Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:12 on 12 Feb 2010. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT Bryce Elder Izabella Kaminska, FT
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and welcome to Markets Live
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60 minutes or so of stimulating markets discussion
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with some of the most savvy commentators out there
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it all gets underway at 11.03am every week day
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straight on with things because it has been an action packed morning already
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everything ticking on nicely until 10.00am
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weaker than expected eurozone GDP figures
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China raises the reserve rate by 50 basis points
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huge swings in the market
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Euro hits eight and half month low
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the London market goes into reserve
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mining stocks, which were up 2-4%, fall sharply
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it’s been another choppy one out there today
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and this is just being pinged round the City
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Market talk that a UK bank may have liquidity problems – source: Ranksquawk
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and does not come from us
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what’s the current reading on the FTSE?
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Off 20 points now at 5139
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I was seriously considering some headgear
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the Alphaville Tin Hat
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but have resisted so far
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this bank thing is worrying
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and as some of the ROTR note, Lloyds is weak
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY:LSE): Last: 46.37, down 1.78 (-3.70%), High: 49.52, Low: 46.14, Volume: 151.48m
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Yeah – and the pricing of its convertible has completed today
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Which I though might have been the trigger for a bit of a rally
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48.70p is roughly the VWAP over that period, apparently
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stock down 6% over the period, underperforming RBS by 2% and the likes of Barclays and HSBC by a lot
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I thought they would rally
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 261.00, down 7.35 (-2.74%), High: 272.65, Low: 260.35, Volume: 19.14m
HSBC Hldgs (HSBA:LSE): Last: 647.80, down 9.2 (-1.40%), High: 660.60, Low: 643.00, Volume: 13.96m
Royal Bank of Scotland Group (RBS:LSE): Last: 31.29, down 0.58 (-1.82%), High: 32.51, Low: 31.07, Volume: 26.76m
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So ………… Govvie worries?
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gonna fire off a few emails
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shall we just have a look at this Chinese reserve hike?
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(Thehoof: no chance. Neil basically has to write two-thirds of the paper on a Friday.)
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timing is interesting here
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Chinese markets will be pretty much shut next week
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for the new year celebrations
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actually the US is shut on Monday
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and its half-term over here next week
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so things could be pretty quiet next week
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Indeed. It could all get really rather thin next week.
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we will be scratching around like a couple of old hens for news
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Yup. Although that’s not uncommon right now.
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right back to the China take
The Truth! Unvarnished. The price of rice always falls. Shanghai investors do not sell stocks. Torch protestors are vile.
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here’s a bit of comment on the move
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from Blue Oak North Square
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China has increased the reserve requirement ratio by 50bps, taking it to
16.5% for large banks. This is the second 50bp rate increase this year.
The central bank generally increases liquidity into the market through
open market operations in the weeks heading up to Spring Festival and
implements tightening measures thereafter. This increase is consistent
with this general policy.
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As of 31 Dec 2009, banks had excesses to the reserve requirement ratio
held at the central bank of 3.13%, up from 1.55% in June, which implies
that banks generally are still capable of the target of 7-8trn yuan of
lending in 2010.
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The increase is more to show the central bank will take steps to manage
inflation and restrain excess lending – it can be viewed as a response
to the excessive lending in January 2010, which saw long-term lending to
households more than double from last year’s monthly average. This means
that banks were still flooding the market with mortgage loans even when
they had been directed not to by the CBRC. As a result, expect mortgage
lending to retract, although mid- to long-term industrial lending,
particularly to infrastructure projects, is unlikely to be withdrawn.
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In general, the move is not a major negative, given that it is a step
towards removing the dangers of asset bubbles in overheated areas.
The banks with the tightest loan to deposit ratios are China Merchants
Bank, Bank of Communications, and China Minsheng, so this move will be
more negative for them.
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And obviously, the miners have turned around in response
Xstrata Plc (XTA:LSE): Last: 1,004, down 27 (-2.62%), High: 1,065, Low: 995.00, Volume: 10.58m
Antofagasta (ANTO:LSE): Last: 847.00, down 24 (-2.76%), High: 892.50, Low: 844.50, Volume: 1.25m
Kazakhmys (KAZ:LSE): Last: 1,235, down 42 (-3.29%), High: 1,303, Low: 1,235, Volume: 1.46m
Vedanta Resources (VED:LSE): Last: 2,350, down 74 (-3.05%), High: 2,476, Low: 2,342, Volume: 727.66k
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yes, that is a big turnaround
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back to the banks for a moment
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY:LSE): Last: 46.14, down 2.01 (-4.16%), High: 49.52, Low: 46.05, Volume: 166.43m
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 260.50, down 7.85 (-2.93%), High: 272.65, Low: 260.35, Volume: 20.16m
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Lloyds is down 5.5% at the moment
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just trying to get a quote
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Bryce is off to the Bloomie screen to get one
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and I just have to move off the desk for a moment
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Izy saw it earlier in the week
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apparently we don’t have those humane traps
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Bloomberg’s pricing UK CDS at 87.2
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Down a bit, but I’m not sure about delays and such
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Also, volume is likely to be very poor
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And if that is yesterday’s then I guess we don’t have access to live data. If anyone on the right can assist, then … Ta.
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just havinig a look at the GBK
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weak against the dollar
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against the Euro though
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well that is being killed at the moment
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drilled into the ground
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against the dollar now at $1.3540
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the Greek bailout has not impressed
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nor have the GDP numbers
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Ah yes, the GDP numbers
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Can you give us the grim detail there?
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with relish – you hearing that Manuel?
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so, growth stuttered really badly in Q4
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actually why is Italy not being mentioned that much at the moment?
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(PlodRop – much obliged)
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anyway, here is the ever reliable Howard Archer
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Eurozone GDP growth was limited to a desperately disappointing 0.1% quarter-on-quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009. While it is clear that the Eurozone economy has been finding it very difficult to kick on after exiting recession in the third quarter of 2009, it had been hoped that the fourth quarter growth rate would be similar to the 0.4% quarter-on-quarter expansion achieved in the third quarter. Consequently, Eurozone GDP was still down 2.1% year-on-year in the fourth quarter of 2009, although at least this was a marked improvement on the record drop of 5.0% suffered in the first quarter. Eurozone GDP contracted 4.0% overall in 2009.
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The marked slowdown in Eurozone growth in the fourth quarter of 2009 was largely due to the German economy disappointingly stagnating and Italy contracting anew. This was a marked change of fortune given that Germany had previously led the Eurozone out of recession with growth of 0.7% quarter-on-quarter in the third quarter and 0.4% in the second. In addition, Italy suffered renewed contraction of 0.2% quarter-on-quarter. This may have been partly a correction after surprisingly firm growth of 0.6% quarter-on-quarter in the third quarter.
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Stagnation in Germany and renewed contraction in Italy was partly countered by French GDP growth accelerating appreciably to 0.6% quarter-on-quarter. While this headline growth rate looks good, it was lifted appreciably by favourable stocks developments and the car scrappage scheme lifting consumer spending.
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While we do not expect the Eurozone to relapse back into recession, GDP growth of just 0.1% quarter-on-quarter in the fourth quarter of 2009 highlights the fact that the region still faces very challenging economic and financial conditions. Latest Eurozone data and survey evidence point to ongoing growth in the first quarter of 2010, but there is still little real feeling that the economy is kicking on. Indeed, we suspect that the Eurozone’s recovery will remain gradual and prone to losses of momentum for some time to come. This suspicion is reinforced by other data released today showing a marked relapse in Eurozone industrial production in December.
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The very disappointing fourth-quarter 2009 GDP data reinforce our suspicion that the Eurozone will find it difficult to grow by more than 1.0% in 2010. The likely fragility of the recovery means that both governments and the ECB need to be wary about withdrawing stimulus measures too soon or too aggressively. This underpins our view that the ECB will keep interest rates down at 1.00% until at least late-2010 and the bank could very well delay lifting them until 2011.
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yeah pretty grim all that
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and it makes me wonder
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what the UK revision will be like
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we could still be in recession
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Well, it’s a line call anyway.
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here’s some more Eurozone gloom
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Having been even weaker than we had anticipated, today’s data fully vindicate our caution on the eurozone growth outlook. At the area-wide level, the main problem is weak investment fundamentals, with corporates in full deleveraging mode and very low rates of capacity utilization. This makes it unlikely that we will see a genuine turnaround of the capex cycle, the labor market and private consumption anytime soon. But there is now an even more troubling issue, and this is a clear risk of a two-speed recovery within the area.
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As those countries that have weaker growth fundamentals are also the ones that need to tighten fiscal policy more aggressively to resist market pressure, it’s becoming increasingly likely that we will see growing GDP differentials between the northern and southern part of the area. This risks complicating the ECB’s job going forward, even though the central bank’s baseline scenario should not have changed dramatically over the last three months. In March, they will probably leave their (cautious) macroeconomic projections broadly unchanged, and reveal a set of measures to continue the process of gradual withdrawal of excess liquidity. We expect no refi rate change this year.
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11:25 12Feb10 RTRS-NEW LOOK RETAILERS – NEW LOOK POSTPONES IPO
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11:25 12Feb10 RTRS-UK RETAILER NEW LOOK WILL NOT PROCEED WITH PLANNED IPO
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So – another one’s toast.
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not a great surprise really
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and the case was being used to pay off those awful PIK Notes
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which were only taken out to pay the PE guys a whooping dividend
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but the wider point here is
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that the fund management community
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have given the sign to the PE industry
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we are not taking anymore of your stuff unless it is cheap as chips
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they just don’t want it
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it’s good to see the PE guys get something of a comeuppance
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Yes, all this does come with a rather tasty side order of schadenfreude
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Travelport, Merlin, New Look …..
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Is there a New Look statement?
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they are blaming it on market volatility
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New Look today announces that, in light of the unfavourable market backdrop, it has decided against proceeding with its initial public offering of shares and listing on the main market of the London Stock Exchange at this time.
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Carl McPhail, CEO of New Look commented:
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“We have taken the difficult decision to postpone the Initial Public Offering as a result of the considerable volatility in the Equity Markets. We remain convinced of the strengths of the New Look business and its suitability as a public company. We will re-evaluate our options when market conditions improve.”
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which is of course, only half the truth
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the real flashes should have beem
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NEW LOOKS PULLS IPO BECAUSE FUND MANAGERS WON’T BE OVERPRICED, RECYCLED STUFF FROM PE INDUSTRY
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actually that reminds me
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there was a great quote from Andy Brough in the Times today
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Andy Brough, the manager of Schroders’ FTSE 250 fund, said: “Personally, I just wouldn’t buy anything off private equity — they’ve had their chance.”
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which sums things up rather nicely
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Mr Brough said: “What does private equity do? They arbitrage the ignorance of fund managers. Well, we’ve kind of woken up.”
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“arbitrage the ignorance of fund managers”
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Right – this Telefonica news. ….
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it’s those sources again
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I thought they were all in Brussles
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MILAN, Feb 12 (Reuters) – There are preliminary talks for Telefonica to buy smaller partner Telecom Italia , but the Spanish company and the Italian government remain cautious on a deal, sources close to the matter said.
Any deal is unlikely until after regional elections in Italy in March, one source close to the matter said.
Speculation of a deal between the companies has heated up in recent weeks, spurring a rally in shares of Telecom Italia but drawing opposition from politicians in Rome who are afraid of allowing the Italian phone network to fall into foreign hands.
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Telecom Italia small up on that
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Good idea. What’s moving?
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I have a bit of Friday RAW
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- ITRK LN (BUY) This long rumoured alliance is suddenly alive again with speculation that SGSN VX is about to make a move on Intertek. – SGS’s weakness & the added speculation that the family was in disagreement has subsided with a general agreement to buy Intertek at some 20-25% premium. – ITRK’s fastest growing business is its inspection division & this would be a perfect bolt on for SGS. – Whilst its been long speculated, suddenly the voices are alive that a deal is close….
Intertek Group (ITRK:LSE): Last: 1,187, down 4 (-0.34%), High: 1,198, Low: 1,183, Volume: 161.20k
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Didn’t Intertek agree to buy something in Norway as a poison pill to any SGS takeover?
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I rather lost track of this story
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DNV it was called. No idea where that deal stands though.
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as if all the eco doom and gloom was not enough
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a very disconcerting note has appeared from RBS
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and it is not from Bob the Bear
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Exiting IDC, which we believe leaves the Financial Times newspaper looking non-core
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The Bloomberg takeover moves ever closer
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Don’t. Seriously. Don’t.
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Pearson management has indicated it is examining strategic options for its 62% stake in IDC; we believe a disposal is the most likely outcome. IDC is the largest part of the FT Group and we believe an exit of the FT newspaper makes sense thereafter
Pearson plc is the parent company of the Financial Times, publisher of FT Alphaville.
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Matt Winkler in the building
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Focusing on education
Pearson is building up its International Education division and is reported (eg by El
Confidencial) to have had a €1.3bn offer for Santillana (the educational publishing division of Prisa) rejected. We believe that disposing of IDC to finance an acquisition of Santillana makes strategic sense.
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The earnings implications . scenario analysis
Scenario 1: exiting IDC is 6% dilutive to our EPS forecasts. Scenario 2: exiting IDC and acquiring Santillana is 1% accretive to our EPS forecasts (after synergies), and will raise Pearson.s 2010F net debt/EBITDA ratio from 1.3x to 1.9x. Scenario 3: exiting the FT newspaper and reinvesting the proceeds in education is 7% enhancing to EPS forecasts.
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Running scenarios . Pearson will still trade at a big premium to peers
Pearson shares currently trade at a 40% premium to professional publishing peers on 2011F P/E. Our scenario analysis suggests this would shrink to 33% if Pearson exited IDC and the FT newspaper and reinvested the proceeds in education. The .new Pearson. would be structurally well-positioned in educational publishing, but would face various issues that could lead this premium to be questioned, including: a lack of exposure to cyclical recovery; exposure to a slowdown in college publishing, due to its counter-cyclical nature; slow growth in US school, due to budget pressures; long-term structural decline at Penguin; and the need to migrate its print business online (28% of sales are digital).
Pearson (PSON:LSE): Last: 874.50, up 9.5 (+1.10%), High: 874.50, Low: 867.50, Volume: 334.07k
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Now I wish people would stop circulatinig this idea
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Yeah well, RBS though it made “strategic sense” to pay £60bn for ABN Amro
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I have a very bad feeling about all this
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There are worse companies to work for than Bloomberg.
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I can’t name any, but I dare say there are.
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but that’s not really the point
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we wouldn’t be working for Bloomie
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they would march Murph outside and shoot him
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Yup. The Alphaville desk would be reduced to some broken computers and one dead mouse.
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Anyway, let’s move on to something lighter.
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How about Albert Edwards?
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his latest Gloabl Strategy Weekly has arrived
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A major divergence of views in the market at the moment concerns what governments should
be doing with their outsized fiscal deficits. Economists seem to be polarised between those
who think governments should be rapidly cutting fiscal deficits to avoid impending insolvency
and/or a surge in bond yields, and those who believe this will be totally counterproductive and
that deficits should stay very large. Behind this controversy probably lies the key to the
economic outlook.
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The problem of Greece has catapulted the more general issue of government solvency to
the top of the markets agenda. My colleague Dylan Grice has written some fascinating
research on this in recent weeks (more on that later).
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Before I tackle this very thorny and controversial subject I think it is worth commenting on
the extraordinary lengths to which governments are now prepared to go to sell the huge
quantity of bonds in the pipeline this year. Dylan and I were returning from a client meeting
this week and stumbled upon this display quite close to our office (see picture below, taken
in Devonshire Sq). Dodging the security guards who patrolled the area I persuaded Dylan to
climb on top of a giant flower pot to take this picture. Im not sure leaving man-sized
building blocks around the City of London is really going to make an awful lot of difference,
but I suppose when your public sector deficit is around 13% of GDP, every little bit helps!
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I have a copy of the picture
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I think it was taken outside the LSE
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and the blocks were put their
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for the launch of their retail bond platform
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My own view on this is that obviously we should never have got into this wholly avoidable
mess in the first place. But having got here, there really is no way out that does not trigger a
major market-moving upheaval. Ultimately economic prosperity over the past decade has
been a sham: a totally unsustainable Ponzi scheme built on a mountain of private sector debt.
GDP has simply been brought forward from the future and now its payback time. The trouble
is that, as the private sector debt unwinds, there is no political appetite to allow GDP to
decline to its correct level as this would involve a depression. So burgeoning public sector
deficits and Quantitative Easing are required to maintain the fig-leaf of continued prosperity
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(AndyDP: please remember that was third-party raw. We don’t want to be held responsible for pensioners queuing round the block at their local bank.)
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Izy has some more on the bank story
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what’s the chatter then?
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So apparently the big move in euro is down to two possible things according to some of my fx sources
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One is a bond redemption by a UK bank
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and the other is that a euro clearing bank was in trouble and had to borrow euro funds
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which they’ve then had to convert to sterling
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Well, the source also says the rumours sound pretty spurious
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There was a name mentioned…
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right, that’s quite enough
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I don’t want another incident
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particularly if it is a big foreign bank
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(i’ve been learning some spanish)
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Let’s move swiftly on I think
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all the defensive are good today
National Grid (NG:LSE): Last: 639.50, up 15.5 (+2.48%), High: 640.50, Low: 625.50, Volume: 1.97m
Reckitt Benckiser Group (RB:LSE): Last: 3,340, up 70 (+2.14%), High: 3,342, Low: 3,282, Volume: 906.87k
International Power (IPR:LSE): Last: 329.90, up 5.3 (+1.63%), High: 332.00, Low: 325.90, Volume: 1.93m
Diageo (DGE:LSE): Last: 1,037, up 19 (+1.87%), High: 1,042, Low: 1,011, Volume: 2.95m
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Well, I guess we can start with the bottom of those names
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Diageo getting a shove from various brokers post its results
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The biggest shove, arguably, coming from Merrill
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Non-recurring corporate costs drive 1H10 miss
Diageo delivered in-line 1H10E organic net sales down -2% to £5,207m, driven by
lower volumes and a flat price/mix effect. Encouragingly, 2Q sales turned positive
to +2% on improvements across all 4 reporting regions. In contrast, organic EBIT
fell -3% to £1,631m in 1H (missing consensus of -1%) due largely to an additional
£49m in corporate costs on the resumption of bonus accruals and inclusion of
non-recurring ‘legal and accounting costs’. Adjusting for these costs we estimate
organic EBIT growth was flat and in-line with market expectations.
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FY10 organic EBIT growth guidance maintained
Diageo maintained its FY10E guidance for ‘low single digit’ organic EBIT growth,
despite a plan to increase A&P spend, citing easier top-line comps, improved
gross margins, £60m further cost saves, and ‘encouraging signs in its emerging
and developing markets’. After a -3% organic EBIT drop in 1H10 off a +6% comp,
Diageo’s target implies at least +5% growth in 2H10 (off an easier +1.5% comp).
Emerging markets the swing factor; US and Europe tough
Diageo assumes the economic environment and consumer confidence in North
America & Europe to remain weak and unemployment high, leaving consumption
trends to remain under pressure. No price increases are planned for 2H10. In
contrast, emerging regions are showing early recovery signs which it is looking to
exploit with increased targeted A&P spend in the 2H10 period.
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Earnings unchanged; Maintain Buy on £12 PO
Including the £50m higher 1H corporate costs we cut Diageo’s organic EBIT base
by -2.5%, offset in FY2011/12E by a stronger USD/GBP rate of 1.58 (vs. 1.62)
and a lower interest coupon of 5.1% (from 5.5%) on lower end-FY10E net debt of
~£6.7bn. We see no obvious catalysts ahead of the 3Q sales for Pernod/Diageo
in April/May, when both companies cycle easy comps of -12% and -6% respect.
Diageo trades on very undemanding cal2010/11E PE multiples of 13x and 12x.
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Now, as for the utilities
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Morgan Stanley’s doing the work on National Grid this morning
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US rate plan settlements going well: Grid has been successful in the past 18 months or so at
delivering new US rate plans with improved revenue allowances, and capex and opex trackers.
This should lower risk of Grid under earning. This should also therefore lead to reported RoEs
increasing to +10%, when all new rate plans are up and running.
2010 is set to be an important year for Grid: It is negotiating two new rates plans in upstate
New York (NIMO electric) and Massachusetts gas – these alone account for about 40% its US
rate base. Good outcomes here coupled with good settlements already agreed should lead to
strong earnings growth.
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We see nearly 15% upside to EPS: We now show the upside that these rate renegotiations
should have to group EPS. We include revenue upside already agreed as well as our
expectations for the upside to come from New York and Massachusetts. Cumulatively we
calculate these rate plans are worth an additional 8.4p, which has been the primary driver of our
March 2012 EPS forecast increasing by 14% from 60.9p to 69.5p.
Inflation fear? Buy Grid: 2010 could also be a year of higher for longer inflation. The UK
regulated assets are inflation protected with inflation passed through to revenues and to the EV
RAB. Whilst US regulation is done in nominal terms, shorter rate plans and some automatic
reopeners for high inflation mitigate the risk.
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Grid remains our favourite UK utility: We remain cautious on UK power and gas markets in
the medium term, (see our report of 9 February, “Cautious on Commodity”). However we see
positive earnings momentum, with good news coming from the US in 2010 for Grid. At the same
time it has a sector beating March 2011 dividend yield of 6.3% (versus the sector at 5.5%),
growing at 8% per annum. With 20% upside to our price target, versus 13% upside on average
across the rest of the sector, we remain Overweight.
NH
might have to get the zapper out
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things getting a bit wild over on the right
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Friday, nearly belltime.
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anything else to touch on?
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Should we give Sainsbury another run?
Sainsbury (J) (SBRY:LSE): Last: 326.30, up 0.1 (+0.03%), High: 329.60, Low: 325.90, Volume: 2.09m
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Several papers seem very excited about the regurgitated QIA rumour
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the flak told me off yesterday about that
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very important we say it is the Qatar Holdings
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are they really going to sell a chunk of their holding to a PE group?
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And crystalise a £1bn or so loss?
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Remember the PE story came up a few months ago, with nothing transpiring then.
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that was the day when Sainsbury surged 20%
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when there was no statement
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I think we are almost done
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The ML effect has failed miserably this morning
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now down just 10 points at 5,151
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and the banks a bit better now too
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY:LSE): Last: 46.02, down 2.13 (-4.41%), High: 49.52, Low: 45.30, Volume: 218.38m
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 257.95, down 10.4 (-3.88%), High: 272.65, Low: 255.00, Volume: 34.19m
Royal Bank of Scotland Group (RBS:LSE): Last: 31.19, down 0.68 (-2.13%), High: 32.51, Low: 31.00, Volume: 39.09m
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Right – bit of a recovery.
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Before we depart for the week, Neil, you must share details of your evening.
NH
what my snooker evening?
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That’s the one. With Whirlwind.
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I met the great man last night
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he was the guest of a new brokerage that’s opening
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and they have their opening bash
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as the Eightball Club in the City
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which was a really odd place
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and then you descend about 50 feet into this snooker room/slash club
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there was the Whirlwind
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and you could play a frame against him
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I didn’t – too buys trying to get some RAW
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but I did see Jimmy’s car
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with the number plated
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apparently we bought it from Ronnie O’Suillivan
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it was pool not snooker
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Sounds elite. And did you pick up any decent raw?
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nothing I hadn’t heard
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had a good chat about Santander though
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some of the private bank clients were there
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offshore types you see
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some deal news in the US
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A consortium of private-equity firms agreed to buy Internet-based corporate-training company SkillSoft for $1.1 billion.
The investor group, which includes Berkshire Partners, Advent International and Bain Capital will pay $10.80 per American Depositary Share, a 9.6% premium to Thursday’s closing price.
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that is it for this week
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we need a name for the Alpha mouse
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answers on the right pls
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It’s quite small and brown.
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So – please – no CEOs of oil companies.
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That’ll only get us into trouble.
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thanks for the suggestions
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will have a think about them over the weekend
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I do like Manuel though
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Yeah – I do like the Spanish theme.
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has been a good boy again
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Pensions spook, but no change to the uncertainty
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Market over reaction to pensions creates bargain opportunity
Yesterday’s results demonstrated continued underlying progression in the turnaround story, particularly in Global Service. But the market reacted very negatively to the “substantial concerns” of the Pension Regulator, which has yet to approve the pension funding agreement made between BT and the Pension trustees. This flagged uncertainty over the potential cash drain of deficit contributions. Investors should look through this issue, however, as there is unlikely to be any change to deficit contributions until after the next triennial valuation. As you were then. The stock is now in bargain territory.
NH
Due process of the pensions regulator
If the regulator chooses to interfere, it would first encourage the trustees to think again. We suspect the trustees are unlikely to change their stance, or if they did, they would be unlikely to gain concessions from BT. The company position is clear – management already believes the trustee’s valuation is £6bn too conservative. BT will fight this issue if it needs to. If the regulator wishes to argue the case, it could seek to appoint independent trustees. To do so the case would have to be heard by the Determination Panel (3 people), who must then issue a Determination Notice of their recommendations. This can be appealed to the Pension Regulator Tribunal and further appeals can be held up to the Court of Appeal. BT highlights that similar procedures are still ongoing relating to 2005 valuations, making any resolution to this issue unlikely until well after the next triennial valuation.
NH
Near term cash payments are fixed
The cash contributions to the pension deficit of £525m in December 2010 and 2011 are fixed and will not change. Any uncertainty relates to payments after 2011, whereby the regulator could dispute both the cash contributions and the time span over which BT funds the deficit. By this time the next triennial valuation will come into play, and the world should be a different place to the Armageddon scenario presented to the trustees at December 2008. Nonetheless, if things do not improve over the next few years, BT could face the prospect of larger contributions over a shorter period.
NH
Worst case scenario, 10 year funding, leaves dividend unaffected
On our analysis BT’s FCF before pensions should rise from £1.7bn to £2bn by 2013. We model dividend related cash payouts of £500m to £600m. This leaves room for well over £1bn of annual pension payments without removing the cash dividend cover. Furthermore, any finalised arrangement would likely be reached after 3 contributory payments had already been made, contributing to a reduction in the deficit, and the impact of any time scale reduction should be reduced; going from, say, 14 years to 10 years, rather than from 17 years to 10 years.
NH
The next funding deficit schedule was always going to be determined at the next triennial valuation. This situation remains unchanged, in our view, with the likelihood that if the Pensions Regulator wants to get involved the argument should run on way beyond the next valuation. At that stage asset values should have recovered more ground and yields normalised further. Beneath it all BT continues to turnaround the operational performance of the group and both regulatory and sector structural changes provide increasing tailwinds for the group. Our numbers, detailed below, have been tweaked up marginally off the back of continued improvements. Yesterday’s drop was an over-reaction to the ever present issue of the pension. In our view, investors would be wise to grab such opportunities to pick up a bargain. BUY.
BE
This is absurd. We’re training Ticker to beg, like Pavlov’s dog.
NH
let’s see if we can train him
BE
(Taxloss – I didn’t look.)
NH
they lunch wrap must go