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Markets Live transcript 6 Dec 2010

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:20 on 6 Dec 2010. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT bryce.elder

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hola Rabble
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welcome to Markets Live
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an hour of lively markets chat
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and yes I am back
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and can see again
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which is nice
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Bryce is here
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and he’s not happy
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Yeah. Actually, I don’t want to do this today.
NH
why?
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No point.
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Companies can sit on bid approaches.
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Even when the shares go up 15%
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Even when we report the rumours both here and in the paper.
NH
you mean De La Rue
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I do. Yes.
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pretty disgraceful
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10% move last week
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on heavy volume
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bid rumours
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and no statement
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Yup – you have to ask …..
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Where were the panel in this?
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They will have made the call.
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Because, what else are they there for?
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So …..
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What did De La Rue say?
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Why was there no statement?
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It makes no sense.
NH
i suspect what everyone involved will say
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it was a highly conditional approach
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that the management rejected
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therefore as there was no prospect of an offer being made
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they didn’t have to say anything
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and also
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we did have the wrong bidder
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we said Melrose
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True.
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but in fact it is the French
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still
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I have seen statement flushed out
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even when the bidder is wrong
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Lavendon, for example.
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Even though that one took a bloody week.
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and what makes it worse
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is that De La Rue’s PR advisers
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Brunswick
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were peddaling positive notes to City hacks last week
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one from Merrill
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another from Collins Stewart
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now I guess that was just coincidence
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because surely they can’t have know about the bid approach
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We have to assume Brunswick didn’t know about the approach.
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Mushrooms.
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Clueless Emoticon
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kept in the dark
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and then have manure sholved on them
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What a brilliant advertisment for the City and its regulatory powers this is.
NH
anyway, the message coming back from the De La Rue’s EmoticonEmoticon
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is that management won’t recommend anything that doesn’t start with 900p a share
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which many analysts believe is fantasy
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because given the recent printing problems
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and the risk it’s biggest customer
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the Reserve Bank of India could walk
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“Management” want 900p? They don’t have a CEO ….
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I know
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they deserve to be taken out
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because of the bungled way they have handled this bid
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and the printing problems
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right
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some comment
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first Panmure
NH
De La Rue has confirmed it has received a bid approach, which a number of
newspapers believe is from French competitor Oberthur. Rumoured to be
around the 750-800p level (and all cash), we believe this represents a fair level
given our ongoing concerns regarding reputational damage. As we await
further details, we switch our recommendation from Sell to Hold and raise
our Target Price from 470p to 800p.
NH
Bid Approach: Bidder’s identity as yet unconfirmed by anyone but this morning’s
newspapers, though 3 articles all naming competitor Oberthur suggests some truth
behind it. The rumoured level of the approach is alleged to be in cash, and in the region
of 750-800p, so a material premium to Friday’s close and one which we believe
represents a realistic take-out level given the possibility of significant reputational damage
in the wake of the falsification of production standards.
NH
What next? We have suspected for some time that any interest in De La Rue would only
come from a competitor given the problems any private equity firm would face in due
diligence given the nature of the business, and despite the market position and scarcity of
the asset we believe it unlikely this will become a bidding war. The accuracy of reports
on 750-800p needs as always to be taken with a pinch of salt until confirmed, though a
material premium to this – in our opinion – looks unlikely given the recent trading
update.
NH
Valuation & Recommendation: At 800p, De La Rue would trade on over 10.5x recent
peak earnings (to March 2010), earnings we have serious doubts could be replicated in
the short to medium term. On current forecasts this multiple would rise to 35.7x to
March 2011, dropping to 28.2x – a more than generous valuation given the
unquantifiable risk of reputational damage as its current order book unwinds and new
contracts come up for negotiation. We see little possibility that there will be anything but
margin pressure, and that there remains a more than decent chance of its largest client
terminating its current contract given the length of time negotiations over production
problems have been under way. We switch our recommendation to Hold (Sell) and
target price to 800p (470p).
NH
and something from Merrill
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DLAR has confirmed that it has received a “highly preliminary and opportunistic
approach” and that it is highly preliminary and no certainty that it will lead to an
approach. Sky News ran a story on Friday evening suggesting that the potential
bidder is Oberthur and that it may follow on with a fresh offer.
Sky News reported that an offer was made from Oberthur (one of the other 2
privately-owned banknote printers) in the “past few weeks” that it values DLAR at
£750mn (760p per share), or ~15% above Friday’s close
NH
As a reminder we believe that, fair value on our base case (ie the largest paper
manufacturing client) is 710p, based upon 12x earnings, but applying a 14x
multiple (closer to its U/L TSR of ~15%) would imply fair value of 820p.
Our bull case, which assumes that their largest customer stays and its business
as usual, suggests fair value of 830p, again assuming 14x EPS as opposed to
our 12x gives 970p
We would also highlight that there would likely be significant synergies achieved
through combining two fairly similar businesses with a high levels of fixed costs.
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as for as rivals go
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Oberthur is one
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they are the number three player
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there is also a number 2 player
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not sure who that is
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and De La Rue are number one
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or were
11:15AM
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Wider market then?
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(@Vintage: you’re xenophobic. Take it to dailymail.co.uk)
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So – FTSE?
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not doing a great deal
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down 2.9 points at 5,742
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market seems tired after last week’s rollercoaster ride
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as for the sov debt market
NH
here are the latest CDS prices
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Markit iTraxx Europe 107.25bp (+0.25), Markit iTraxx Crossover 471bp (+3.5)
Markit iTraxx SovX Western Europe 183.5bp (+4.5)
Markit iTraxx Senior Financials 155.5bp (+7)
Sovereigns – Greece 900bp (+13), Spain 310bp (+11), Portugal 440bp (+8), Italy 220bp (+9), Ireland 560bp (+19), Belgium 192bp (+12), France 94bp (+5)
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and spreads
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-SPANISH 10-YEAR BOND YIELD FALLS TO 4.997 PCT, LOWEST LATE NOVEMBER
11:03 03Dec10 -SPANISH/GERMAN 10-YEAR GOVERNMENT BOND YIELD SPREAD TIGHTENS FURTHER TO 215 BPS, NARROWEST SINCE NOV. 23
11:08 03Dec10 -BUND FUTURE FALLS TO 126.16, DOWN 31 TICKS ON DAY, LOWEST SINCE MID-MAY
11:10 03Dec10 -GERMAN 10-YEAR BOND YIELD RISES TO 2.887 PCT, HIGHEST SINCE MID-MAY
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and let’s have a look at the euro
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while we are here
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that’s trading at $1.3261
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(@opamp: good point. De La Rue means “to the street” in French doesn’t it?)
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there’s a couple of big eurozone meetings this week
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that could move the market
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although eveyone seems to be playing down rumours that the EFSS could be enlarged
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RTRS-GERMAN GOVT SPOKESMAN SAYS GERMANY REJECTS EURO ZONE BONDS
10:33 06Dec10 RTRS-GERMAN GOVT SPOKESMAN GERMANY HAS GREAT INTEREST IN GROWTH OF STABILITY OF EURO
10:34 06Dec10 RTRS-GERMAN GOVT SPOKESMAN GERMANY FEELS COMMITTED TO EURO; IF EURO FAILS EUROPE WILL FAIL
10:34 06Dec10 RTRS-GERMAN GOVT SPOKESMAN SAYS EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD AND NECESSARY FOR EURO WILL BE DONE
10:35 06Dec10 RTRS-GERMAN GOVT SPOKESMAN SAYS GERMANY SEES ABSOLUTELY NO NECESSITY FOR AN INCREASE OF SIZE OF EU RESCUE FUNDS
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Eurozone bonds
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now that was floated in the FT today
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Jean-Claude Juncker and Giulio Tremonti
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but that seems to have been smacked by the Germans
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who as we all know
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make the rules in Europe now
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and while we are in Europe
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interesting story in the Irish Times
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Go on.
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PIMCO CEO sees Ireland abandoning the EUR with 5 years. Says Portugal, Spain
will need to draw on bailout funds – Irish Times
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The euro zone region’s inability to fund future bailouts will probably force some of the 16 euro nations, including Ireland, to abandon the currency within five years, the head of the world’s largest bond management firm has warned.

Mohamed A El-Erian, chief executive of investment management firm Pacific Investment Management Company (Pimco), told CNBC that Spain and Portugal are likely follow Ireland in drawing on the European Union’s bailout fund.

Mr El-Erian, whose company has more than $1 trillion under management said the EU has not taken control of the crisis.

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“The first rule of crisis management hasn’t been met by the Europeans, and that is to get ahead of the crisis, be seen as proactive rather than reactive,” Mr El-Erian told CNBC.

“As long as they’re being seen as reactive we’re going to have a slow-motion wreck going on on in Europe. We’re going to wake up and it’s going to be a new country we’re talking about.”

Mr El-Erian warned that continuing solvency problems would undermine any hopes of recovery.

“Unless we see more than just liquidity support, unless we see something that deals with the balance sheets, expect this contagion to go up,” he said.

NH
there you are
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the punt is going to make a come bacl
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(Shaunr – German bond yields are infected)
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Stable door. Horse. Etc.
NH
true
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back to stocks?
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Sure.
11:22AM
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Xstrata leading us up at the moment.
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Guessing this is on the latest Glencore update.
NH
yeah
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they are going to float
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will be valued at £30bn
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unless they run a dual track process
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and decide to merge with Xstrata at the last minute
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which is very possible
Xstrata Plc (XTA:LSE): Last: 1,428, up 38 (+2.73%), High: 1,435, Low: 1,402, Volume: 4.99m
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of course
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if Glencore are about to float
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so that there partners can cash in
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it could be time to sell commods
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a real top of the market sign, no?
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You might argue that.
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I certainly wouldn’t want to buy from Glencore
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I’d feel like a mug
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But it’s hardly an opportunistic cashing out.
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depends how you look at it
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they have no one way of paying the partners what they are owned
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so they have to float
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not sure that’s the best reason to seek a market listing
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certainly makes me feel nervous
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Hm. Think the rehabilitation of Glencore has been handled rather well over the past couple of years.
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once a trading house
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always a trading house
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Tarting it up for public life, making it a bit more transparent.
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Though – yes – I agree it’s an inherently ….. curious …. business.
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(Choosing words very carefully.)
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still in the mining sector
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M&A junkie Rio Tinto
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is back on the deal making trial
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offered AUD3.5bn for Riversdale Mining
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coking coal developer
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You just can’t stop Tom Albanese ….
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You probably should, yet …..
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yes
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he should be stopped
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it won’t be long before he’s trying to spend a serious amount on something
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Has any blue-chip CEO been responsible for quite so much value destruction while remaining in the job?
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That’s an open question, ROTR.
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Anyway, do we have any comment?
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hang on
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we have a bit
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and note
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coal is a hot commod at the moment
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The press reported over the weekend that Rio Tinto has made a £2bn bid for
Riversdale Mining – a coking coal developer. Riversdale core projects are located in
the Tete province of Mozambique with a total coal resource of 13 billion tonnes, of
which around 30% is premium coking coal, whose quality is equal to that of the
Bowen Basin in Queensland, Australia. With only a 6% premium to the Riversdale’s
Friday closing price, we expect to see a higher second bid from Rio, which has a
higher likelihood of success.
NH
Huge resources of high quality coking coal as well as great location for shipping the
coal to India and China has attracted Rio Tinto to Mozambique, which is shaping up
as a the next main coking coal exporting region, with forecast global share of
seaborne coking coal of just under 20% in 2025. Other big players with coal licenses
in the province include Vale, ENRC, Nippon Steel, Jindal and ETAStar. We also
would like to point the attention towards the only producer in the region, Beacon Hill
Resource, which is set to expand production to produce in excess of 2Mpta in
saleable coal in 2012, generating over $200m in revenue at current prices.
NH
and here’s something from Merrill
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According to Riversdale (RIV AU), an Australian mid-cap coking coal producer,
Rio Tinto has approached them with an A$15/sh bid which would value the
company at about A$3.5 bn (about US$3.6bn). RIV shares today traded through
this level. A controlling shareholder has been quoted in the press as saying he
wouldn’t sell for less than A$20/sh.
NH
Riversdale is currently developing the Benga open cut coal project in the coal-rich
Moatize Basin of Mozambique, and expects to export 6 million tons of hard coking
coal and 2 million tons of thermal coal from Port Beira by late-2010.
RIV acquired Moatize tenements in 2006 and is on the cusp of first production
(end-2011), with a 10mtpa target by 2014/15, underpinned by ~11bn tonnes of
coal resources, providing RIV a multi-decade development/growth opportunity. By
2025, Mozambique is projected to account for ~20% of the seaborne met coal
market (55mtpa), and RIV’s contribution could potentially account for 20-25mtpa.
Riversdale is one of several companies exploring the coal reserves in Tete,
regarded as one of the last large unexploited coal basins in the world. The
company’s Mozambique tenement areas comprise 22 licences, positioning the
company as the largest tenement holder in the Tete Moatize area, with an
extensive area capable of supporting long-life-mine operations
NH
The tenement is
held in joint venture with Indian steel giant Tata Steel, which holds a 35% interest.
Inasmuch as this is a “bolt on” sized transaction we don’t view it as particularly
material for Rio but perhaps slightly positive in terms of creating new optionality in
a new, promising mineral basin. While an earnings accretion analysis on stage 1
suggests that the transaction would be near term earnings dilutive (on current
share price: -0.5% dilution on 2013E EPS, at A$20: -0.7% dilution on 2013E
EPS), we assume that Rio, if they are looking at RIV, would be having an eye to
longer term expansions. Apparently, the various mines could easily support
expansions up to 20 Mtpa.
Rio Tinto PLC (RIO:LSE): Last: 4,400, down 16.5 (-0.37%), High: 4,425, Low: 4,369, Volume: 1.20m
11:32AM
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So. No point in avoiding it any more.
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To the Falklands.
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Where it seems there’s not quite as much oil as previously thought.
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First …. a reminder.
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yeah let’s do it
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OK
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here’s what the boss man at Desire said on Thursday
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Commenting on the well, Stephen Phipps Chairman of Desire said, “It is highly encouraging that the initial results from the Rachel North well endorse both our findings and geological model from the previously drilled Rachel sidetrack well. This discovery combined with Rockhoppers’ Sea Lion discovery confirms our belief that the eastern flank play fairway in the North Falkland Basin is highly prospective and that further oil fields will be discovered in this area”.
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and now
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today’s news
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Commenting on the well, Stephen Phipps Chairman of Desire said:

“Having seen the highly encouraging results from the first logs, the LWD, PEX and CMR, on this well, plus accompanying oil shows, it is extremely disappointing that the subsequent wireline logs and fluids sampling have dashed all the earlier promise of this being Desire’s first oil discovery in the North Falkland Basin. Despite this setback, the presence of hydrocarbons and good reservoir development have been identified in a number of the Rachel fan sands and we therefore continue to believe in the prospectivity of the East Flank Play fairway for future oil discoveries.”

NH
(thanks Monty)
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Right. So it took Stephen Phipps four days to turn oil into water.
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He’s a miracle worker.
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reverse alchemy
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anyway a couple of things worth noting here
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first the sector watcher warned everyone
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that the oil was spread over 8 sections
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and was probably uncommericals
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Phipps either ignored that
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or is…
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and furthermore
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even after today’s slump
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this thing is massively overvalued
Desire Petroleum Plc (DES:LSE): Last: 71.50, down 61.75 (-46.34%), High: 77.25, Low: 66.25, Volume: 37.76m
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So this thing is valued at ……
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£242m.
NH
yep
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Emoticon
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crazy
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£75m of cash
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which will be spent on more drilling
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and loads of hope value
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why?
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what has this company ever done to suggest it will find oil?
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what?
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The acreage is quite big, I guess.
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It’s a play on surface area.
NH
whatever
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still not worth a quarter of a billion
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No argument there.
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actually there is
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the sector watcher is being on weakness
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amazingly
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The roller-coaster lurches down again for DES as the Rachel North-1 well surprises as a dry hole. Only last Thursday the group had said that preliminary data from the well indicated that it was an oil discovery. However testing of the 57 metres of perceived net pay has shown that the identified mobile fluid was water and not oil. The well will now be plugged and abandoned, and then the rig will move to the Dawn/Jacinta location for spudding within the next couple of weeks. This is a high-risk, twin-objective well, with Chances of Success of 8% and 6% respectively
NH
Aside from the disappointment of the well result, I imagine that the competence of management may also be called into question, given the newsflow over the space of the last few days. I wouldn’t give up quite yet, the group still has sufficient cash to drill Dawn/Jacinta and then a further well. From RKH’s perspective (it has 7.5% of Rachel North) the news is much less material, but nevertheless a small negative. However one possible small piece of good news – RKH may now be given a rig-slot when Dawn/Jacinta finishes around end-January, to give DES more time to digest all its recent drilling news. I’d buy both stocks on weakness today.
NH
Management may be called into question
NH
I’ll say
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Management certainly needs to get a share of the blame. But the muppet fraternity who pumped this thing up to the stratosphere need to have a look at themselves as well.
A term of endearment used to describe BB share promoters on FT Alphaville.
BE
Meanwhile, here’s some more comment.
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From Goldman Sachs
NH
excellent
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Analysis
The result is a disappointment, especially following the encouraging
announcement from last week. The good reservoir encountered in a
number of fans is a positive for the potential of the basin as a whole, but
the fact that a second oil discovery has not been made is a negative as
further oil discoveries in the area on top of Rockhopper’s earlier Sealion
discovery, will de-risk the chances of commercialization in the view of the
market (although we would regard Rockhopper’s Sealion as commercial in
its own right). We would expect this result to be a material negative for
Desire, especially following the good performance following the previous
announcement. Rockhopper has a smaller (7.5%) stake in the asset.
BE
Implications
We currently value the Rachel prospect at 9p/share for Desire and 3p /
share for Rockhopper. However, following last week’s positive reaction, we
would expect the reaction to the downside to be greater today. Our price
target is under review.
NH
I have something from Matrix
NH
they are disappointed too
NH
Rachel North – major disappointment, main sand is primarily water bearing not oil bearing

· Revision of water resistivity parameters indicates that the main 8m sand has only residual oil and that the mobile fluid is water. The deeper sands are still interpreted to be oil bearing, but those are thin and poor quality sandstones.

· Desire has about £75m cash at the moment (a little less after all Rachel North expenses are paid), which is sufficient for two more wells and 3D seismic data.

· The result is clearly extremely disappointing for Desire (92.5%), who will now move to the Dawn/Jacinta location where the risking was unchanged after Rockhopper’s Sea Lion discovery. For Rockhopper too, with 7.5% of Rachel North, this is a jolt. We continue to think that commerciality in the basin will depend on finding more reserves than Sea Lion looks likely to deliver at the moment, and that some diversification of development risk will be beneficial.

BE
And a short line from Westhouse.
BE
Today’s announcement represents a dramatic turn of events for Desire. The positives that can be taken are the thick
sands that have been encountered, as well as oil that has passed through. Discovering where this oil has migrated to
is clearly the challenge for Desire and other operators in the basin. However, we are cutting our target price from
142p to 96p due to the results from Rachel. Although this morning’s sell-off appears to be overdone, we are
maintaining an ACCUMULATE on the shares. Rockhopper remains a BUY with an adjusted target of 489p.
NH
enough of this
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the muppets won’t give up on this stock
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even once it has run out of cash
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and found no oil
BE
(@Swedes: it’s a gonzo of muppets, apparently.)
NH
so there’s not much we can add
BE
Yup. Leave it to the moon units on the bulletin boards to continue this debate.
11:44AM
NH
Right
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time for a drink I think
NH
at our local Toxic Pub
Punch Taverns PLC (PUB:LSE): Last: 69.10, up 4.15 (+6.39%), High: 71.90, Low: 67.25, Volume: 2.05m
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apologies
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Bryce has just been kicked off the system
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Back now. The FT’s internet has frozen again.
BE
That’s what we get for keeping the computers in those tin sheds on the roof.
BE
So anyway, Punch.
NH
interesting note out of Peel Hunt today
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says the company should default
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on its two tennanted securitisation vehicles – Punch A and B
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analyst Paul Hickman says that shareholders
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should actively campaign for it
NH
It is quite clear that the bond structure that finances most of the
tenancies is unsustainable. It is now crucial that a clear solution is
imposed. Having considered alternatives, we believe the
preferable outcome is to allow the A and B securitisations to
default. We believe shareholders should use their influence to
press for this outcome. Once this issue is resolved, the value in
Spirit and group assets, which we put at 91p, will be apparent.
NH
We believe the option best able to restore value to the shares is to allow the A
and B securitisations to default. This has two major advantages: (i) removal of
uncertainty associated with highly indebted tenanted pubs, which has been
established as an unattractive investment model (ii) retention of the cash being
paid to support the bond structure
NH
We have considered the alternative of a reduction of 25-30% in the nominal
value of the A and B bonds. We believe the difficulties of reaching such an
agreement may be great, there would be continuing uncertainty about the
financial health of the structure, the equity value is small at PV of 25p, and it
takes 13 years to be realised.
BE
Fair enough. The maths has a kind of clean and pleasing sense to it.
NH
it does
BE
But here’s what I don’t get …..
BE
The bondholders don’t want 5,500 rubbish pubs.
NH
that’s the point
NH
if Punch let’s A and B default
NH
which is quite easy
NH
they are faced with a very unappealing binary choice
NH
Withdrawal of support, leading to default, and with it removal of any eventual
benefits of the pubs to the equity holders. Equally, this would leave bondholders
with the 5,325 pubs. That would lead to a binary decision on what to do with
those pubs, both outcomes of which are unattractive to the bondholders:
NH
Sell them. On the basis of the average recent disposal price of £260,000
per pub, this would realise only £1,385m, about 52p in the £, we
estimate, compared with nominal value of debt of £2,663m. We
appreciate that the average quality of these pubs would be superior to
the recent disposals. However, this would be a fire sale. Also, as shown
below, that price equates to 5–6x EBITDA which, on a distress sale
basis, is probably the highest that could realistically be expected.
NH
Run them. In order to run the pubs in the expectation of an improvement
in the market and thus of value, the bondholders would need to appoint
management and build a complete support structure that would include
beer purchasing, customer service, property management, HR and
accounting. In the case of a default, these functions currently supplied by
Punch would not be available to them.
NH
which makes me think that some sort of restructuring is the most likely outcome here
NH
default is not good for bond holders
BE
And this is equity holders holding a gun to the head of bondholders? You don’t see that much.
NH
no
NH
interesting role reversal
NH
although the bondholders must have some power
NH
and on that notes
NH
I have some notes
NH
from the securitisation team at BarCap
NH
Since the Punch Group’s likely proposals to the securitisations should result in a failure of a
material prejudice test, we expect the security trustee to call a meeting of the bondholders.
The rating agencies play a big role in deciding whether the proposals fail the material
prejudice test. If all the rating agencies confirm the ratings of the bonds, the note trustee
and the issuer security trustee will be entitled to assume that the modification of the
transaction documents will not be materially prejudiced to the interests of the noteholders.
In our view, the rating agencies should to decline to provide a view in this situation given
the importance to bondholders.
NH
in fact
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they reckon
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a deal is more likely than a default
NH
Options available to the group
We think negotiations will start with Punch B, given that the case for group support is less
clear since we expect the EBITDA DSCR to fall to below 1.0x in FY11. These options are not
mutually exclusive; in fact, we would argue that Punch will try to relax the covenants first
before trying the more costly demerger route.
1. Relaxation of covenants. It looks as if Punch will have to negotiate with bondholders on
covenant changes, since we expect the rating agencies to find it difficult to confirm the
ratings of any material proposed modifications. In our view, both Punch A and B are
unlikely to accept any changes that do not enhance their position. Punch B does have
the added complication in that drawings on the liquidity facility could create tensions
between the different classes of notes, given that the liquidity facility drawings to pay
interest on junior bonds will rank senior to the senior bonds. However, the issuer
security trustee, when deciding whether to accept modifications, does not appear to be
entitled to take account of subordination in the capital structure; as a result, we would
expect bondholders to be given the vote (see our explanation of the modification
procedure later in the report).
NH
anyway
NH
I will do more on this later on
BE
Meanwhile, we should note the Daily Mail story about CVC plotting a bid for Toxic Taverns
NH
ah yes
NH
any thoughts?
BE
Punch Taverns, Britain’s biggest pub company with 7,600 bars, is in the sights of private equity group CVC which is thought to be plotting an audacious bid.
The plans have emerged as new Punch chief executive Ian Dyson undertakes a review of the group, with a market value of £417 million.

BE
My first thought is that Punch management has been trading the stock within the past week or so.
BE
Suggesting the plot isn’t all that advanced.
NH
right
NH
makes sense
NH
and why would PE want these pubs?
BE
Um ….. Texas Pacific knows the business
BE
Having floated it in 2002 …..
BE
And, like a dog returning to its own sick, I guess it’s plausible that they could have another go at it.
NH
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possible
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but unlikely
NH
I’d imagine
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stil the shares are up
NH
although I reckon the Peel Hunt
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note is helping as much
11:54AM
NH
Right
NH
I was away on Friday
NH
and missed the massive spike in Ocado
An internet food retailer that many believe is the second coming of Webvan. Loss making yet valued at close to £1bn on flotation.
NH
this thing is almost back to its float price
NH
why?
NH
has trading improved?
NH
has it benefited from the snow?
NH
why?
Ocado Group PLC (OCDO:LSE): Last: 166.20, down 3.8 (-2.24%), High: 173.00, Low: 165.70, Volume: 518.29k
BE
Oh, it’s because William Morrison is going to buy them obviously.
BE
(COMET ALERT. THAT WAS SARCASM. PLEASE DON’T FLASH THAT, BLOOMBERG.)
BE
So anyway, it seems Webvan’s been on a roadshow in the states.
NH
now that would explain it
NH
the Americans love this internet stuff
NH
they reckon Groupon is worth $6bn
BE
Yup. It seems to have stirred a bit of interest among the black-rollneck-and-jeans crowd.
BE
And, as we know, there’s barely any free float and a big old short position.
BE
So it got a bit squeezy on Friday. That seems to be all the story there is.
NH
well, there is a bit more
NH
i found this in the Sunday Times
NH
We have been negative about Ocado, questioning whether a company that is still to break into solid profit should be quoted. We love the service, but have urged investors to shun the shares.

Well the management might be about to deliver us a crate full of “I told you so”. On Friday, the group’s shares jumped sharply, finishing the day at 170p — only 10p off the price at which the company floated in July. They have traded as low as 123½p in the intervening months.

Such a sharp jump would normally have traders suspecting a takeover approach. This can never be ruled out, but those close to the company say there is no predator lurking.

It’s possible that they would be last to know, and Amazon, Google or maybe even Marks & Spencer is about to table a knockout bid, but it’s more likely the shares are finally finding some fans among institutional investors.

The float in Ocado is not that big — only 55% of its equity is publicly traded — so it doesn’t take much to get the shares moving. If it makes its forecast numbers at the end of the year, which it is likely to do, that will help investor sentiment and could keep the share price momentum going. If it goes past the magic 180p, it will be a nice Christmas present for the company — and a painful lesson for the hundreds of hedge fund traders who have taken a short position on the stock, betting it would go down.

NH
If it makes its forecast numbers at the end of the year, which it is likely to do, that will help investor sentiment and could keep the share price momentum going.
NH
there we have it
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STRNS
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Sunday Times
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and I love the bit where short sellers are demonised
BE
It’s an opinion, I guess.
NH
like they are evil
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and they deserve to get the comeuppance
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still
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I that guy who mortgaged his house
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to buy Ocado shares
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must be feeling relieved
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if that is
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the bank hasn’t already claimed its colleteral
NH
(Swedes – NO it wouldn’t. Not at this price)
12:01PM
NH
Moving on
NH
another bid situation to look at
NH
Mouchel
Mouchel Group Plc (MCHL:LSE): Last: 75.25, up 18.75 (+33.19%), High: 77.00, Low: 69.25, Volume: 703.94k
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“approaches”
BE
Interestingly.
NH
yes
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the choice here is either flog the business
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or do a cash call
BE
So the former looks to be a real possibility.
NH
yeah
NH
Mouchel has some decent businesses
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just too much debt
NH
Liberim reckons an offer of 150p a share is possible
NH
that sounds a bit opptimistic
NH
100p might be nearer
NH
Bid approaches – The share price fall has triggered ‘recent approaches’. A cautious bidder might wait for the outcome of the Deloitte review. Fair value is 115p. A bid at 150p would be very plausible, given that the issues around financial weakness would be addressed.
NH
Attractive positions –Mouchel has a very strong position in the very attractive local outsourcing market. This would be attractive to a wide range of companies, including Enterprise (owned by 3i) and Carillion (who always like a company that is flat on its back).
NH
Estimates unchanged – Re-iterate >£25m of cost savings. Nearly 90% already implemented.
n Net debt in-line – Current net debt of £109m vs. £129m last year. Consistent with interim estimate of £100m and year end estimate of £89m.
NH
Potential for disposals – We believe that management will look to sell the Middle East and the Water business.
n Potential rights issue – Mouchel explicitly state that ‘its banks remain supportive’. They now say that they are ‘simultaneously exploring alternative funding strategies’. We believe that these would include right issue, placing and convertible in order of probability. £180m facility falling to £170m in March.
NH
Business as usual – £150m Bournemouth signed on 30th November. Have won 3 ex 3 Australian Highways contracts. Order book increases from £2.2bn to £2.6bn, helped by Highways and Regulated Industries. Order book maintained at £1.8bn. Seeing greater clarity around client budgets.
n BUY – We expect the shares to move a long way to our fair value target of 115p. BUY.
NH
and I also have something from JP Morgan
NH
Approaches have been received for the Company” although “the Board
does not believe that these preliminary approaches reflect the true value
of the Company”. In our view, with the recent share price fall, this was
perhaps inevitable – the prospects for the group in the medium term
appear to be improving but the short term squeeze on cash means the
shorter term prospects of the group are very uncertain.
NH
In our view, a rights issue has been expected by some of the shareholders
already, and such a refinancing would likely put the group on solid
footing to get it through to the medium term. It is as yet uncertain
however what the long suffering shareholders would look for in exchange for their support.
BE
Of course, we still have to see what Deloitte makes of whatever exactly Deloitte has been brought in to look at.
NH
I think we know the outcome
NH
sell the business ASAP
BE
Well, yes. And, as you say, there are some useful divisions with solid customers.
BE
And there’s a huge, lumbering amount of debt.
BE
Just looks like a break-up candidate rather than a bid one, if you ask me.
BE
(Which, you should note, no-one has.)
BE
Here’s Execution’s view
BE
Mouchel’s trading statement confirms progress towards refinancing
the business, supported by in-line trading conditions. In addition to
preparatory work made to divest non-core activities (likely to be in
Regulated Industries) the group has received “approaches” for the
entire business which appear preliminary in nature. However, we
view the reaction to last week’s press comment surrounding the
appointment of Deloitte as overdone. With the shares down
significantly (-31% over one month, versus a flat market), we upgrade
from Sell to Hold.
BE
IMS reassures
Mouchel’s Q1 IMS highlights several contract wins, which despite overall
challenging conditions, leave the group trading in-line with expectations. Notable
wins include a ten-year local authority outsourcing contract with Bournemouth
Council, worth £150m and continued progress for highways maintenance in
Australia with three wins now in Perth, Mid-West and Kimberley area. Providing
further cause for optimism, while the order book is still at £1.8bn (£1.8bn at the full
year), the pipeline of tenders and near-term opportunities has increased to £2.6bn
(from £2.2bn at the full year). Reassuringly, the group is starting to see greater
clarity around client budgets and forward programmes and has seen an increase in
the number of local authorities preparing for outsourcing contracts.
BE
Refinancing progressing, but still critical to business
Recent press comment has focused on the appointment of Deloitte to undertake a
limited scope review to progress Mouchel’s refinancing and, while the shares have
reacted negatively to this news (down 31% over one month), we view this reaction
as overstated given it does not change the group’s prospects or constitute new
news in the context of the necessity of a refinancing. We retain our view that
Mouchel will likely breach its fixed charge cover covenant in early 2011, given
quarterly testing and the phasing of profits through 2011, as cost savings are
weighted to the second half. As restructuring takes place, we expect net debt to
increase from £83.4m to £96.6m through 2011, implying a gearing level of 196%.
This would leave Mouchel with net debt:EBITDA of 2.4x still within its 3.0x
covenant (profits would need to fall by a further 26% before this level is tested).
However, it is the group’s fixed charge cover covenant (temporarily waived to
1.875x) that ensures a refinancing is required. We view today’s news that further
progress is being made and that the banks are supportive as positive. We are
hopeful that a refinancing can be concluded in early 2011.
BE
Approaches made for the business
Supporting a refinancing, the group has commenced preparatory work on
divesting non-core businesses, which we believe are in its Regulated Industries
division (Middle East and certain energy related businesses).
In an apparent repeat to the VT bid scenario, the group also notes that it has
received “approaches”, which could lead to an offer for the entire business. Given
the wording in the statement, we view this news as very preliminary in nature, but
could see the attraction in Mouchel’s activities to both trade and private equity.
BE
Recommendation change: Sell to Hold (80p FV unchanged)
Mouchel’s share price now shows 42% upside to our unchanged 80p fair value, but
given the risk surrounding refinancing we are still reluctant to turn positive on the
business at this juncture. The shares are down 31% over one month, versus a flat
FTSE All Share. The shares trade on a calendar 2011E EV/EBITDA of 4.8x (vs.
consulting peers 6.8x and outsourcers 7.5x) and a P/E of 8.9x (vs. consulting peers
10.4x and outsourcers 11.4x).We move our recommendation from Sell to Hold on an
unchanged 80p fair value, but await a successful refinancing before revisiting this
recommendation more meaningfully.
12:08PM
NH
OK
NH
anything else to look at?
NH
I note Rolls are up
NH
on the back of a Merrill buy note
Rolls-Royce Group PLC (RR.:LSE): Last: 640.00, up 12.5 (+1.99%), High: 639.50, Low: 628.50, Volume: 1.66m
NH
Upgrades in Civil aftermarket names, Defence lacklustre
For 2011 we remain positive on Civil Aerospace, particularly the aftermarket, and
cautious on Defence, despite the sector underperformance in 2010. In a year
when developed economies should stabilize and emerging countries are expected
to continue their growth, we regard the civil aftermarket names as offering the
best risk/reward, with potential for c.8% consensus estimate upgrades in 2012.
Following our in-depth analysis, we are upgrading Roll-Royce to Buy (Price
objective (PO) 700p) and MTU to Neutral (PO €49), downgrading Cobham to
Neutral (PO 215p), Finmeccanica (PO €8) and Zodiac (PO €49) to
Underperform.
NH
Civil – momentum aftermarket stocks offer10-15% upside
We expect the aftermarket to recover to double-digit sales growth over the next
two years (c.10-12%), assuming capacity (ASK) growth of 4.5-5%, as aircraft
utilisation improves and there is a further recovery in spares, pricing and scope of
services. The re-rating across civil aftermarket names has already happened in
2010. We believe the opportunity lies with stocks that offer some earnings
upgrade potential on 2011 and 2012 numbers.
Our top picks are Rolls-Royce (PO 700p) and Meggitt (PO 400p) where we are
on average c10% ahead of consensus in 2012.
NH
Defence – still pretty foggy out there, 5-7% downside scope
Being cautious on Defence may seem a consensual call, especially after strong
underperformance in 2010. However, we believe Defence contractors are likely to
face a few years of continued pressure given 1) the tightening budgetary
environment (at least in the US and Europe), 2) increased customer focus on
affordability, and 3) greater competition in international markets. Across the
Defence names, we have reduced our estimates by c.4-6% over 2010-12 and are
5-7% below consensus EPS. Defence is likely to remain lacklustre in 2011 given
its lack of top- and bottom-line growth.
BE
Ok – ta.
BE
And, with that, I think we’re done.
NH
(ROK – yes much too late)
BE
So thanks, rabble, for all your comments.
NH
hang on
NH
some comments from Merkel
NH
MERKEL REJECTS IDEA OF EUROBONDS
NH
Coming straight from the top now.
- Germany sees no reason to increase EU rescue fund. Officials stressed once
again that Germany rejects eurobonds and added that the government stands
“full-square” behind the euro and stability.
- Germany’s hard line stance has come under pressure and even Bundesbank
president Weber suggested that an increase in the stability fund may be
necessary, and there are some at the ECB who also support a eurobond,
although Weber is not one of them and Trichet also said that the ECB is not
promoting the idea.
- Meanwhile internal opposition in Germany against the euro project, which is
proving more and more costly for the taxpayer, is rising.
NH
oh
NH
and I should have mentioned this earlier
NH
I was wondering why the Kaiser
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was so keen on Qatar
NH
getting the World Cup in 2022
BE
The Kaiser being Franz Anton Beckenbauer, obviously.
NH
yes
NH
well
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today we get news
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that Qatar
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is going to help Hochtief fight off a bid from those nasty Spanairds
NH
but taking a big stake in the company
NH
which can then
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go and build those air cooled football stadiums
NH
which surely won’t work
NH
HOCHTIEF (HOT GY) / ACS (ACS SM) – Hochtief to increase capital by around 10% via the issuance of 6,999,999 new shares at €57.114 each. Existing shareholders excluded from the capital increase. Says Qatar to become major shareholder, holding almost 9.1% of new capital stock. Hochtief CEO describes partnership with Qatar as long-term and says Qatar first expressed an interest “early this year”. Qatar says its investment in Hochtief is key for infrastructure development ahead of the 2022 World Cup, adding that it wants to be a “constructive mediator” to ensure positive outcome for all shareholders including ACS.
BE
He was brilliant sweeper, Beckenbauer. Remarkable anticipation.
NH
these stadiums
NH
will they really work?
NH
also the Kaiser reckons the WC could be played in January that year
BE
It’ll favour short players, these stadiums. Anyone Peter Crouch’s height is going to be 10 degrees hotter at the top than at the base.
NH
of course the Premier League will agree to that
BE
I’d be all for that. January football I mean. Scottish League looks to be closed until March this year.
NH
(ROK – it’s Germany of course things like that are allowed to defend national champions. It’s only in the UK where we have a free market, unless Cable gets his way)
NH
anyway
NH
let’s not go on about the WC bid
NH
our offer was pretty badly put together
BE
Interesting use of “our”
NH
and the fact we lost can’t just be blamed on wheeling and dealing at Fifa
NH
Andy Anson did not run a good campagin
NH
they needed someone who moves in those circles
NH
like David Dein who was brought in too late
BE
Yeah, England. Bribe properly or don’t bribe at all. This “we only bribed a wee bit and those other nations were better at bribing” defence doesn’t wash.
NH
right I have a lunch to get to
NH
(Tuna – the UK FA are hated across the world. we may no effort to change that. our arrogance cost us).
BE
(Monkey: hosting a WC boosts your GDP by £3.2bn. Brazil will make it, even if it means using that big statue on the hill on Rio as a makeshift goalpost.)
BE
So anyway, let’s wrap up now.
BE
Thanks for all your comments
NH
(Fair point TL. we should never have bid)
BE
(Snap.)
BE
And have a good afternoon, everyone.
NH
cya
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