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Markets Live transcript 8 Oct 2010

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 11:19 on 8 Oct 2010. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT Joseph Cotterill Tracy Alloway Izabella Kaminska

NH
Hola markets watchers
NH
It’s 11.03am and time for another session of markets live
NH
not without a lot of that small cap oil waffle you all hate
NH
Joseph is here
JC
Hi there, morning
NH
Hello
NH
thanks for stepping in again
JC
No probs
NH
Joseph were listening to Radio 4 this morning?
JC
I try not to, but I hear a Top London Broker was on Today
NH
he was
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Terry Smith
NH
special guest review of Wall Street II – Money Never Sleeps
NH
and he loved it
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said it was very realistic
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he spotted lots of people he knew
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gave it a 4 out of 5
JC
Shia Laboeuf? Michael Douglas?
NH
no
NH
Jim Chanos
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and Carlier Sheen
JC
Ah, all those hedgie cameos
NH
anyway, there was an FT visit to the cinema last night
NH
Tracy and Izy were there from Alpha
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and hopefully
JC
Our crack team of film reviewers
NH
they are around
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to tell us
NH
what they thought
TA
Hi there – we’re back from the cinema
IK
Munch munch
IK
Just putting away the pop corn
TA
Wall St 2 – what can we say?
NH
corny?
IK
BUBBLES!
NH
(tuna watch it)
TA
Yes, there were actual bubbles
TA
to labour the economic bubble point
TA
There were also random motorcycle races
TA
something about fusion energy
NH
what?
TA
Yes – Shia LeBouf is no ordinary banker
NH
clearly
NH
the ones I know just like oil
NH
and gold
IK
He moonlights as a broker, trader and an investment banker all at once.. whilst single handedly being in charge of …
IK
the fate of America’s best chance at energy independence.
NH
and this is supposed to be realistic
NH
jeez
NH
I might give it a miss
NH
and watch the orignal on DVD again
NH
Blue Horsehoe loves Anacott steel
IK
No, no, no, you have to see it – just the cameos
TA
Question to the right – Yes, lots of ‘journos’
TA
Jim Cramer, Nouriel Roubini… as himself of course
IK
Maria Bartiromo actually “acting”
TA
I will recommend it on entertainment value
TA
Not least the cries of “SUBPRIMES! SUBPRIMES! THEY’RE BUYING ALL THE SUBPRIMES!”
IK
And who could forget this quote
IK
“Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs? They get slaughtered.”
IK
not a film for Spain
NH
no they won’t like that
NH
the Finance Ministry will be on the phone
NH
OK thanks for the review
NH
I come over all Barry Norman after that
NH
we should get to the market
TA
See ya later
NH
thanks
IK
See ya
JC
Meh. Think I’ll go see the Facebook one instead…
NH
(WhenIWereYoung – yep I do. Love rise of the machines)
11:14AM
NH
Right
NH
to the wider market and…
NH
we are down
NH
off 33 points at 5,628
JC
Yep. And it looks pretty obvious why
JC
Mr QE is getting cold feet
NH
what!
JC
RTRS-FED’S BULLARD SAYS RISK OF A DOUBLE-DIP RECESSION HAS RECEDED IN LAST SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS–CNBC
JC
RTRS-EURO FALLS TO SESSION LOW VS DOLLAR AS ST LOUIS FED BULLARD QUOTED AS SAYING EASING FURTHER NOT OBVIOUS CASE
NH
oh dear
NH
that’s not good
NH
No QE
NH
what can the man be thinking?
NH
that’s not in the script
JC
That’s put a spanner in the works for the dash for trash, to be sure
NH
look its pretty clearly we need another 1trn of stimlus
NH
and double quick
JC
…well, says Goldman in a good note today I see
JC
Funnily enough they don’t even think QE2 has been fully priced in yet
NH
sounds interesting
NH
do you have the note
JC
Yep, It’s massive, but this is the key bit…
JC
we draw three conclusions. First,
the basic pattern of market moves since early August is broadly consistent
with a market anticipating additional QE. Second, the size of these asset
price moves suggests that markets have gone a good part of the distance
towards pricing the kind of program we expect. Finally, the experience of
QE1 is that the impact on assets grew for some time after the
announcement. This suggests that even after the moves seen thus far these
trends could extend in some asset classes.
JC
The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) is widely expected to announce
renewed asset purchases at its November 2-3 meeting. We regard an initial
announcement of $500bn as likely but anticipate that the size of the
purchase program will ultimately total at least $1tr.
JC
The view that the market has at least gone some way towards pricing in QE2
is consistent with a recent poll conducted by our fixed income sales team.
This survey polled 59 clients to find that 50% of participants expect more
quantitative easing with an average amount (over all participants) of
$500bn. (This survey was conducted on September 21 prior to the last FOMC
meeting and the recent speeches by Fed Presidents Dudley and Evans, both
of which signaled a high likelihood of QE2 as early as November. One
would expect that participants’ expectations have risen in response to
these events.)
NH
so if it’s in the price and doesn’t happen then…
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JC
oh dear, in short
NH
market off 42 points
NH
what we need is a very, very bad payroll number
NH
that will put that Fed governor in his place
NH
and get the QE2 down the slipway
JC
And in case any of the ROTR haven’t seen it
JC
We are running a competition on payrolls numbers
NH
we are
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guess the number
NH
now, the prize
NH
I have been thinking about this
NH
and instead of the usual FT mouse mat
NH
or Gillian Tett book
NH
this time the prize is liquid
NH
literally
NH
the lucky winner will get free drinks at the upcoming FT Alphaville readers drinnks
NH
wine and beer only
NH
no spirits or champers
NH
we are thinkng about the first week of Nov for the party
NH
so keep a space in the diary
JC
(WIWY – it is bad, but I think that whole ‘Iron Curtain’ thing went down poorly too…)
JC
I’ll have to bring along the 2-litre bottle of scrumpy cider on my desk too
NH
good idea
JC
(donated by a reader)
11:23AM
NH
Let’s get to some stock stuff
JC
Yep
JC
Someone’s been asking about Heritage Oil
NH
(Alan Greenspan – by the glass only)
NH
oh yes
NH
biggest rise in the FTSE 250 at the moment
Heritage Oil PLC (HOIL:LSE): Last: 338.00, up 16 (+4.97%), High: 344.50, Low: 326.00, Volume: 3.97m
NH
this is the oil explorer run by former er
NH
run by Tony Buckingham
JC
What’s the story here then?
NH
anyway talk in the market is of a positive drilling update from Kurdistan
JC
Oh. where else.
NH
indeed
NH
I dug out some stuff on the prospect
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called Miran West 2
NH
from a recent company release
NH
here we go
NH
Full results from the Miran West-2 well expected late September/early October
NH
The Miran West discovery was made in the first quarter of 2009, confirming the presence of oil in the structure. The Miran West-2 well commenced drilling on 26 November 2009 and is currently drilling ahead on prognosis at a depth of 3,468 metres, close to the base of the Jurassic section. Data acquired after drilling operations commenced indicates that the Miran West-2 well is positioned optimally to test deeper exploration objectives with further potential for substantial quantities of hydrocarbons.
NH
The well intersected hydrocarbon-bearing intervals over approximately 1,800 metres within the Cretaceous section, which was the initial appraisal objective of the well. Additionally, within the Jurassic section of the well, wire-line logging, in conjunction with hydrocarbon shows and down-hole sampling have already resulted in the definition of a number of hydrocarbon-bearing fractured intervals suitable for flow testing. Testing of all of these intervals, in addition to those already secured behind casing in the Cretaceous section of the well, is planned after reaching total depth. Drilling is proceeding as planned to a total depth of 4,600 metres to investigate further potential in the underlying Triassic section.
JC
Then again haven’t a few people started coverage on HOIL today too?
NH
they have
NH
UBS
NH
and JPmorgan
NH
they must have been blacked out
NH
during the Tullow deal
NH
here’s some highlights from those two notes
NH
UBS first
NH
Fortune favours the brave

Initiating coverage with Heritage as a top pick in the European E&P space Heritage’s geographical focus is on Iraqi Kurdistan, Africa and Russia. The company has high impact exploration projects in Iraqi Kurdistan and Malta, as well as ongoing leads and prospects in Pakistan, Tanzania and Mali. Heritage currently produces around 600b/d of oil in Russia and reported 2009 2P reserves of 60Mboe

NH
Around 40% of group NAV (net) is from Iraqi Kurdistan. 92% unrisked upside over coming year; 79% historical E&A success rate
Heritage provides exposure to relatively low-risk high-impact exploration upside in Iraqi Kurdistan and Malta in the near term; we see 92% unrisked upside over the coming year. At 79%, Heritage’s historical exploration and appraisal success rate is high relative to peers. Additional NAV upside would be provided by a positive resolution of a tax dispute in Uganda (.12% upside) and a licence legality dispute in Iraqi Kurdistan (18% upside). Employing political risk to mitigate geological risk
Heritage gains access to low geological risk exploration by operating in areas of relatively high political risk.
NH
and JPM
NH
Heritage’s relative poor stock market performance in 2010 has been
weighed down by concerns over Capital Gains Tax risk in Uganda,
inconclusive drilling results in Kurdistan, and delays to some other
exploration catalysts. However, following completion of the Ugandan
asset sale and payment of a 100p per share special dividend, Heritage
has re-scaled itself to be a high impact explorer, but with a proven track
record and very strong balance sheet this time.

• In this note we look at the key factors determining Heritage’s value,
namely the resource potential in Miran and political backdrop in Iraq.
We also look at the risk/reward ratio at the current share price. Core to
Heritage’s value, we provide an economic scenario analysis of the Miran
West project. Given its advantaged location (onshore, close to a major
oil export pipeline) and favorable production sharing contract, we
estimate a very attractive project IRR at $80 per barrel of 63% and a unit
NPV 15% of $2.8 per boe

JC
OK, duly noted
JC
Let’s move on from matters oil and small lest the ROTR get bored
NH
good idea
NH
we could revisit that Man Group bid story from yesterday
11:28AM
JC
Ah right, what are the shares doing?
Man Group Plc (EMG:LSE): Last: 250.00, up 0.2 (+0.08%), High: 251.40, Low: 247.90, Volume: 2.45m
NH
small up
NH
not bad considering their recent good run
NH
and as I said yesterday
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I don’t believe this bid rumours
JC
Is this rumour petering out then?
NH
it is among analysts
NH
have a look at this
NH
from Oriel Securities
NH
The shares have risen on the back of bid speculation as well as the improving outlook
at AHL for FY12. Possible biddersare:
• Banks: an unlikely option as they have been divesting their asset management activities
in the wake of the credit crisis, there are limits now on hedge fund ownership, good
asset managers do not appreciate being part of large process oriented banks, Man’s
distribution via local banks might also be compromised
NH
• Private equity: also unlikely given Man’s volatile earnings would likely be too volatile.
• Other asset managers: this has the best industrial logic of the various options but the
buyer would have to be big enough for Man not to be too large within the group given
the specialist nature of its business (CTAs tend to be independently owned and
managed) which points to firms like Blackrock.
NH
• BNY Mellon, an asset manager and servicer, is a current market favourite to buy Man. It
would be an add on, there would be scope to leverage Man’s global distribution
network, and it would give Man access to the US market where it is underrepresented.
It is also arguable that GLG makes Man more attractive in that it reduces the ‘black box’
element.
• We would not rule it out on that basis but still regard a bid as very speculative
NH
(CFA – we are not Charles Stanely. You can’t come on and demand notes. Get a broker for that)
JC
Makes sense, to be honest
NH
I think the performance of the AHL fund is the real driver here
11:31AM
JC
Speaking of banks’ problems
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 296.95, down 7.1 (-2.34%), High: 298.95, Low: 292.85, Volume: 287.63m
NH
oh yes
NH
big placing last night
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by the Man City boss
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Sheik Mansour
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to hedge his 6% position
NH
and from what I have read this morning
JC
Go on. Curious exercise, this.
NH
well
NH
not so much when you hear what Barclays have been saying to analysts
NH
the message seems to be
NH
costs at BarCap are up
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and revenues are down
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so we need to slash loads of costs
NH
no surprise to me
NH
he wants to hedge
JC
Yeah, good Credit Suisse note on that growth problem actually
NH
Jonthan Pierce?
JC
Indeed
JC
Our salesforce met with
Barclays FD and IR yesterday evening. As expected, the focus was on three areas.
1. Barclays Capital Q3 revenues. Barclays suggested that consensus expects a 10-
20% fall in IB revenues across the industry Q3 on Q2. They made little comment on
their own performance relative to this but with the sell-side currently forecasting over
£6.5bn of top-line revenue in H2 2010 (versus £3.3bn in Q2) there is downside risk
to estimates, in our view. For sensitivity purposes, £3bn in each of Q3 and Q4 would
impact our revenue forecast by £700m. Assuming a £200m cost offset (leaving full
year CNIR at 65%) we would have to reduce our group PBT in 2010E by about 8%.
JC
But the market is expecting a disappointing Q3 already and the reality is it would
only hit our 2010E TNAV by 3p to 337p. Indeed, the accretion in the BlackRock
stake in the last 6 weeks would more than offset this. The bigger issue is next year.
We and consensus currently forecast Barclays Capital revenues at £15bn – inline with
group guidance of £3.7bn per quarter. But if this were say £14bn (a quarterly run-
rate of £3.5bn) at a 65% CNIR it would impact our group PBT estimates by £800m
or 10%. Given we are already £700m below consensus on other issues, it is possible
that consensus (which has been falling throughout the year) could still be materially
too high. Of course, it is impossible to predict what will happen next year in Barclays
Capital but our overriding point is that we don’t see an end to consensus downgrades
at the group level anytime soon. 2. Capital. Management confirmed that CRD3 and
CRD4 would increase RWA by £150bn. While this figure was pre-mitigation, it didn’t
sound like the scope to lower this was huge.
NH
hang on
NH
10% downgrade coming then?
JC
Well. here’s the rest of it
JC
In particular, the securitisation element (£50bn on our estimates) is already quoted net
of expected redemptions 2010-2013 and there weren’t many ways of reducing this
further. Market risk RWA (£60bn) could be partly mitigated via hedging strategies but
that didn’t sound substantial either. The main area of focus is Counterparty Credit Risk
(£40-50bn on our estimates) primarily through the use of Central Clearing. We
continue to work with a mitigated number of around £100-125bn. On the enlarged
RWA base, management thought that the FSA might want an equity tier 1 ratio of 9-
10% with additional capital in the form of fully loss absorbable instruments – similar
to FINMA. But with Co-Co’s relatively expensive (and hence restricting ROE in much
the same way as equity) they were hoping that a cheaper form of capital meeting
Basel rules with sufficient market demand could be found. Management also said they
were happy that they had struck a prudent dividend payout ratio last year given
regulatory developments and it didn’t seem obvious to us that this was likely to change
in the near-term.
JC
3. Returns. Management focus has moved from generating as many
units of economic profit as possible to capital efficiency. A capital allocation
committee has been formed and is exploring how to boost group ROE. For example,

the group has set a 12.5-15.0% ROE hurdle on new retail business (20% ROTE) and
15-20% on investment banking – although it is not clear how head office and
preference share costs are allocated to this and both are set in relation to Basel 2 rather
than Basel 3. At the moment, the sale of entire businesses (e.g. Western Europe) is not
being considered as a way to boost ROE – there is “a lot of work to do first”. But sales
of asset portfolios are being considered. Overall, it seems that Barclays fully accepts
the challenges that lie ahead and the switch in focus from growth to returns in the last
few months – while stark – is a good thing. But a big turnaround is unlikely in the near-
term and as we discussed in our research last week we expect ROTE ~ COE for
several years capping the share price to TNAV. Furthermore, our 2010E TNAV is
340p but this ignores up to 30p of unrecognised pension fund deficit.

NH
wow
JC
Although it’s not all bad
NH
that’s not bad note keeping from Pierce
JC
We remain on Outperform but highlight the relative attractions of the bank (e.g.
capital, liquidity) in a sector context rather than any substantial upside potential. For
example, we believe Barclays looks modestly interesting relative to RBS (Neutral)
where the 2010 PE (core business, normalised for impairment) is around 9 times
versus 8 times at Barclays (normalised for impairment) despite a lack of substantive
profits expected in 2011E. RBS GBM is also exposed to any industry slowdown in
Q3 (35% of core revenue) and we expect similar RWA inflation on CRD3 and CRD4
as Barclays (more including APS). Finally, RBS has £50bn of loans in Ulster Bank
and £4bn of Irish sovereign bond exposure and the potential for additional impairment
and RWA procyclicality in H2 is marked, in our view.
NH
there’s more?
NH
wow
JC
At least it’s better than… … … RBS
NH
he must have a decent shorthand speed to get all that down
NH
still it gives an insight into the pressures facing Barc
NH
and the other IB’s at the moment
NH
thanks for that Joseph
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 296.24, down 7.81 (-2.57%), High: 298.95, Low: 292.85, Volume: 288.52m
NH
and for the record the placing of the 220m shares was done at 295p
11:37AM
NH
I think Fitz was asking about that Man Utd figures
NH
and we have some comment on that
NH
(CFA yellow – one more and I ban you for life. got that?)
NH
so
NH
don’t worry about the headline figure is the message
NH
the underlying looks OK
NH
this is from Evolution
NH
MU Finance [MANUTD] Co has just reported its FY10 (June) results, which look fine, and (as expected at this point) the co does not appear to have made the £70mm payment yet to Red Football JV anticipated at the time of the recent bond deal.
NH
FY revenues grew 3% YoY to £286mm from £278mm, helped by growth in Commercial (+16.5% YoY). Matchday turnover was down (-9%) on fewer games, while Media was +5% YoY. 4Q revenues fell 21% to £67mm from £85mm, with Matchday -44% (no CL final), Media -28% (again on lack of CL final and fewer FA Cup games) and Commercial +30%.
NH
FY EBITDA increased to £101mm from £92mm in FY09 (helped by media & commercial), while 4Q dropped to £19mm from £28mm in 4Q09 (CL final impact, higher staff costs).
NH
Q FCF was +74mm (vs +146mm FY09, which had the Ronaldo sale), while FY FCF was +68mm (vs +151mm).
- Reported net debt was £358mm (after cash of £164mm) for net lev of 3.6x (or 4.3x pro forma for £70mm Red Football JV payment).
JC
The Glazers haven’t completely stripped the club of all the cash yet?
NH
not yet
JC
Surprising.
NH
the £70m they are allowed to take
NH
remains there
NH
which is surprising given the cost of the PIK debt
NH
that might keeping all those whining mancs happy for a bit
JC
Emoticon
11:41AM
JC
Right, where next in stock-land?
NH
lets have a look
JC
What’s this with Fresnillo?
NH
just looking at that
Fresnillo Plc (FRES:LSE): Last: 1,228, down 61 (-4.73%), High: 1,276, Low: 1,228, Volume: 257.32k
NH
Mexican silver producer
NH
been whacked by a Citigroup downgrade
NH
Citi have been downgrading lots of miners recently
NH
reckon they are all up with events
NH
apart from the really big boys
NH
hang on
NH
will dig out the note
NH
Overvalued on 3.2x NPV, downgrade to Underperform
We downgrade Fresnillo to Underperform. Although we see Fresnillo as a high
quality company with good growth potential, the shares are trading on 3.2x NPV,
a significant premium to the rest of the sector on around 2x. While medium term
we are bullish on gold & silver as a proxy, short term the metals seem
overbought, perhaps spurred by recent producer de-hedging activities.
Our price objective remains at GBp1250, about 3x NPV and the upper end of the
trading range for most precious metals stocks. While our long term prices for
precious metals are considerably below spot (gold $950, silver $15) even if we
assume long term at spot prices, FRES’s P/NPV would only drop to 2x. For more
analyses see NPV upside from spot gold prices and our sensitivity table.
NH
Precious metals have been strong. Time for a pause?
The current environment of low interest rates, strong investment demand and
potential quantitative easing is bullish for precious metals commodities in general.
However, with recent strength in both gold and silver we are cautious on a 1-2
month view. Key to our expectation for a “pause” is that AngloGold has completed
its hedge book buyback (78 tonnes of gold) ahead of schedule. As such, we
believe a key driver for recent bullion demand has been removed. Last year, after
Barrick announced the completion of its hedge book buyback, gold prices fell by
10% over a month. Near term, our currency strategist is also looking for a
recovery in the USD, with our base EUR:USD forecast at 1.25 by year end.
NH
see that
NH
they reckon the gold price will pause for breath
NH
because the Anglo hedge book has been closed
NH
here’s some more
NH
Precious metals have been strong. Time for a pause?
The current environment of low interest rates, strong investment demand and
potential quantitative easing is bullish for precious metals commodities in general.
However, with recent strength in both gold and silver we are cautious on a 1-2
month view. Key to our expectation for a “pause” is that AngloGold has completed
its hedge book buyback (78 tonnes of gold) ahead of schedule. As such, we
believe a key driver for recent bullion demand has been removed. Last year, after
Barrick announced the completion of its hedge book buyback, gold prices fell by
10% over a month. Near term, our currency strategist is also looking for a
recovery in the USD, with our base EUR:USD forecast at 1.25 by year end.
NH
We remain bullish on medium gold/silver outlook
We remain bullish on the outlook for precious metals in the medium term, and are
looking for gold to reach $1500/oz and silver to reach $25/oz. This is based on
central banks maintaining loose monetary policy, and the liquidity creation that
this results in will be supportive of the gold/silver price. Furthermore, we believe
reserve diversification into gold is set to continue, for instance by central banks.
JC
That’ll deflate Peta’s assets.
NH
I doubt it
NH
I think they are pretty firm
JC
Ahem, shall we look at Petro-unpronounceable?
Petropavlovsk PLC (POG:LSE): Last: 1,009, down 62 (-5.79%), High: 1,069, Low: 1,005, Volume: 1.70m
NH
(tuna – pot and kettle surely)
NH
yes
NH
down again
NH
today’s disaster
NH
is that the IPO of their iron business
NH
that was supposed to be going so well
JC
following yesterday’s missing tractors.
NH
er, its been delayed
NH
and they won’t get as much as they hoped
NH
in fact they were going for $500m
NH
and they will get just $240m
JC
Oh dear oh dear
JC
(Tim – HOUSE PRICE CRASH, of course.)
NH
on top of all that
NH
analysts have been lowering forecasts
NH
following the excavator debacle
NH
I liked this note from Collins Stewart
NH
says the company needs to do a 1 million ounce rate in H2 2010
NH
which given its past record
NH
doesn’t look possible
NH
hang on
NH
I also have an update on Day of the trip to Pog’s Russian assets
NH
quality of the mining fleet to the twin 7.5m SAG mills each with 2 4x6m ball mills in parallel, smacks of a world class operation.

· Within weeks the third 15 cubic meter excavator is likely to arrive (the fourth in the New Year) and higher grade ore should be available to the mill – first from Andreevskaya and in December from Bakhmut which are within the Pioneer mine lease.

NH

The mill at Pioneer is processing 14,000t/d (full capacity as we expected) but at 1.9 gm/t. However, the operations team were clear and confident on the availability of the higher grade ore from Andreevskaya and Bakhmut; which will be needed to achieve the targeted 4.4gm/t average grade for the December quarter.

· If achieved, this would give rise to a solid 160,000 ozs in Q4 from the Pioneer resin plant, assuming full availability for the period and 90pc recovery. Add that to a further 30,000ozs from the Pokrovsky plant in Q4 and we could see an additional 190,000ozs in Q4 from the plants before adding in perhaps some 10 to 20 thousand ounces from alluvials and the heap leach pads.

JC
(ROTR – be nice to Tim)
NH

This compares with the 140,000oz preliminary estimate for Q3 from the company recently and the 166,000ozs produced in the first half of this year.

· But it is also clear from the site visit that the operations team has created a lot of production flexibility by developing access to many high grade but small areas of mineralisation. And with currently high gold prices, one could see the logic in bringing forward gold production by blending in more of the high grade ore. We believe from our inquiries on site that gold recovery measures would not be affected if substantially higher grades were fed to the mill. Remember, stage 1 of the Pioneer mill was processing 11.8 gm ore only last year with no impact on recovery. We are not suggesting this kind of grade will return or indeed anything other than the targeted 4.4gm/t average. But the option is there and what a nice option to have.

· Our summary of the detailed geology and exploration update is that there are plenty more small high-grade zones on the Pioneer lease with which to sweeten the large low grade resources there.

· Let’s see what tomorrow brings from Malomir and Albyn.

11:49AM
NH
Please can we be nice to Tim
JC
(Newcomers are always welcome)
NH
he’s a newbie
NH
and most of them are welcome
NH
unless they have a position in GKP
The next supermajor, potentially sitting on 60bn barrels of oil in Kurdistan. Loved by muppets across the globe.
Gulf Keystone Petroleum Ltd (GKP:LSE): Last: 147.00, down 1.75 (-1.18%), High: 149.00, Low: 143.75, Volume: 1.26m
JC
And shall we move on to HOUSE PRICE CRASH stuff?
NH
why not
NH
sector still weak
Taylor Wimpey Plc (TW.:LSE): Last: 26.52, down 1.25 (-4.50%), High: 27.60, Low: 26.05, Volume: 21.36m
Persimmon PLC (PSN:LSE): Last: 364.50, down 12 (-3.19%), High: 377.50, Low: 362.20, Volume: 1.07m
NH
and the message seems to be
NH
from the housebuilders
NH
that sales have indeed slowed
NH
but the price falls implied by the Halifax seem over the top
NH
Now
NH
this is all a bit worrying for Taylor Wipeout
NH
they need cash flow to service their huge debt pile
NH
so if we do get HOUSE PRICE CRASH
NH
it will need another cash call
JC
Interesting. Any notes on that?
NH
yes
NH
there’s one good one from Liberum
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they talked to a housebuilder who said
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sales rate was 5% slower in September
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than August
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it’s by Charlie Campbell
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We believe that trading conditions remain stable for housebuilders, with a dull
volume environment, but stable prices. This is not a bad outcome as it gives
the housebuilders a platform from which to improve margins as new land
comes through, sites are re-planned and build costs reduced, and is better
than the Halifax House Price Index suggests. However, with no real autumn
trading pick-up, the sector is lacking a catalyst for better performance. This
means that the stocks are likely to remain under a cloud. Our top picks are
Barratt (Buy) and Berkeley (Buy), and we are more cautious on Persimmon
(Hold) and Taylor Wimpey (Hold).
NH
Current trading. We have spoken to one unlisted housebuilder and two quoted
peers. The unlisted company told us that its sales rate was 5% slower in
September than in August, but that prices had remained firm. The two volume
builders confirmed that trading volumes continue to be sluggish, continuing the
trend seen since the summer, but, importantly, that prices have remained firm.

NH
Not as bad as Halifax suggests but lacking a catalyst. The sector sold off
yesterday as the Halifax House Price Index claimed that house prices had fallen
3.6% in September, but it is worth remembering that Nationwide estimated a
+0.1% change for September. We think that the Halifax index may not be as
reliable a guide as it once was as that institution’s share of lending has fallen
significantly. We think that housebuilders are well placed to judge underlying
prices and therefore we estimate that house prices have been basically flat since
May 2010. This is not a bad outcome and gives the housebuilders a platform
from which to improve margins as new (lower cost) land is developed, sites replanned
and build costs reduced. But, improving trading could be a catalyst for
improving share price performance, and this appears to have been delayed at
best.
NH
Too early to change recommendations or estimates. The stock market has
already discounted a deteriorating volume environment, as can be seen by the
sector underperforming the market by 10% in the last three months, with 7% of
that in the last month, so it is probably already too late to be much more cautious.
In addition, changing NAV or EPS estimates now is also somewhat premature, in
our view, especially if the Spending Review is more benign than feared. We also
note that interest rates remain very accommodating to house prices, and are not
expected to change anytime soon.
NH
Stock calls. We remain comfortable as buyers of Berkeley, because of the strong
balance sheet, London exposure and hidden value. We also see extreme value
in Barratt, and would not be unduly concerned about NAV unless house prices
fell more than 5%. Bellway is the last of our Buy recommendations (and has
performed well since we upgraded) where we expect better performance as
cautious institutions return to the sector, but this may prove too optimistic. We
have no sell recommendations, but see risks in Persimmon as valuation is a bit
more stretched than others and it has significant exposure to Wales, North East
and Scotland, where employment is most overweight to the public sector, and we
remain concerned that Taylor Woodrow’s cash flows are still not strong enough
to sustain high debt levels.
NH
Tim I hope that helps
JC
That’ll explain why they’re the biggest faller in the sector then.
NH
what Taylor Wipeout
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I guess so
11:54AM
NH
TIme for some RAW
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
JC
(dinker – because the IMF isn’t quite like a giant supermarket?)
JC
OK, what have we got RAW-wise
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right
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some talk doing the rounds
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that Unilever might warn on profits
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or is guiding lower
Unilever PLC (ULVR:LSE): Last: 1,807, down 38 (-2.06%), High: 1,853, Low: 1,802, Volume: 1.06m
NH
now there was an ing note around the other day on this
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let me see if I can find it
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got it
NH
sorry for the delay
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Lotus notes
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the worst email package in existence
NH
We expect 3Q10 EBIT margins to be flat at best, with organic growth rates
similar to last quarter. Furthermore, a drop in dividend payout and initially
limited acceleration from Alberto Culver mean we lack triggers to become
more positive (especially in a cautious sector context). At 13.7x PER for FY11,
the shares are fairly valued, in our view. HOLD reiterated; TP down to €23.5
NH
3Q10 to become unexciting? The market in our view will be concentrating mainly in on
the margin progress (or lack thereof) at the 3Q10 results. After the disappointing 2Q10
margin increase of 10bp (consensus expected 40bp), the focus will clearly be on the
balance between input cost pressures, cost savings and A&P reinvestment rates. We
expect a 20bp reversal in underlying operating margins in 3Q10 to 16.6%; however we
still expect the FY10 underlying operating margin to be up 20bp to 15.0%. We expect a
similar organic growth rate to 2Q10 in 3Q10 of 3.7%. We doubt that another flat margin
delivery will bring excitement back to the shares.
NH
Unilever should reduce its dividend payout
ratio gradually from an above-average 58% in 2009 to an in line with peer group average
c.50% payout ratio in 2011. This should limit the dividend yield. In 2010, the drop in
payout might be more pronounced (INGF 52% payout), partly related to currency swings
NH
and the other bit of RAW we have
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concerns
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Actelion
JC
Ah yes. I heard you’ve been rather perplexed by what’s going on here
NH
This
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The WSJ reports, citing ‘people familiar with the matter’ that Actelion has formed a committee of board members and hired a financial adviser to evaluate strategic alternatives including a potential sale or strategic partnership. The Newspaper says Bristol-Myers Squibb, Roche, GlaxoSmithKline and Amgen could be potential bidders.
NH
Now
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my understading is that BMS have bought just under 3%
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and could be over now
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however
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I have been looking a bit close at the company today
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and I can’t see why anyone wants to buy it
NH
it has one drug for heart disease
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and nothing in the pipeline
JC
And BMS have sort of cornered themselves with this share-nibbling
NH
(ARNOLD – no)
NH
well
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they have helped drive the price up
JC
So what is the attraction?
NH
dunno
NH
unless they have some secret drug they are working on
NH
nothing
NH
have a look at this note from Jefferies
NH
sums up why people might want to be wary of this story
NH
Speculated interested parties:
1. BMY
BMY is looking for bolt on acquisitions in biotech but is after biologic assets and ATLN doesnt focus in this area. BMY also has the Abilify patent expiry in 2015 – which would be coterminous with Tracleer patent expiry.

2. GSK
GSK is looking to diversify into non pharma assets. A move for Actelion would be a reversal of this strategy

3.Roche
There is market speculation that company could be a white knight…but Roche is in the process of trying to save costs, not add capacity

NH
4. Bayer
Bayer is building out its PAH franchise with riociguat and is looking for acquisitions so its perhaps more of a possibility in theory but nothing more than that

Special Committee:
In terms of speculation about the formation of a special committee to evaluate strategic options – my view is that this seems like a sensible process bearing in mind the string of failures in R&D ….but such a committee should be reviewing all options such as buybacks, dividends, cost savings, acquisitions – not just a sale of the company

Tracleer:
Tracleer US patent expires in November 2015 and 2016 in Europe. Jefferies research team sees marketed products being worth around SFr50 a share with SFr6 of cash. Pipeline and cost savings would be other considerations although partnerships important.

To close:
Its rather pointless speculating on speculation and you never say never but what Actelion (in one piece) has to offer is something that big pharma has been moving away from.

NH
so there you go
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one drug
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with a bit of shelf life left
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and that’s it
12:00PM
NH
OK Joseph
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it’s past midday
NH
anything you want to look at?
JC
How about a spot of macro?
NH
go on then
JC
Or indeed, FX-related macro
NH
yes pls
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want some quotes first
JC
why not
NH
cable is $1.58722
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and the euro/$ is
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$1.3881
JC
Speaking of euro thingies
JC
Noteworthy that Goldman is catching on to this strong euro unease
JC
We have lowered our Euro-zone 2011 GDP forecast to 1.8% from 2.2% on the back of our new FX forecasts,
which see a further weakening of the Dollar and a trade-weighted appreciation relative to our previous forecast
of almost 4%. This still leaves us well above consensus. We have also delayed our expectation for the first ECB
rate hike to 2011Q3 from 2011Q2. Forecasting remains particularly uncertain in the present environment; the
four key risks to our new forecast are: different FX developments from what is anticipated; a greater than
expected drag on growth from fiscal consolidation; a dampening effect on growth from financial sector
deleveraging; and the risk of a credit event in the Euro-zone periphery.
NH
wow
NH
they have lowered their GDP forecasts on it
JC
And Barcap is pretty grim on the whole currency wars issue entirely
JC
Markets are looking for international coordination on exchange rates to combat a
drift toward unilateralism. However, the preconditions for successful cooperation
are not in place, and past attempts to coordinate under suboptimal conditions have
been damaging. Surprisingly, in the midst of the alleged “currency war”, nearly all
currencies are appreciating against the USD, even those whose authorities have
acted unilaterally. We do not want to underestimate risks of discord, but if major
countries set policy based on domestic reasons, while weakly adhering to soft
international norms, results might be better than under formal international
coordination.
NH
hmm
NH
of course we have the G8 meeting this weekend
NH
will be interesting to see what comes out of that
JC
Yeah, don’t get your hopes up, it seems
NH
probably wise
JC
And beyond FX
JC
It might be worth a brief look at emerging markets quickly
NH
go on
JC
I think ML is becoming increasingly redundant, Neil
JC
No one wants developed world stocks
NH
why
NH
you must have been listening to Murphy again
NH
he keeps telling everyone the West is doomed
NH
but then
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he does have a new EM service to sell
JC
Oh, Murph is talking his book
NH
I reckon so
NH
Emoticon
JC
Then again, from EPFR…
JC
As US dollar weakens, flows into EM Equity Funds hit 33-month high and EM Bond Funds absorb another $1.1 billion
JC
Lotus is chewing up the rest of that note, sigh
12:07PM
NH
OK
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some of the ROTR
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asking about a big developed world stock
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Microsoft
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and the FT’s story today
JC
Microbe.
NH
that it might be Adobe
NH
Oh
NH
i get the joke now
NH
it was lost on me earluer
NH
Microsoft acquisition of Adobe mooted
NH
A possible Microsoft acquisition of Adobe Systems, long a rival in the desktop software business, was among ideas for closer co-operation raised informally at a recent meeting between the chief executives of the two companies, according to a person familiar with the talks.

The suggestion, arising from a broader discussion about whether the two companies should ally against Apple, highlights Microsoft’s willingness to consider more radical tactics as it tries to counter Apple’s success with the iPhone and iPad.

NH
Two people familiar with the meeting – between Steve Ballmer of Microsoft and Shantanu Narayen of Adobe – played down the prospect that the informal takeover suggestion would lead to a deal between the two companies.

One said that it had not led to any active takeover discussions, while the other added that no deal was “imminent”. Both characterised the discussion as part of a regular series of meetings to consider a range of possible areas of co-operation.

JC
Ballmer wants an Apple-corer, basically.
NH
yes
NH
it seems that way
NH
although analysts it has to be said
NH
are sceptical of a deal
NH
have a look at this
NH
from Citi
JC
Go on.
NH
 Little Strategic Rationale in our View
NH
There is no doubt Microsoft has some
secular concerns that must be addressed, namely around 1) lack of share in
tablets, 2) lack of a compelling mobile offering and 3) lack of critical mass in
online. Also, while not a secular issue in our view, Microsoft needs to gain scale
in the cloud. We’d expect that if Microsoft were to spend $20B on an acquisition
(equal to ADBE valuation at 52-wk high), it would be to address these issues or
augment the company’s positioning on one of these areas. We don’t see an
acquisition of Adobe doing this. Much of Adobe’s value is its cross platform
status, running on devices from Microsoft, Apple and now Google. We believe an
acquisition by Microsoft would jeopardize Adobe’s neutral status. Also, Microsoft
essentially has a parallel and competitive developer stack and a number of
technologies that sit very close to Windows (SilverLight, XPS) that compete with
Adobe and would have to be rationalized in an acquisition of Adobe.
NH
and there would be some competition issues
NH
Not to Mention Anti-trust Implications — Adobe’s Acrobat and Creative Suite are
top 5 Windows desktop applications (along with Office) making it easy to make the
case such an acquisition would be anti-competitive. Also, Microsoft remains
under the spotlight of the U.S. Department of Justice’s Consent Decree until May
2011. While this agreement mostly covers technical aspects of platform access
and prohibit bundling of certain technology with Windows, we believe that
Microsoft is unlikely to undertake an acquisition that would shed the spot-light
back on anti-trust issues.
NH
Why Else Would Ballmer and Narayen Meet? – If true, we can’t answer this
definitively. We’d expect most business between the two companies would be
done below the CEO level. Perhaps both are concerned about Apple competition
or are looking at cooperating more closely in the developer area.
NH
Adobe Shares May Fade as Investor Digest Unlikelihood of Acquisition — Other
stocks have held gains fueled by M&A speculation (Symantec for example).
However due to the potentially few numbers of suitors we expect M&A excitement
could be short-lived. We continue to like the fundamental story at Adobe given
underappreciated growth and multiple that is inline with slower growing peers
(13x FY11 EPS). The next catalyst is MAX user conference the week of Oct 25th
where we expect Adobe management will give more detail around growth strategy
that few investors believe.
NH
there you go tech fans
NH
something to digest over lunch
12:10PM
JC
Hang on, a bit more on Actelion
NH
what?
JC
Bayer saying they’re not interested.
NH
OK
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right
NH
we must go back to the banks for a second
NH
over the past couple of days
NH
there has been some heavy buying of Standard Chartered £17 puts
Standard Chartered PLC (STAN:LSE): Last: 1,831, down 22 (-1.19%), High: 1,857, Low: 1,828, Volume: 1.08m
NH
now the reason seems to be related to what happened to HSBC today
NH
this note from Seymour Pierce gives the backstory
NH
US authorities (Federal Reserve Board and Office of Comptroller of the Currency) have criticised HSBC’s North American unit on its compliance with federal antimoney laundering laws after an investigation found the banking giant’s procedures violate U.S. banking laws. WSJ says that this relates to two HSBC businesses. One is the global “bank notes” business through which HSBC ships U.S. dollar notes around the world for clients such as central and commercial banks. The other business scrutinized by U.S. regulators is HSBC’s “correspondent” banking business. That unit sends and receives funds from banks overseas and is part of HSBC’s larger operations related to payments and cash management.
NH
Comment: although embarrassing, this was already disclosed and there is no fine. HSBC has a sell side trip at the end of this month to Kuala Lumpur and Dubai, where the bank will try to demonstrate the benefits of being a joined-up global bank. Our recommendation is BUY TP 800p.
NH
Now Stan Chart
NH
is the fifth biggest dollar clearer in the world
NH
and I think Lloyds and ABN
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have already been hit for huge fines
NH
for laundering sins
NH
the talk in the markets seems to be
NH
that Stan Chart could be next
12:13PM
JC
OK, some more from Mr QE
JC
RTRS-BULLARD SAYS FED COULD WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER MEETING IF IT FELT IT NEEDED TO SEE MORE DATA TO MAKE DECISION ON EASING–CNBC
NH
someone needs to gag this bloke
NH
he’s killed the market
NH
FTSE 100 down 52 points at 5,610
JC
And QE is not a ‘slam dunk’, he adds
NH
hang on
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we have Bullard on TV nowe
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he’s on something round table thing
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they have a flip chart
JC
Bizarre. There’s a flip chart on CNBC.
NH
there’s more comment
NH
12:10 08Oct10 RTRS-BULLARD SAYS FED COULD WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER MEETING IF IT FELT IT NEEDED TO SEE MORE DATA TO MAKE DECISION ON EASING– CNBC
12:13 08Oct10 RTRS-BULLARD SAYS FACT THAT FED MISSING ITS POLICY TARGETS DO NOT MAKE CASE FOR FURTHER EASING A “SLAM DUNK” — CNBC
12:14 08Oct10 RTRS-BULLARD SAYS SECOND ROUND OF QUANTITATIVE EASING WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN COUNTERING DEFLATION RISK — CNBC
NH
hang on
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they look to be at the Fed
NH
round a big oak table
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Buffet’s favourite is hosting the discussion
NH
can’t remember what her name is
JC
I forget too
JC
Hah, now he’s saying the dollar is the Treasury’s problem
JC
Right, enough of this QE rally meltdown
NH
somone pull the plug on this
NH
yes
JC
Anything else before we go?
NH
it’s Beck Quick
NH
The Downside of QE
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that’s the latest on the flipchart
NH
this is like QE for beginers
JC
Well… it is CNBC.
NH
not sure what Bullard makes of it
NH
right
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we must end this
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I have lunch with the POG PR
JC
Yes, enough of the TV reviewing
NH
so wish me luck everyone
NH
but we couldn’t leave you
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without mentioned a small cap oil stock
NH
something for the weekend as it were
NH
from the sector watcher
NH
We have raised our target price on PetroNeft this morning to 64p, an increase of 15p. With the company’s excellent track record so far in bringing Phase 1 of Licence 61 into production, we feel including the 24mmbbl of reserves in phase 2 into our target price. Petroneft currently have 8 wells on stream with oil sales commencing this month with a further three expected to be brought online by the end of this month, making the goal of 4,000b/d by year end very attainable for the Group. Even with our target increase, and the 42% forecast return, there is still a lot to go for in the stock with 25 exploration prospects on Licence 61 with the potential to contain 400mmbbl of P50 resources. This winter Petroneft will drill three targets containing 78mmbbl, most notably with the 16 mmbbl Arbuzovskaya and the 44 mmbbl Sibkrayevskaya prospects having the potential to add significant reserves. Licence 67 will also be in the limelight with its 50/50 JV with Arawak showing further upside not factored into our target, with 2P reserves likely to be booked on the field in the near term future. We are big fans of the stock and continue to see value in the share price with a good stream of news flow to look forward to. A must have stock-BUY
Petroneft Resources Plc (PTR:LSE): Last: 44.03, down 1.48 (-3.24%), High: 45.75, Low: 44.75, Volume: 150.75k
12:18PM
NH
Right
NH
thanks for logging on today and this week
NH
and all your comments
JC
Thanks all, bye
NH
(TL – sent)
NH
cya
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