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Markets Live transcript 14 Jan 2010

Markets Live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:22 on 14 Jan 2010. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT Bryce Elder

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Good morning
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and welcome to rather damp and soggy Markets Live
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FT Alphaville’s daily amble around the markets
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Right
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I feared this might happen
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am going to have to break one of my New Year’s resolutions
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Which one?
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Drink?
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nope
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Gulf Keystone
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said I was not going to talk about this Exxon wannabe till February 1
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but then this came out this morning
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LONDON (Dow Jones)–Gulf Keystone Petroleum Ltd (GKP.LN) said Thursday that Shaikan-1 has been independently evaluated by Dynamic Global Advisors and the range of oil in-place for the Shaikan structure has been increased to a gross 1.9 (P90) to 7.4 (P10) billion barrels of oil, with a mean of 4.2 billion barrels of oil in place.
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MAIN FACTS:
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Previous estimates were 1.0 (P90) and 5.0 (P10).
-In addition, there is upside potential (P1) up to a total of 13 billion barrels of oil in place.
-There are also prospective resources below 2,950 meters (lower Triassic and Permian).
-Potential resources for these deeper formations are–1 to 5 BBO and 6 to 14 TCF, which is in addition to the P1 upside estimate of 13 BBO.
-Discovery greatly reduces the geologic risks in the Sheikh Adi, Akri Bijeel and the Ber Bahr blocks, Gulf Keystone’s adjacent opportunities.
-The Shaikan discovery proves the presence of hydrocarbon source and migration in the area.
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-The Shaikan-1 well has discovered a significant resource of oil and gas in the Cretaceous Sarmord, Jurassic Barsarin, Sargelu, Alan, Mus, Butmah, Baluti and Triassic Kurre Chine formations
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Oh dear.
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What did that do to the share price?
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well it spiked to 119p as all the muppet retail punters and members of the GKP liberation front piled in
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it then rattled back to 100p
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as people realised there wasn’t that much new here
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and that GKP share price is a hungry animal that needs to be feed regular ‘positive’ updates to keep everything nice and firm
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Ha. How cynical.
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and now
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the shares have moved up a bit
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up 8p at 106p
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But I guess the point here is that
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sure — they have a lot of oil
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but will they ever get any of it out
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dunno. who knows.
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and they still need to raise money
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In fact I am puzzled they have not tapped the market yet
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perhaps they were waiting for the price to tick higher
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anyway
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here’s what the our Small Cap Oil Watcher made of it
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The OOIP range for the Shaikan structure is substantially increased. P90-P10 range goes from 1.0-5.0 bn bbls to 1.9-7.4bn bbls with Pmean standing at 4.2 bn bbls. This evaluation covers data from the Cretaceous, Jurassic and Triassic and was performed by Dynamic Global Advisors. Expect the share price to soar this morning. However, we would caution investors regarding upcoming dilution. Cash on hand stands at $25m, and financial requirement for the remainder of 2009 is estimated at $16m. However, $15.6m of cash is restricted in Algeria, so there appears to be a funding shortfall for year to come. Bottom line: if you want to play the Kurdistan drill bit, BUY HOIL for the Miran West-2 and Miran East-1. Use GKP as a source fund. SELL GKP
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Crikey. That’s some pair trade.
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(AL: i have asked Albert if he can provide the slides. no response yet)
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that deserves a government health/wealth warning
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right
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to coincide with today’s good news
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Todd
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the CEO of Gulf
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who sports a nice perma tan
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is presenting today at some Macquaries conference
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and you can find the slides on the GKP website
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Hang on ….
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The site looks to have crashed.
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11:08AM
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and one more thing on the small oily stocks
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before we move on
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Bowleven
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a few people asking why it was up yesterday
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and Evo Securities have a few ideas
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Yesterday Bowleven shares closed up 7.6%, breaking up through the trading range it has held for last 5 months on relatively decent volume but no company specific news. We expect Bowleven to announce within the next month that it has secured a contract for a jack-up rig to drill the appraisal well on the IE discovery, offshore Cameroon. This should help maintain the momentum in the share price as the company heads towards spudding the first of four wells it has planned in 2010 (see Cairn recently for the impact that securing a drilling rig can have on your share price!). Based upon the four wells that Bowleven intends to drill this year and cash on the balance sheet we calculate a core + risked EMV of 159p/sh of which IE contributes 22p/sh on a risked basis (72p/sh unrisked). Success on the four wells could easily see the share price double from its current levels by year end but for the time being we leave our target price unchanged at 115p.
Gulf Keystone Petroleum (GKP:LSE): Last: 105.50, up 7.5 (+7.65%), High: 114.75, Low: 100.00, Volume: 6.61m
BowLeven (BLVN:LSE): Last: 106.25, up 0.25 (+0.24%), High: 106.25, Low: 104.75, Volume: 48.57k
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thanks for those
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oh and just picked this up
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on Afren
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from Merrill
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how love pushing this stuff
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Nigerian oil reform moves ahead and creates new opportunities for Afren
In recent days, the reform of Nigeria’s oil industry appears to be gathering pace
with new changes to the sector being proposed by the government. The increase
of local content in Nigeria’s oil ventures is also likely to involve allowing domestic
investors to take equity stakes in the country’s oil joint ventures (NNPC/Shell,
NNPC/Chevron, NNPC/Total). This should create new growth opportunities for
indigenous oil players such as Afren.
According to press reports, the House of Representatives is expected to receive a
committee-approved draft bill this week for consideration, meanwhile progress of
the bill in the senate looks more gradual.
11:09AM
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Shall we move on to some other oil supermajors?
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(Monkey that’s very good and we will cover DSG a little later on. Praxis will love it)
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yes Shell
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quick mention
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yesterday rumours of the company guiding lower
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and then
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bang
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Indeed. “rumours”.
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analyst mind meld
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the downgrades started to flood in
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RBS and Merrill both went down to $2.9bn op profit for Q4
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A cut of about 20%, and well below the previous range
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Evo also cut forecasts
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amazing isn’t it
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how they all came to the same conclusion on the same day
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Coincidence.
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Obviously.
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great minds think a like and all that
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because as we all know
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selective briefing is not allowed
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anymore downgrades this morning?
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None I’ve seen.
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oh well
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I will put this up then
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a comment from Wibble
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amusing
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Analyst: “Hello”

Shell: “Its Shell Investor Relations here. Have you seen the Chevron profit warning?”

Analyst: “No, I’ve been stuck in Kent by an inch of snow.

Shell: “Well you should definitely read it. Might be important”

Analyst: “You mean that if I was better at my job you wouldn’t need to call to point out a piece of publicly available information that I could have acted on two days ago? You mean that I ignored a direct competitor warning of industry wide margin pressure?

Shell: “Yes and goodbye”

Click

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right
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Shell price
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RDS bs are down 5.5p at 1793p.
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Three-week low or thereabouts I think.
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ok
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wider market
11:13AM
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FTSE’s up
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24 points ahead at 5498
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hmmm
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on the back of Wall Street move
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and the Beige Book business survey from the Fed
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which pointed to immproving economic conditions
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Yup – further “modest” improvement
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Using rather tortured language.
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(/glass houses)
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as ever
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miners good this morning
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Yup – bit of a rally, helped by the Rio statement
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Which we’ll take a look at later
Rio Tinto (RIO:LSE): Last: 3,623, up 84.5 (+2.39%), High: 3,647, Low: 3,591, Volume: 2.44m
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good results
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And we can take another look at Lloyds, which is looking strong today.
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before we do do you want to hear the market conspiracy theory that’s doing the rounds at the moment
11:16AM
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Go on then. I’ll don my tinfoil hat.
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right
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in a smoke filled room
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in Mayfair
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a cabal of hedge funds gathered
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before Xmas
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they figured out most UK institutions are underweight
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and with volumes so low
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they could move the market
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through the futures market
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buying never the end of the day
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the idea being they would sqeeze the market higher
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panic the long onlys
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and then sell
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now
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with volumes being low
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it may, just may, be possible to do this
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and that is apparently why the market has been going up
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usually I don’t go in for this sort of stuff
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but some sensible people chatting about it
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Hm.
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Similar theories have come around quite regularly over the years.
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Usually connected to options expiries and such.
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FTSE futures contracts
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that’s what they have been buying
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these four hedgies
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(Monkey they are all underinvested. still sitting on loads of cash)
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Still ….
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I’m a little suspicious that you can get a “smoke filled room” in Mayfair
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yeah
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I know
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Probably going to break your lease terms.
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actually
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we will have
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a look at the Merrill fund manager survey
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to sill how people are positioned
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next one out on Weds
11:20AM
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Ok -breaking Obama news
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yep
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on the big banking levy
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here we go
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RTRS-OBAMA TO PROPOSE FEE OF 15 BASIS POINTS ON COVERED LIABILITIES OF ELIGIBLE FIRMS, TO LAST MINIMUM OF 10 YEARS – OFFICIAL
11:00 14Jan10 RTRS-OBAMA TO PROPOSE FEE ON FINANCIAL FIRMS WITH ASSETS OF MORE THAN $50 BILLION TO REPAY TARP BAILOUT LOSSES – OBAMA OFFICIAL
11:00 14Jan10 RTRS-BAILOUT FEE WILL RAISE $90 BLN IN 10 YEARS, STAY IN PLACE UNTIL ALL LOSSES PAID; TARP LOSSES CURRENTLY SEEN AT $117 BLN-OFFICIAL
11:00 14Jan10 RTRS-OBAMA BAILOUT FEE WILL INCLUDE AIG , BUT WILL EXCLUDE FANNIE , FREDDIE AND U.S. AUTOMAKERS – OFFICIAL
11:00 14Jan10 RTRS-BAILOUT FEE TO COVER ABOUT 50 FIRMS INCLUDING 35 U.S. FIRMS, OF WHICH 20-27 WILL BE U.S. BANKS – OBAMA ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL
11:00 14Jan10 RTRS-OBAMA FEE WILL APPLY TO FIRMS THAT HAVE REPAID TARP CAPITAL, AS WELL AS FIRMS THAT GOT NONE TO START WITH-OFFICIAL
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hang on
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I have more
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President Barack Obama will propose a fee on Thursday to recoup from the country’s top financial institutions up to $117 billion lost on a taxpayer bank bailout fund, a senior administration official said.
Obama will announce the plan in a statement at 11:50 a.m. (1650 GMT), although full details will not be available until his fiscal 2011 budget is released in early February. It will then be subject to shaping by U.S. lawmakers in the Congress.
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Here are some of the most important details of the financial crisis responsibility fee to recoup losses suffered on the country’s $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP:
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* Obama’s proposal will apply only to firms with over $50 billion in assets. No small or community banks would be subject to this fee. Covered institutions would include bank holding companies, thrift holding companies, insured depositories and insurance companies that as of today own one of these types of entities. Broker-dealers with assets greater than $50 billion dollars would also be covered.
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* Obama’s bailout fee would be approximately 15 basis points, or 0.15 percentage point, of covered liabilities. This would be determined by looking at a firm’s total assets and subtracting their tier one capital, which includes their common stock, disclosed reserves and retained earnings, and as well as FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) deposits for banks, or insurance policy reserves for insurance companies.
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* About 50 firms are expected to be covered in some way by the fee. Around 35 of them will be U.S. companies, and 10-15 will be the U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies. The Obama administration estimates that 20 to 27 of the U.S. firms will be banking institutions.
* Insurer American International Group , saved in a multibillion dollar rescue in September 2008, will not be excluded from the fee.
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* Insurer American International Group , saved in a multibillion dollar rescue in September 2008, will not be excluded from the fee.
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* U.S. automakers who got bailout money will be spared because they were deemed to be industrial companies for whom the liabilities assessment made no sense.
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Also spared are mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac , now in government conservatorship, because the Obama administration did not see that it made sense for taxpayers to effectively have money shifted from one pocket to the other.
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* TARP losses in the fiscal 2011 budget, to be released in early February, will be projected at $117 billion, down from $341 billion in the midsession budget review last year.
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* TARP losses in the fiscal 2011 budget, to be released in early February, will be projected at $117 billion, down from $341 billion in the midsession budget review last year.
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* It expects to raise $90 billion over 10 years and thinks that amount should be enough to cover all TARP losses. But the fee will stay in place until every penny of TARP is repaid.
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Are you all done on that?
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two more
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sorry
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Firms’ liabilities would be determined by their regulator and the fee would be collected by the U.S. Inland Revenue Service and would go to the general fund of the federal budget to ensure that the national debt and budget deficit are fully protected from TARP loss, as is required under U.S. law.
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Firms’ liabilities would be determined by their regulator and the fee would be collected by the U.S. Inland Revenue Service and would go to the general fund of the federal budget to ensure that the national debt and budget deficit are fully protected from TARP loss, as is required under U.S. law.
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so what do we make of that
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I suspect the big IB’s
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like Goldman get clobbered
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by a rather large fee
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Market’s come off a bit on that.
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FTSE’s now up 18 at 5491
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hmmm
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talking of goldman
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did you see the amusing story in the WSJ today?
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Nope – what was that?
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well
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Goldman and Morgan Stanley
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are having a rather petty game
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about who reports earnings first
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GS want to get there first
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or at the same time
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to embarass MOST
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Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. have taken their longtime cat-and-mouse game to a new level: jockeying over when to release their earnings reports for 2009.
The contest might look petty, but there is plenty at stake. Each is hoping to better control the public perceptions of their respective releases. Goldman is trying to deflect some attention from its bonus pool and highlight the differences between its highly profitable year and Morgan’s lackluster results. Morgan, meanwhile, would prefer to avoid comparisons.
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The story picks up in late December, when Morgan Stanley slated its earnings announcement for Jan. 21. A strange thing happened a few weeks later. Goldman announced its own plans to release its year-end earnings. The date: Jan. 21.
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The move turned heads on Wall Street. Firms typically pick different days to report so analysts have more time to digest the data. In fact, Goldman and Morgan have reported on the same day only a handful of times during the past 10 years. Over the past few years, Goldman has typically reported a week or so before Morgan.
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Yes – that is rather pathetic.
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(different pseudonym – don’t ask leading questions pls)
11:26AM
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Right
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we got rather sidetracked there
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we were going to have a look at Lloyds
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which are top of the FTSE 100 pile
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at the moment
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY:LSE): Last: 57.89, up 1.89 (+3.38%), High: 58.00, Low: 56.58, Volume: 83.13m
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Yup
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And Ian Gordon, the sector’s most prolific scribbler, has published again
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oh
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he was pushing RBS the other week
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with some success too
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what’s the view on Lloyds then
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target price?
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67p
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Up tuppence on his previous
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Here’s the first line
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We remain positive, but not delusional
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Which you can’t really argue with.
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(Yes Lorcan that’s made up. I have heard Frank called a lot of things but never a gusher)
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The gist is that there remains too much risk baked into the valuation
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Although the state stake keeps a lif on things
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Here’s the summary
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We turned positive on Lloyds Banking Group with our upgrade report Calling the Bottom, 18 December 2009. The stock closed that day at 48.7p and has since rebounded by 15%. The primary reasons for our continued positive stance are that we now see further dilution risk (beyond the planned February 2010 share issuance) as low, and the impairment and margin trends as improving. Indeed, we suspect that these sentiments are now increasingly consensual. The stock is now trading at just 1.1x 2010e (trough) tangible book, which appears unreasonable However, we do disassociate ourselves from talk of any rapid return to a share price above 100p, a view which appears to ignore a “glass ceiling” imposed by HM Treasury’s 43.4% stake
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HM Treasury’s average in-price of 74.35p remains relevant
To be clear, we do not anticipate any disposal of HM Treasury’s 43.4% stake during 2010 because we believe that it will not be deemed politically acceptable to crystallise a loss, and we do not expect Lloyds to be trading above 74.35p near-term. Whereas RBS did (briefly) trade above HM Treasury’s average in-price in August/September 2009, no early selldown took place, and HM Treasury has remained consistently underwater on its Lloyds’ stake ever since its first GBP13bn injection in January 2009.
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Wicket
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Colly gone
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115-5
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anymore on that Bryce?
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One last bit, talking about regime change.
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Purge of UK banks less likely than Conservative Party candidates list?
Political risks remain. We have previously noted Lloyds’ “cosy” relationship with the UK authorities, an important positive which underpins the Group’s belief that it can run with lower medium-term core capital ratios than UK peers. However, potential regime change in May carries less predictable risks. David Cameron’s “machine” has
demonstrated authoritarianism in its “purge” of libertarian-oriented candidates from the Conservative Party parliamentary candidates list. Lloyds must hope that any future assault on its dominant market shares or deferred tax assets is less ruthless.
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ah
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so that means
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If Big Dave gets in
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then Eric gets the spanish archer at Lloyds
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Hm.
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It’s an interesting thought, isn’t it?
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although the big Labour support at lloyds
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Sir Victor ‘blank’ cheque has gone
11:32AM
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Right
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this Timis interview is amazing
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really amazing
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his fancy PR people really need to be more careful
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Frank sounds dangerous
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mad
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unhinged
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Indeed
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Brilliant work by Chris Blackhurst
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Frank Timis wants a vodka. It’s three o’clock in the afternoon, it’s cold outside and he wants a sharpener. Except we’re in The Wolseley and they can’t serve alcohol without food at this time.
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“What do you mean, I can’t have a fucking vodka?” he asks. The waitress says he’s got to eat. “Okay, we’ll have a fucking bag of chips then,” says Timis. Eventually, Timis gets his Absolut. And all is well.
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Lovely.
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But you wouldn’t know it from his opening gambit: “Tell me any entrepreneur in London and New York who has built and started companies the way I have,” he fumes. “If you’re a nine-to-five accountant that’s what you do — be an accountant. They don’t create wealth. I create wealth for my investors, for my employees. I provide jobs. I build schools, hospitals, clinics. Every time I build a company I do these things.” He gestures with his hand in a furious chopping motion. “It takes a lunatic like me to do this.”
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there plenty more gems in there
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but don’t you just love the way
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charidee
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always gets a mention
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and he has a model wife
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While Regal shareholders suffered, Timis is far from impoverished — some of his businesses have done well. How much is he worth? “A lot,” he says. Later, he says: “My portfolio is worth $1.3 billion.” He’s 45, lives in Knightsbridge with his beautiful Romanian TV presenter wife, Carmen Gheorghita, and flies round the world in his private jet, visiting his multiple oil and mining interests.
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And, as noted on the right ….
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Here’s the article
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He was born Vasile Frank Timis in Romania in 1947.
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And here’s Wikipedia
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Frank Timiş (born Vasile Timiş, 28 January 1963)
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How odd.
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and this is great, he even has a hard luck story
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he graduated from the university of life
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For our meeting he turns up armed with a 13-page detailed dossier headed “Frank Timis — A Profile of Success” and two supportive colleagues.

He was born Vasile Frank Timis in Romania in 1947. “I have no education. My father died when I was eight. He was outspoken against the Ceaucescu regime. He was killed in an underground mine. As he passed some dynamite, it exploded. It was a set-up. I have no doubt. He was murdered.” (There’s also a different reported Timis version, in which his father was shot by a Ceaucescu hit squad).

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When he was 12, Timis says he left school. At 15, he escaped Romania by walking to Italy. “It took 42 days. We crawled for six nights to get over the borders so we didn’t accidentally walk on top of a border guard.” (Although in Bucharest, other reports have it that his exit was a bit more mundane — emigrating to Australia as a qualified car mechanic. To be fair, he is subject to much hostility in his homeland, ever since, after Ceaucescu fell, he went back to Romania and the government there sold him a licence to the country’s “Gold Quadrilateral” mining district for a bargain $3 million.)
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Right
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that’s it
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I want the film rights to Frank’s life
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this would make a cracking film
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annd he ends on charidee
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which he DOES A LOT OF GOOD WORK FOR
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in case you didn’t know
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Watling leans over. ““Frank is known for once using heroin and for Regal. He’s not known for what else he does and what he makes for others.”

Timis and Watling mention his support of Sparks, the children’s medical charity and his investment in a company developing a more effective method of treating malaria. “The drug-running entrepreneur’ is just not true,” says Timis. “If I make a mistake, you can slap me, no problem. Then I’ll buy you a beer.”

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good god
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amazing interview
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We could spend all day on this.
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Incredible his keepers allowed it to happen.
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However, we should move on to something more highbrow.
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yes
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lots of companies reporting today
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especially in the retail sector
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(catch dropped)
11:38AM
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so retailers
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lots of good Xmas statements today
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and yet share prices fall
Home Retail Group (HOME:LSE): Last: 266.20, down 17.3 (-6.10%), High: 286.00, Low: 265.60, Volume: 15.45m
HMV Group (HMV:LSE): Last: 86.00, down 5.75 (-6.27%), High: 93.20, Low: 83.75, Volume: 10.53m
DSG International Plc (DSGI:LSE): Last: 37.60, up 0.07 (+0.19%), High: 38.93, Low: 36.67, Volume: 34.14m
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Well
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I gues on HMV
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it is the poor figs from Waterstones
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and this rather bonkers idea that they might buy Luminar
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in fact we heard that a few weeks back
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but just thought it dumb
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why on earth would they want that
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I think there’s a little sense there, personally.
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but look
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what’s going on here
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decent Xmas numbers today in the main
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and then
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whack
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they all get hit
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well, it’s a bit of travelling and arriving
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and also
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I think people have realised
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that 2010 won’t be as easy for the retailers at 2009
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and are getting out of the sector and switching into something else
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anyway
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this won’t please Praxis
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but the DSG results are really rather good
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in fact they are sharply better than expectations
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Group LFL +8%
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market was looking for 0.5%
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3Q LFL sales by format: UK Electrical +8%
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and as a result of that
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consensus April 2010 PBT forecasts are rising by 15-20% £85-90m (EPS 1.60-1.70p)
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From?
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oh around £74m at the moment
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they must have sorted the stock availability issues then
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I guess so
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the rights issue deffo helped in that respect
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credit insurance was available for their suppliers
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post that
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but the DSG numbers are good
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and while I can’t belive the UBSOTD
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the new guy at DSG is starting to impress
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Got any notes?
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yep
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this is from Caz
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DSG – DSGI.L, DSGI LN, 37.5p, In-Line, Sector Strategy View – Overweight
- Lfl sales performances in the 12 weeks to 9 January are as follows:
UK & Ireland Electricals +8%, gross margin slightly lower (est -20/-40bps), UK Computing -3% (nearer flat adjusting for weakness in B2B sales, gross margin est +70bps)
Nordics +18% (gross margin est -250bps due to TV pricing realignment between stores and internet and mix effects with Norway less strong than other countries)
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Other International +5% with Italy likely to have been in high single digits, Greece close to flat having invested some margin, Spain about flat and Central Europe down in mid single figures
E-commerce total +15% in local forex, but with gross margins around -150bps
Group lfl +8%, Group gross margin -80bps reflecting DSG shifting to a more aggressive trading stance overall.
Sales uplifts in revamped stores have remained strong, in particular the Megastores and Currys/PC World hybrids, and some of the operational practices have been rolled into the rest of the chains to the benefit of lfls.
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- With the exception of UK Computing, the divisional lfl numbers are roughly 7% ahead of our assumptions, although we had assumed a 30bps gross margin decline, the difference being worth about 2% off reported lfl’s. Our FY10E PBT estimate of £70.0m ex property is raised to £92m (EPS: 0.9p).
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- For next year we are upgrading our PBT estimate from £110m to £120m (EPS: 2.0p). This is less than pro rata and reflects caution over the UK macro environment (with bigger ticket categories more vulnerable if VAT is raised further) and management’s natural inclination to keep up a rapid pace of investment with the renewal stores performing strongly.
- The trading update is unambiguously positive and demonstrates genuine momentum within the business. We are expecting the sector to encounter negative sentiment as the Christmas reporting season finishes, but as a special situation DSG should be relatively immune given that the current earnings trajectory points to the PE valuation normalising within the next 18 months or so.
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what about HMV
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do we have any comment on that
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and especially this Luminar idea
11:45AM
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Figures first ……
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Big disappointment is Waterstone’s where LFLs declined by 8.5%
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ouch
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that’s sounds nasty
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Versus core chain up 2.2%
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(Fatdaz EmoticonEmoticon)
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Just dragging some research out of the glacial Lotus Notes ….
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ok
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Here’s Investec
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Summary: HMV has historically delivered its strongest LFL performance over
the key peak trading period over Christmas. Given the withdrawal of sector
capacity in the form of Woolworths and Zavvi – and in the absence of disruptive
pricing from these two competitors last year when they were liquidating stock –
HMV should have performed better this year, notwithstanding games market
weakness. In effect, HMV continued to gain market share across all product
categories in the UK, driving a LFL sales increase of 2.2%, and delivered a
more encouraging performance in its International division than we expected,
with LFLs declining by 3.6% (Investec -6%). Waterstone’s disappointed, with
LFLs declining by 8.5%. However, in light of effective margin management over
the festive period, the company expects a 20bps uplift to group gross margin in
FY10E and remains confident in the full year outlook.
BE
Divisional performance: Sales growth in HMV UK was supported by the
encouraging performance of temporary stores as well as the contribution of ex-
Zavvi stores. It is worth pointing out that HMV continued to gain market share in
gaming, despite the increased non-specialist competition. E-commerce
delivered a robust result with double-digit sales growth recorded in the period.
Waterstone’s performance was dampened by a weak books market as well as
inevitable clearance activity caused by capacity exit. With Waterstone’s
remaining the last book specialist, and assuming no significant deterioration in
the books market, we believe there is scope for improvement in performance.
The group have today announced the appointment of Dominic Myers as
Watestone’s new Managing Director. He was formerly the HMV Group
Development Director, since 2007.
BE
Outlook/our view: The combination of solid performance by HMV over the peak
Christmas period and increased gross margin guidance compensates for the
shortfall in Waterstone’s performance. We, therefore, believe that our current
year forecast of £78m vs. consensus of £75m remains well underpinned. The
shares are trading at a 51% discount to the General Retail Sector Cal.10E PE
rating of 13.7x. We believe the valuation continues to be punishing for what
remains a strong market performer with an increasingly diverse revenue stream.
BE
Nobody on the sellside seems hugely interested in this Luminar tie-up
NH
I am not surprised
NH
looks like it was put out as smokescreen by Luminar
NH
to diguise
NH
an awful trading update
NH
from what is the FT’s biggest nightclub operator
BE
As for the ROTR, remember HMV already owns quite a few venues. Forum Kentish Town and Hammersmith Apollo, for example.
NH
that’s true
NH
but look at the Times story on this
NH
a JV COULD lead to a bid
NH
it may NOT lead to a bid
NH
but handy to have on a day like this
BE
(The latter charged me £16 for a double whiskey and a pint of guinness on Sunday, suggesting it may be quite a profitable operation.)
NH
quick bit of Luminar comment
NH
from Panmure
NH
Luminar has issued its Christmas and New Year trading statement. There is
no discernable improvement from the IMS issued on 17 December with LFL
sales in H2 –13.4% including –13.8% in December. Given this sales trend and
the poor weather in January, which has a significant effect on footfall, the
group now expects PBT to be below market expectations of £6.9m. We have
downgraded our FY 2010E PBT forecast by 35% to £4.0m (EPS 3.4p). We
retain our Sell recommendation and reduce our price target to 20p.
NH
There is an article in The Times this morning suggesting that Luminar and HMW are
exploring a tie-up regarding cross-marketing to consumer bases, initially aimed at six
clubs. There is speculation that this could eventually lead to a takeover but we do not
believe this would be a sensible strategic move for HMV.
BE
20p
BE
Ouch.
Luminar Group Holdings (LMR:LSE): Last: 43.00, down 4.5 (-9.47%), High: 46.00, Low: 42.50, Volume: 536.19k
11:50AM
NH
Right
NH
a few bits of RAW for you
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH
Fenner
NH
not sure what it does
NH
conveyor belts perhaps
BE
Yup – for the mining industry mostly.
NH
so its mining play then
BE
Kind-of.
BE
Although the “selling shovels in the gold rush” idea never really worked for them.
NH
that’s true
NH
anyway they had numbers yesterday
NH
which I think we OK
NH
but what I am heading
NH
is Melrose
NH
that acquisition conglomerate thing
NH
have been taking a look
NH
this could be the next target
NH
and Melrose have been quiet for a while
NH
I think there last deal
NH
was buying something private
Melrose (MRO:LSE): Last: 176.70, down 2.2 (-1.23%), High: 180.00, Low: 176.50, Volume: 153.17k
NH
ex Hanson guys run it
NH
very experienced
NH
and very very well respected in the City
NH
there would be a ot of backing for their next venture
BE
Their last deal was FKI, wasn’t it?
NH
it was
NH
that’s right
NH
FKI
NH
now
NH
that had an operation
NH
if I recall
NH
that did laguage systems for airports
NH
they are conveyor belts too
BE
Logistex, it was called.
NH
that was it
BE
However, this is how rumours start.
BE
We should stop fishing, and note that FKI had a very strong trading satement yesterday
NH
you mean Fenner
NH
not FKI
BE
Emoticon
BE
Here’s a “buy” note from house broker RBS.
BE
Fenner’s IMS1 included, in our view, a healthy and reassuring message. We have
upgraded our FY10 forecasts by 6%, but still see upside risk to this forecast as
we move through the year – this is a conservative company. We believe Fenner
remains attractively valued and stay at Buy. New TP 214p (from 207p).
BE
AGM/IMS trading update
Management described ytd trading returns as “most encouraging”, with sales decline slowing
and EBIT running ahead of the prior year, despite a tough comparative period. Mining sector
revenues have remained “robust” – China and South Africa have been strong, and Australia
and the UK are holding up well. In the Advanced Engineering Products division, Prodesco
has made “further progress” and signs of recovery in the industrial businesses are “becoming
increasingly apparent”, with de-stocking largely coming to an end. Organic cash flow
generation has also been better than the prior year, resulting in lower-than-expected debt.
BE
Outlook still looks promising in the short/medium term, in our view
Recent acquisitions, the benefits of the recent capex programme and last year’s cost saving
initiatives have driven improved returns versus last year. Profits in December were better
than management had expected, and order books have strengthened. Management believe
that a continuation of the recovery in industrial markets and further short-term resilience in
the mining sector has the “potential to drive further benefits” and “attractive earnings growth”.
We continue to believe in the attractiveness of the business, across both divisions.
NH
what’s happened with the formating??
NH
that looks awful anyhow
BE
Looks fine for me.
11:56AM
NH
lets move on
NH
more RAW
NH
so
NH
rumours this week of hot buying in the insurance sector
NH
particularly of Aviva
NH
and apparently the bandits are buying again today
Aviva (AV:LSE): Last: 416.50, up 7.5 (+1.83%), High: 418.00, Low: 410.50, Volume: 7.07m
NH
now, the idea seems to be that it is Aviva which is the target for Resolution
NH
not Legal & General
NH
as had been rumoured
Legal and General Group (LGEN:LSE): Last: 84.15, up 1.2 (+1.45%), High: 84.45, Low: 83.10, Volume: 7.81m
NH
apparently Deutsche Bank wrote a note to this effect
NH
recently
NH
however
NH
I reckon some of today’s move in Aviva
NH
is down to this Morgan Stanley
BE
Yup – here’s the summary
BE
Scope for increasing the dividend growth rate: Although the dividend was only recently cut (1H09), we believe that subsequently Aviva’s cash prospects have improved. Markets have recovered, the partial IPO of Delta Lloyd has been completed and the estate attribution has been approved. On our old dividend forecasts (3% p.a. growth), IFRS operating cover would exceed 2.5x by FY12 – given this, we are increasing our dividend growth rate forecasts for FY10 (+5%),
FY11 (+7.5%), FY12 (+10%).
BE
We are cutting our FY09e earnings estimates to reflect an assumed £150mn cost from bad weather: We have also taken the opportunity to adjust downward our life earnings, where we were probably a little too optimistic. However, beyond FY09 we make modest upward revisions to earnings forecasts – FY10 (up 1.3% IFRS, up 0.6% MCEV), FY11 (up 3.0% and 2.3%) and FY12 (up 3.1% and 1.5%). Although the market backdrop has reduced the relevance of the 98p FY12
IFRS EPS target, our FY12 EPS is 39% below this.

Stock remains inexpensive in our view: Aviva is trading modestly below our FY09e MCEV forecast of 447p – this is despite our expectation of a 19% operating RoEV for FY10. We also believe that the dividend yield is attractive at 5.8% (FY10).

Where we could be wrong: The biggest risk to our view is that the benefits of Aviva’s ongoing restructuring take more time to show through in the numbers given the near-term weak outlook for top-line growth.

NH
interesting
NH
scope to increase the dividend
NH
it wasn’t long ago
NH
we were talking about Aviva and dividend cuts
NH
how things change
NH
interesting call that
BE
Indeed.
11:59AM
NH
Okay it is midday
NH
so we had better start bringing things to a close
NH
a quick visit to small cap corner
NH
and the ROTR fav gold stock
BE
Vatothingmy?
NH
Vatukoula Gold
BE
We’ve no autoticker for this thing.
NH
(soundbuy I can’t get hold of my source on this one)
NH
well
NH
massive vol yesterday
NH
and up 12.9% to 2.24p today
NH
company is on a roadshow
NH
London 13-15th Jan, New York 22nd Jan
NH
arbuthnot doing that
NH
and there is a really bullish note from a broker called Hichens
NH
doing the rounds
BE
Give us a look then.
NH
hang on
NH
searching in notes
NH
here we go
NH
Vatukoula announces an updated gold ore reserve estimate
VGM reported a 43-101 compliant ore reserve of 0.68Moz and an ore resource of 4.33Moz (including tailings) which is in line with previous management guidance. The
global in-situ estimate of 5 Moz is substantially larger than the industry median of 2.1Moz and does not contain the near surface gold oxide material currently being
processed in the Mill.
NH
First quarter production to end of November higher than expected
VGM produced 12.2koz for the first quarter ending 30th November 2009 (64% increase pcp). The higher than expected output was mainly due to higher underground grades of
8.63g/t (13% higher than average grade for the FY09). The company is targeting annualised production of 110koz by end of calendar year 2010.
NH
We have increased our gold & silver estimates for the next four years.
Higher than expected gold & silver prices are anticipated as the global economy begins to recover and the risks of deflation subside and the market begins to focus on a world
with higher inflation. We believe gold and silver will average US$1095/oz and US$17.30/oz respectively over the next four years, an average increase of +7.8% from
our previous estimates. Countering this we believe energy costs will rise by 7% with crude oil prices averaging US$86/bbl over the same period.
NH
We retain our BUY recommendation, increased target price of 2.7p (from 2.4p)
On the back of higher than expected 1st quarter grades and higher than expected gold prices we have increased our EBITDA expectations for FY10 by 135% and FY11 by
18%. We expect that quarterly gold production will be volatile for the next 12 months as the average head grade is a function of the number of operating stopes and the recent
investment in new mining equipment will take at least six months before enough new stopes can be brought into the mine plan. We retain our full year production forecast of
44koz for the year ending August 31, 2010.
NH
aluation
We value Vatukoula using a combination of discounted cash flow and in-situ resource value. Free cash flows generated from the six year mine reserve are discounted at a
WACC of 13% which takes into account geopolitical risk of operating in Fiji. We apply an industry average US$74/oz per ore resource ounce to the remaining recoverable
resource estimate of 2.3Moz to arrive at our value estimate.

Risks
Key risks to our recommendation include fluctuations in commodity prices, especially gold and crude oil, along with the GBPUSD, USDFJD & AUDUSD.

12:02PM
NH
On Rentokil
NH
the last we heard
NH
was hot buying from Switzerland
NH
on the view that Securitas might buy them
NH
the Telegraph has a different view
NH
ISS
NH
that’s the name
NH
the Telegraph think is looking
NH
but then there was that Goldman upgrade as well
NH
the other day
BE
Geared recovery play, Rentokil.
BE
Tends towards sharp moves, which can rather amplify the grift in the market.
NH
yes
NH
like the parcel division disposal story
12:04PM
NH
Bryce
NH
anything else to look at?
BE
Well, before we wrap up
BE
Worth mentioning this note from Nomura on the Reits
NH
(bell has had his poles knocked over)
NH
(OUT)
BE
pulls no punches
BE
It’s from Mike Prew, who called last year’s sector recovery probably better than anyone else
BE
and he’s turned bearish
NH
(TB EmoticonEmoticonEmoticon)
NH
really
NH
now that is interesting
BE
Yeah – it’s a bit long, but well worth reading
NH
got the note
BE
Exactly a year on from our ‘point of maximum pessimism’, we may be at the ‘point of maximum optimism’. Last January, we warned of depressed NAVs, but recommended buying cheap rescue rights issues. For 2010, we are reversing this, and recommend taking profits on the ‘bumper crop’ of NAVs that we expect during 1H10 with the 100bp beneficial yield shift likely to be over 12 months instead of the two years that we first forecast in 2Q09.

The bottleneck of money being forced into an ultra low supply of prime assets is spilling over into secondary stock, but drivers of low currency and bond yields are temporary side-effects of quantitative easing. Property needs debt and occupational demand to prosper and there is a shortage of both. The rental recovery for larger prime London offices is at risk, we think, from the UK exporting financial service jobs after the Pre-Budget Report’s (PBR) ‘City super tax’.

BE
Real estate values started recovering from July after a 44% fall that partially captures the rental recession. Our central thesis is that values are dominated by capital flows, not rental fundamentals. Prices are set externally and are increasingly exposed to any bond market ‘shock’. It’s a salutary lesson that after a similar ‘post ERM’ bounce in 1993, prices relapsed in 1994-95, triggered by a hike in US (not UK) rates, despite rents recovering.

Post QE, a currency recovery may price out overseas buyers, and gilt yields rising to 5% would make 6% real estate look expensive, in our opinion. Real estate returns risk
hibernating until rents recover, with the next cycle defined by the behavior of the banks. A tighter regulatory framework and post bail-out sensitivity in an election year could see the disintermediation of banks from real estate pricing, with both debt and equity expensive and rationed.

Global REIT markets rose 50% in the six months from April. The UK majors, however, have given back a cycle’s growth with dilutive (to those that did not participate) right issues, degearing at the bottom of the cycle and missing the ‘QE boat’. Access to public equity defined the survivors, not REIT status, with the savvy companies broadening their sources of capital e.g. Simon Property Group and SEGRO unsecured bonds; Unibail convertible
bond.

BE
Most REIT boards are in strategic cul-de-sacs with re-heated business models having lost any ability to read the cycle. Many sold assets at 8% and are now buying at 6% when bond type rental streams are, we think, beginning to appear expensive with a risk of a ‘double dip’. We think UK REIT dividends offer inadequate support, and boards buying earnings accretion are running the risk of asset dilution and shortening CEO tenure.

The REIT ‘brain drain’ to start-ups continues. Big brand names: Mould & Vaughan; Brown & Leslau; Walton & Alford; Hugill & Butler; Hussey & Jones; Jones, Beresford & Stirling et al, specialise in making money, not benchmarking. We think business model specialisation will displace scale, which, after all, did not protect the sector ‘supertankers’ from the crash.

These now risk being demoted to sector ballast for long-only funds to reweight the sector around a central portfolio of real estate ‘alpha capture funds

NH
and it is having a bit of an impact
British Land Co (BLND:LSE): Last: 460.80, down 5.2 (-1.12%), High: 468.40, Low: 460.70, Volume: 1.62m
Land Securities Group PLC (LAND:LSE): Last: 689.50, down 4.5 (-0.65%), High: 699.00, Low: 689.50, Volume: 887.80k
Liberty International PLC (LII:LSE): Last: 489.80, down 2.8 (-0.57%), High: 495.10, Low: 489.70, Volume: 246.85k
Hammerson (HMSO:LSE): Last: 398.60, down 1.3 (-0.33%), High: 406.60, Low: 398.30, Volume: 709.26k
BE
And weren’t we going to mention Rio?
NH
oh yes
NH
almost forgot that
NH
yep
NH
decent update
NH
hang on
NH
I have a few notes on this
NH
This from Liberum
NH
Rio Tinto announced their production results this morning. Overall, these are very strong production results with iron ore and mined copper production beating company guidance for the year by 3.3% and 2.6% respectively. The company looks attractively valued at 9.9x spot 2010 P/E and 5.9x EV/EBITDA. If we value Rio Tinto’s aluminium business at the upper end of Rusal’s pricing range, the ex-aluminium value of Rio is currently trading at 4.7x EV/EBITDA compared to Xstrata’s 5.8x implying a potential re-rating of Rio’s ali business in 2010. This analysis gives two conclusions: First that current valuations imply that RIO did not massively overpay for Alcan ($36bn paid net of disposals) and b) RIO remains cheap in our view
NH
and here’s the take from merrill
NH
Rio Tinto: Q4 Production: Strong set of numbers, driven by strong performance in
iron ore and copper
Potential 2-4% earnings upside for consensus 2009 estimates
The key divisions ore, copper and coal (esp. Aust coal) performed ahead of
company guidance and BofA ML expectations. These three business units
account for ~92% of 2009e EBITDA.
Iron ore – 2% ahead of BAS-MLe. Consolidated production of 217Mt vs 210-215
guidance. Profit sensitivity here would add around 1.5-2% to earnings.
On an annual basis, production reached a record
NH
We view this as supportive for our recently upgraded iron ore benchmark
estimate for 2010: we now forecast iron ore +50% 2010 vs. consensus
expectations of 20-30%.
Copper – overall better than guided by around 2-3%. 5% ahead of BAS-MLe.
Looks like Escondida is now running much better after a couple of quarters of mill
production issues.
NH
Coal – the Coal and Allied numbers look good. Aust thermal 4% ahead BAS-MLe.
The company reduced stocks in 4Q whilst production climbed as well. US Coal -
10% light, but not as big a driver as Aust coal.
Aluminium inline at +1% vs. BAS-MLe.
Diamonds ahead by 5% – not a big driver
Some misses in the smaller divisions e.g. Borates, Uranium. Not a big impact on
earnings, and uranium numbers were in the market yesterday.
General outlook comments:
Rio comments that it is seeing recovery across most of its commodities although
it continues to be cautious on going into 2010 as stimulus packages wind down

Rio Tinto (RIO:LSE): Last: 3,593, up 54 (+1.53%), High: 3,647, Low: 3,588, Volume: 2.87m
NH
and Investec are pushing
NH
Xstrata this morning
NH
saying it is more than an M&A machine
12:09PM
NH
Okay
NH
Bryce
NH
do we have any view on Cadbury
NH
or Hersbury
NH
as Paul has dubbed it
Cadbury (CBRY:LSE): Last: 795.00, up 5.5 (+0.70%), High: 799.50, Low: 793.00, Volume: 3.09m
BE
Does creeping boredom count as a view?
NH
nope
NH
you must have a view
NH
can they do it or not?
BE
Meh.
BE
Dunno.
NH
you have a 50% chance of being correct
BE
It’s sensible for Hershey to say they’re still in the game.
NH
but can they pay
NH
the kind of price Cadbury want
NH
850p and above?
BE
It’ll be difficult, given Hershey’s structure.
NH
yes
NH
will need disposals
NH
private equity cash
NH
and also a big cash call
NH
very ambitious
BE
Very, yes.
BE
I’m going to stick my neck on the line and say it’s Kraft or nothing.
BE
But we’ve been over these issue a million times. I’m not sure what we can add now.
NH
right
NH
a view
NH
excellent
NH
and with that
NH
are we done?
BE
On that bombshell, we are.
NH
actually
NH
someone asking about Mothercare
NH
and Halfords
NH
which also filed figures
NH
on this retail Super Thursday
NH
here’s some thoughts from Oriel
NH
Halfords’ Q3 is good and consensus will upgrade but the shares’ good run may mean
that they give a bit back today. It’s a great company though and remains a buy,
especially on any weakness.
 2.3% LFL for Q3 (NB up to Jan 2 and not benefitting from the worst of the weather) is a
good effort and in line with our forecasts.
 Car maintenance and cycling have both been strong, and this has helped Halfords beat
expectations on the gross margin (due to be up 250 bps in H2). Sat nav was weak.
 There is an upgrade to consensus: we were top of the range on £112m (cons. £109m)
and we will add £2m to be tidy.
 However the shares were anticipating good news and given the sector’s mood to “travel
then arrive”, they may be pressured today.
 We would be buyers on weakness though: this is a fine, cash generative growth business
and 10x PE is too cheap. BUY
NH
Strong performance allows for 5% upgrade to top of
range forecasts
 Overall this is a good statement with room to upgrade our top of the range forecasts by c.
5% to £42.5m. The detail is also good with both international and the UK better than
anticipated.
 UK LfLs came in at +4.2% for Q3 (13 weeks to 8 January 2010). We were forecasting 0%
in H2 and there might be some room for a tweaking here.
 Total international sales were up 14.0% in local currency (+9.3% in sterling), which is
largely in line with expectations.
 Our upgrade this morning would put the stock on 18.3x earnings for the year to March
2010 and 14.3x for the year to March 2011. We believe the growth potential for the
International markets could accelerate and still believe the growth story. BUY.
NH
hope that helps
NH
thanks for joining us today
NH
market up 23 points now
NH
at 5,497.11
BE
Hang on – also got Jefferies giving a rather more rounded argument of the Hershey solo bid theory
NH
Eng are in dire trouble in the test
NH
136-6
BE
And they agree with me
BE
Which is nice
BE
We view a solo Hershey bid as a probability of 15%. We estimate
a 2/3 probability of Kraft winning. Balance of 18% is the
probability that Cadbury will remain independent. 810p PT is the
level at which Kraft could convince >50% of shareholders in the
absence of a counter- bid.
BE
Key Points
• Solo Hershey bid would be surprising. This comes as a
surprise as Ferrero on Tuesday 12.01.10 apparently withdrew
from the contest. Hershey and Ferrero, which initially
announced their intentions to review the Cadbury situation in
the context of a Kraft (KFT US, NC) bid through individual press
releases put out on the same day in Q4-09, we viewed as
needing one another given the size of the target.
• A solo Hershey bid would be extremely challenging as 1:/
Hershey has an EV of $9.9bn against our counter bid take out
EV for Cadbury of $21.3bn; 2:/ This could imply a rights issue
so deep that the Hershey Trust would lose control; 3:/ Private
equity as a partner seems unlikely given high yield Itraxx at
500-600bps currently 4:/ Kraft has considerably strengthened
its hand in our opinion since the sale of the frozen pizza
business to Nestle for $3.7bn announced on 5.01.10.
BE
Were a solo bid to be confirmed, how could a deal be
structured and at what level? 1:/ We believe that a
counter-bid situation were it to evolve would lift the Cadbury
share price to 860p. This would equate to putting gum at a 10%
discount to the Wrigleys/MasterFood deal negotiated when
markets were approximately 10% higher than they are currently.
Chocolate and sugar confectionery would be valued at current
Hershey valuation; 2;/ Hershey would likely have to sell its
KitKat franchise US to Nestle for which we estimate that
Hershey could expect $1.6bn. Furthermore, Hershey could
consider selling Cadbury’s highly valuable Gum franchise to a
third party. We believe that the Gum business could be worth
£7.9bn ($12.9bn) in a stand alone sale. As a result, we
conclude that were Hershey able to sell KitKat and the gum
business for the aforementioned amounts, the company could
find itself in control of the chocolate and sugar confectionery
businesses for $6.8bn; 3:/ Given consensus figures on
Hershey, we would estimate that residual value as 5.2X
Hershey’s consensus net debt to EBITDA; 4:/ Were Hershey in
a position to contemplate a 1-3 rights issue at a 20% discount,
the ratio would fall to 3.9X net debt to EBITDA.
NH
and thanks everyone for logging in today
BE
Some good comments today.
NH
yes
NH
nice to monty again
NH
is only fleetingly
NH
and DLC Expert
NH
view on Hersbury
NH
more than welcome
NH
Wicket
NH
another one
NH
136-7
NH
this is a rout
NH
is the wicket dodgy
NH
is it the thin air
NH
up there on the highveld
NH
or are we just playing badly??
BE
MZ: I have no thoughts on Herencia Resources.
NH
never looked at
NH
did not even know of existence before today
BE
If there’s talk on the boards about multibagging, it might go on to our “special” watchlist.
BE
And on that, let’s close this thing.
NH
Thanks Monkey
NH
can we quote you on that
NH
when the saffers have racked up 500+
BE
Enough with the cricket! Lunchtime!
NH
oh yes
NH
we are off the Gourmet Burger Kitchen
NH
Alida is popping by
NH
to say hello
NH
Alida used to be our administrator here on AV
NH
‘fatigued’
NH
this guy
NH
is a professional athelete
NH
who bowled 40 overs a week ago
NH
what’s wrong with him
NH
or is ‘fatigued’
NH
some sort of
NH
well lie
NH
because something else has happened
NH
anyway
NH
the GBK beckons
NH
see you all tomorrow
NH
thanks for joining in
NH
Lorcan
NH
that’s very true
NH
it is
NH
I am slightly
NH
fatigued today
NH
but nothing a burger won’t sort out
NH
right we are
NH
done
NH
the Lunch Wrap needs to go
BE
(Hm. Ive just looked at a Herencia Resources bulletin board, and now I need my eyes cleansed.)
NH
is it that bad
NH
where and what is this company looking for??
BE
Punters.
NH
mug ones at that
BE
That may be over cynical. Copper/gold in Chile.
BE
Zinc/lead/silver
BE
Whatever it can find, basically.
NH
right
NH
right
NH
we are done
NH
byeeeeeeeeee
BE
Afternoon.
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