls look pretty good, with rises in the employment indices of the ISMs plus the more general backdrop of better data. However, it seems this is in the market and the true consensus is probably higher than the Bloomberg survey of economists (+146k for total, +145k for private; RBS +165k and +175k respectively) would suggest. Bill O’Donnell and John Briggs’ Non-Farm payroll survey certainly backs the view up; 71%% of respondents see the next 25bp in 5y yields as higher – the most bearish on record, back to 2005. The results also showed 36% of respondents buying a dip compared to 52% selling a rally. Doesn’t mean we can’t sell-off further on a strong number, but it does suggest the hurdle is a touch higher.

NH
Rabble
NH
can we have your educated gusses pls
BE
No prizes, beyond a feeling of smug satisfaction.
NH
that said
NH
I still have a bottle champers on the desk
NH
from the Ashes competition
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I never bothered to find a winner for
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so
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nearest rabble reader
NH
gets a bottle of
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Heidsieck Monopole
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Gold Top
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although
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Taxloss can’t win it
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even if he gets it right
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cause them are the rules
NH
I have made up
11:50AM
NH
Right
NH
where now?
BE
Banks?
NH
Ok
NH
heard a good rumour at lunch yesterday
Lloyds Banking Group plc (LLOY:LSE): Last: 63.40, up 0.3998 (+0.63%), High: 63.57, Low: 62.89, Volume: 53.82m
NH
apparently the new man
NH
might go for 100% loan to deposit ratio
BE
Blimey.
BE
Really?
NH
RAW
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH
only a rumour
NH
I don’t believe it
NH
but I think António Horta-Osório
NH
the new hearthrob of the UK banking sector
NH
is going to reduce the LTD ratio
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quite a bit
NH
120%
NH
according to Merrill
NH
loan to deposit ratio
NH
is something Horta-Osório
NH
he puts a lot of emphasis on
NH
New management, new model?
Ever since António Horta-Osório was appointed, there has been a question mark
over whether the new CEO would maintain previous management targets. Whilst
we had been sceptical that this would be the case, we now think it is entirely
plausible that new management may look to do things differently. In this report we
benchmark Lloyds against Santander UK. We shift our forecasts to allow for a
much lower loan to deposit ratio and lower costs – we think Lloyds can get to the
same 15% ROE goal, but using a more conservative balance sheet structure.
NH
Modelling a 120% loan to deposit ratio…
Santander UK (SAN) had a loan to deposit ratio of 128% at 1H10 versus 159% at
Lloyds. It is clear that the former SAN CEO places a lot of emphasis on this ratio
and its prudent positioning. Having previously modelled the 140% target, in this
report we have altered our forecasts to capture a lower 120% – as a result we have
lowered our long term margin estimates to 2.2%-2.3% and cut ‘13e NII by £1.5bn.
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…and a further £500mn cost cuts
Lloyds had a 45% cost income ratio at the end of 1H10 versus 39% at SAN. We
think any balance sheet restructuring could be part financed by further cost cuts
and we factor in an increase in the cost synergies to £2.5bn (was £2bn). As a
result the cost income ratio still falls towards 40%, hitting 41% by 2012e.
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Downgrading EPS by c10-15%; take PO to 100p (was 110p)
Reflecting the significant balance sheet changes we have reduced our EPS
forecasts and our PO to 100p – we remain above consensus. Whilst performance
may well now be 2H11 weighted, if Lloyds can get to a 15% ROE (with a more
conservative balance sheet) investors should rerate the shares, in our view.
Lloyds Banking Group plc (LLOY:LSE): Last: 63.38, up 0.38 (+0.60%), High: 63.57, Low: 62.89, Volume: 55.64m
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(ROTR: no, we don’t mean mortgage loan ratios.)
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We mean the LTD
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that’s the one
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commonly used statistic for assessing a bank’s liquidity by dividing the banks total loans by its total deposits. This number, also known as the LTD ratio, is expressed as a percentage. If the ratio is too high, it means that banks might not have enough liquidity to cover any unforseen fund requirements; if the ratio is too low, banks may not be earning as much as they could be.
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and obviously that has a big impact on earnings
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although
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it arguably makes the bank safer
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and might help it get a better rating
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given that most investors seem to be scared of buying into a bad
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anyway
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interesting I though
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Yeah – true. And helps flesh out some of the whispers that have been affecting Lloyds in recent weeks.
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those whispers again
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can’t get away from them
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elsewhere in the banks
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Barclays up
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on the back of JPMorgan
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 308.00, up 7.1 (+2.36%), High: 308.75, Low: 301.55, Volume: 13.38m
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Barclays will announce FY 2010 results on Tuesday 15th February at 7.00am, followed by a conference call at 11.00am which can be accessed on 0845 401 9092 (UK), +1 866 270 1711 (US).
• We expect headline EPS of 26.1p for FY 2010E, with total clean income of £30.3bn and PBT before exceptional items of £6.1bn. We forecast a DPS of 5p for FY10E, i.e. 2p for Q4 and we expect the market to focus on the following three main areas of these results;
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• 1. Restructuring Plan – As we wrote in our recent report JPM – Barclays: A Road Map to Higher Profitability – 17 Jan 2011, the market is
expecting the group to outline how it expects to achieve higher levels of profitability going forwards. Based on our analysis, Barclays needs to significantly restructure Barclays Capital to get to CoE returns, and make further changes to the Continental Europe retail and corporate business in order to get closer to a Group 15% RoNAV. We will pay close attention to what they say in this regard, and the time frame for any changes. In our view, the first changes would involve an accelerated run-off of credit market assets which could save up to £40bn RWAs, although there would be a cost associated – a potential £4bn capital saving against a cost of up to £3bn net on our estimates.
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• 2. Barclays Capital Q4 Performance – with the US banks having reported relatively disappointing Q4 revenues in fixed income (-40% QoQ) we are more positive and expect Q4 revenues of £2,716mn, down 4% QoQ within which FICC revenues down 8% QoQ at £1,790mn. The market will try to extraopolate the new quarterly revenue run rate compared to the current £3.8bn level. On costs we are expecting a Q4 cost income ratio of 65%, with a comp to income ratio of 37%.
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actually
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at this lunch yesterday
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we had a debate
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about the return on equity
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a bank can make going foward
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as an aside
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and the figs from Barclays will be interesting
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what will Bob do
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set up a bad bank?
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how does he wean BarCap off fixed income
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where revenues are now in the doldrums
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He sacks lots of people, I assume.
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Though that won’t be cheap.
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no
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and one more thing on the banks
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from Olivetree
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just looking forward
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to this evenings EU summit
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EUROPEAN BANKS – EU Stability Fund – A key weekend – we remain cautious

– EU Leaders meet this weekend to flesh out discussions on the stability fund – market has seemingly priced in a positive resolution.
– Market seems to be pricing in following:
* EFSF able to disburse full E440b (rather than c.E250b currently) due to additional guarantees.
* Ability for stability fund to help countries buy back debt allowing Greece to potentially reduce debt burden.
* Reduction in debt costs for Ireland (5.8%) and Greece (5%) allowing greater fiscal flexibility.
* Potential for EFSF to provide credit lines direct to countries and providing Portugal with stability funds.
* Tougher fiscal policy rules set for Eurozone.
– Considering that EU Banks rallied 11% from January lows, outperforming the market by 7.5% we think alot of the potential announcements priced in.
– In particular with the sector on 8x 2012 EPS and 1.1x TBV facing downgrades across Southern Europe, higher wholesale funding costs and higher capital requirements we believe the valuations are not as attractive as they initially appear and would be wary of being dragged into the current rally.

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K. Thanks.
12:00PM
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What else
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more director share selling at ARM
Arm Holdings Public Limited Company (ARM:LSE): Last: 578.50, up 3.5 (+0.61%), High: 588.00, Low: 578.50, Volume: 1.28m
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ARM Holdings plc (the “Company”) announces the following dealings in the Company’s shares by Directors as set out in the table below:

Number Number Current
of share Option of Sale total
options price shares price resultant
Name exercised (pence) sold Date (pence) shareholding
Warren East
CEO 290,000 03.02.11 574.69 714,279*
——– ——— ——– ————-
Tim Score
CFO 197,250 03.02.11 581.50 86,053*
——– ——— ——– ————-
Tudor 2,091 335.0p 2,091 03.02.11 577.50 736,045*
Brown 189,860 580.11
President

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No biggie. They always sell after the annual results.
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true
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and who can blame them
BE
Exactly.
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right
Cable & Wireless Worldwide PLC (CW.:LSE): Last: 77.45, up 4.45 (+6.10%), High: 77.50, Low: 72.75, Volume: 4.54m
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bid rumours again
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AT&T
BE
Is that the story? No-one seemed to have a clear idea this morning.
NH
yeah
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apparently it was knocking about a few weeks ago
BE
And we’ve been through the pros and cons of that story many times.
NH
true
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In short: it’d be a handy bullwark for AT&T in Europe but the customer base looks all wrong.
NH
and let’s not forget
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C&W
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generates no cash
BE
Though management’s incentivised to flog the thing.
BE
Much more so than run the thing, it could be argued.
BE
Otherwise in the sector (sort of)
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true, very true
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massive option programme
BE
Spirent rising after decent numbers from Ixia and JDSU overnight.
Spirent Communications PLC (SPT:LSE): Last: 156.20, up 9 (+6.11%), High: 161.60, Low: 147.50, Volume: 597.54k
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Ok
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and we also have Cairn Energy
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under a bit of pressure
Cairn Energy PLC (CNE:LSE): Last: 426.00, down 12 (-2.74%), High: 439.90, Low: 424.20, Volume: 1.76m
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What’s the story?
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Shares in Cairn Energy fall 2.6 percent, topping the list of FTSE 100 <.FTSE> fallers, after a media report raised concerns over the sale of its majority stake in its local unit, Cairn India , to Vedanta Resources .
“Cairn Energy is being knocked by rumours from India that Vedanta may walk away from the Cairn India offload,” says Mic Mills, head of electronic trading at ETX Capital.
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Citing persons with direct knowledge of the matter, the Economic Times of India reported that Vedanta Resources will terminate the $9.6-billion Cairn-Vedanta deal if Cairn India accepts the oil ministry’s conditions such as changing the royalty obligations in the Rajasthan block.
The report says Vedanta has also objected to the ministry proposal to ask Cairn India to accept the government position in cases where the company has initiated arbitration.
Vedanta is not immediately available for comment.
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Citing persons with direct knowledge of the matter
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look
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they have those people in India
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not just the UK
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The Emoticon with direct knowledge of the matter?
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Yes, they get everywhere.
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and Cairn
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need the cash
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to they can waste it all
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looking for oil off Greenland
BE
Though doesn’t that Economic Times of India report look more like government negotiation brinksmanship?
BE
As in, “if you change royalty obligations, we’re walking.”
NH
it does
12:07PM
BE
Already through midday
BE
Do we have time for some HPC2011?
NH
yes
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but it’s not good news
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I am afraid
NH
The Halifax unexpectedly reported that house prices rose by 0.8% month-on-month in January.
NH
but then
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December was weak
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because of THE SNOW
BE
Plus January’s deathly anyway.
BE
And it’s an illiquid market to start with.
BE
So this is, basically, irrelevant.
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yep
BE
Someone in Basingstoke sold a semi. That distorted the figures.
NH
this isn’t though, house prices were still down by 0.7% in the three months to January compared to the three months to October
NH
Some Archer?
BE
Sure.
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The Halifax unexpectedly reported that house prices rose by 0.8% month-on-month in January. This was probably at least partly a correction after a sharp 1.3% month-on-month fall in December, which could well have been influenced by particularly weak housing market activity due to the weather. In fact, house prices were still down by 0.7% in the three months to January compared to the three months to October. Furthermore, house prices fell by 2.4% year-on-year in the three months to January. House prices were actually down by 2.5% year-on-year in January itself (the Halifax prefers to highlight the three-month year-on-year house price rate to smooth out erratic movements).
NH
The Halifax house price index has actually been pretty volatile over the past few months showing significant fluctuations around a modestly declining trend. On the Halifax measure, house prices peaked at £168,433 in March 2010 and were down to £162,803 by the end of 2010 before climbing back up to £164,173 in January. Consequently, house prices in January were 2.5% below their March 2010 peak.

House prices can be volatile not only from month to month but from survey to survey. Indeed., the Halifax data contrast with the Nationwide reporting that house prices fell 0.1% month-on-month in January. With the exception of December when prices rose by 0.4%, house prices have been falling or flat very month since May 2010 on the Nationwide measure. Consequently, house prices fell 1.1% year-on-year in January, which was the first annual drop since August 2009.

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and a bit more
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from Archer
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on new car sales
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down 11.5% year on year
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in Jan
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seventh successive decline
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less than the 18.0% year-on-year drop seen in December, however
NH
but that was down to THE SNOW of course
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The Society of Motor Manufacturers (SMMT) reported that new car registrations fell by 11.5% year-on-year in January to stand at 128,811 units. This was the seventh successive decline, and less than the 18.0% year-on-year drop seen in December (when sales were likely affected by the severe weather stopping people getting out to garages and car showrooms). Of course, car sales a year earlier were being fuelled by the car scrappage scheme.

It is notable that just as private sales led car sales in the second half of 2009 and the early months of 2010 while the car scrappage scheme was in place, they are now seeing by far the greatest softness. This reflects the serious pressure that households are under. Indeed, private car sales were down 20.8% year-on-year in January at 51,570 units.

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consumer confidence
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seem to me
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to be awful right now
BE
True.
BE
You can’t should “AUSTERITY!” at people for nine solid months and expect them to remain chipper.
NH
nope
12:12PM
NH
Someone was asking about Actelion
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Oh gwad.
NH
Dow Jones cites Bank Sarasin as saying a bid is unlikely, despite hedge fund pressure, as the patent expiry of Tracleer in 2015 could hold off potential acquirers.
NH
quite cheeky this Elliott letter
NH
they are presumably long and wrong
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got involved in a pre-event deal
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and now want management sacked
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because they won’t sell the company
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the new face of shareholder activism
BE
Yeah. Sending passive-aggressive notes because they have the buyer’s remorse.
BE
Not a huge amount of sympathy for their argument.
BE
And Sarasin’s right, I suspect. This one’s just going to keep rumbling.
BE
Difficult to imagine an endgame coming any time soon.
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let’s destroy a business
NH
because we are long and wrong
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and the fact that Actelion
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has one drug
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and is a bit of dog
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was known
NH
well before the bid stories kicked off
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buyer beware
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anyway
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I suspect the chairman won’t budge on this
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and if there was a bidder
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why step up to the plate now?
BE
No point, agree.
12:16PM
BE
Ok
BE
Very quick smallcap corner, than we have to wrap up.
BE
As we’re busy this afternoon.
NH
yes
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we are
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new small cap column to do
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wow we
BE
Yes – do buy your weekend FT for that please.
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And buy some watches as well, needless to say.
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Buy lots of watches.
BE
Right – smallcaps.
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Ok small cap wise
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been looking at Pursuit Dynamics again
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following a piece in the Times
Pursuit Dynamics PLC (PDX:LSE): Last: 370.00, up 4.25 (+1.16%), High: 377.25, Low: 362.50, Volume: 233.53k
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Evil Knievil was at it again yesterday.
Still neck-deep in an increasingly acrimonious dispute about the prospects for Pursuit Dynamics, the bear raider Simon Cawkwell sank his claws into Asos.
Picking up on research by CFRA, part of MSCI, the company behind the indices, the accountant declared himself none too impressed with a scheme to reward the online fashion retailer’s management.
Under its incentive plan, Asos directors were granted a 6 per cent interest in Asos.com, a wholly owned subsidiary of the listed company, in which all of its operating companies are held.
Evil and CFRA argued that a plan instigated without shareholder approval effectively amounted to a free award potentially worth £63 million that had the added benefit of flattering Asos’s margins by ostensibly keeping remuneration nailed down.
NH
now there’s a rumour doing the rounds
NH
that Pursuit are going to sue Evil
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for £200m
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that being
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the amount of money he’s knocked off the market cap
BE
Why on earth would Pursuit do that?
NH
A smear campaign about past business dealings of Pursuit’s chief executive, Roel Piper, has been played out on internet bulletin boards throughout.

So fed up is Pursuit that it has asked the Financial Services Authority to investigate whether its share price, 22¾p better at 365¾p yesterday on confirmation of a joint venture with the National Nuclear Laboratory, has been manipulated.

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“Hello Mr Cawkwell, here’s a huge amount of free publicity for your deramp.”
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yep
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and Evil would love it
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his day in court
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against Pursuit
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a chance to drag the company through the mud
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very bad idea
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and as JWpropacc says
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a nailed on EmoticonEmoticon
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anyway
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this is only a rumour
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and I don’t really believe they would do it
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interesting though
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as is that Asos report
Asos PLC (ASC:LSE): Last: 1,634, up 33 (+2.06%), High: 1,651, Low: 1,607, Volume: 154.34k
BE
I used to get CFRA stuff.
NH
any good?
BE
Might have fallen off their list. Yeah, it’s worth reading.
BE
It’s a bit like reading an autopsy.
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(oh dear Swedes, can you send that to me in an emai. will fwd to sales)
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you’re not selling it to me
BE
Yeah, well, it’s very dry and analytical. Aimed at accountants really, and rarely capable of moving a price.
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right
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i need to head out
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off to Citigroup for lunch
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before I go
NH
the media bitch fight over Lionel’s speech continues
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with this cheap shot
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FT’s Barber gets cut up over ICB ‘conflict’

FT editor Lionel Barber’s Monday night lecture on journalistic ethics continues to raise eyebrows – and the odd hackle.

Broadly, he suggested other newspapers had been seduced by the dark side while he was pretty in pink. It seems not everyone agrees with him. A word on the ethics and conflicts of interest at work within FT towers reaches me.The issue is why the FT’s pocket battleship columnist Martin Wolf was allowed to join the Independent Commission on Banking. It’s all too much for at least one banking chief exec. “Lionel should never have allowed it,” he says. “It is a horrible conflict. It drives me crazy. We have had to give him confidential document after confidential document.”

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Oh dear.
BE
Are they serious?
BE
Having Martin Wolf on the payroll (and not writing about banking) is a conflict of interest?
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i know
BE
And doesn’t the Telegraph have Boris Johnson as a columnist?
BE
With some quite similar (ie. nonexistent) conflicts, given he’s mayor and stuff?
BE
Anyway, I think that’s it for today’s show.
BE
And indeed the week.
BE
Let’s wrap up.
BE
So thanks for all your comments.
NH
cya
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