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Markets live transcript 4 Dec 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:13 on 4 Dec 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Bryce Elder (BE) Paul Murphy (PM)

NH:
Good morning
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and welcome to Markets Live
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FT Alphaville’s daily markets chat
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which starts at 11.03am, sharp, Monday to Friday
NH:
Bryce is here
BE:
Morning.
NH:
Now some of you may have noticed a change in the FT this morning
NH:
There’s no longer a picture of Murphy on Markets backpage
BE:
NH:
he has been airbrushed out of history and replaced by Bryce
NH:
who is not best pleased about his picture
BE:
They’re using a horrendous byline pic from a year or two ago
BE:
That makes me look like I’m …. er …. a bit special
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NHS haircut
NH:
NH:
if it’s any consolation I look like a grinning imbecile
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So I might join you and have another picture taken
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and then set about it with Photoshop
BE:
Good idea
NH:
now, who said hacks were vain?
BE:
Ha
11:06AM
NH:
now, while we are taking about the FT
NH:
I guess we had better get this Bernstein note out of the way
BE:
Are you sure?
BE:
dangerous territory this
NH:
it is
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but if we don’t one of the ROTR will
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and it’s always best to be upfront about these things
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right here it is
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There is further potential upside if and when management divests the FT Group. While we do not think this is imminent, it may happen over the next few years. A divestiture would of course also provide the cash for Pearson to expand its global education footprint, return cash to shareholders or both, although we suggest the company waits for a recovery in advertising markets.
Pearson plc is the parent company of the Financial Times, publisher of FT Alphaville.
NH:
NH:
We do not think, on the other hand, that it is too early for Pearson to explore its options for a possible disposal of its stake in IDC and other non-core assets (such as its interest in the FTSE indices). While the potential value of Pearson’s 50% stake in the FTSE indices could fetch up to £180 million, the current market valuation of
Pearson’s 63% stake in IDC is £1,488 million, or 13.6% of Pearson’s current market capitalization at current exchange rates.
BE:
So what are we worth then?
NH:
hang on
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A divestiture would of course also provide the cash for Pearson to expand its global education footprint, return cash to shareholders or both. Management has put forward various explanations why the FT Group is synergistic with the Education business, but – from our point of view – none pass close scrutiny. The use of
the FT brand to better promote the sale of professional education material – an argument often used in the past – seems likely to be small (and could be achieved with licensing agreements with the possible buyers).
NH:
Recently, management has been insisting that ownership of the FT fosters access with authorities around the world – an argument that could easily turn against Pearson if the FT took a negative stance towards foreign governments. We would prefer to avoid the risk of discovering that there are governments with little
sense of humor (and limited understanding of the freedom of the press) that may choose to retaliate on Pearson’s educational assets for perceived slights from the FT (or The Economist).
NH:
This being said, we do not necessarily think it is ideal time for the company to divest its FT Publishing assets. We would wait instead enough time to allow for a recovery in advertising revenues and the core business’ (Financial Times) profitability.

NH:
hmmm
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no price mentioned
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and what does this mean?
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Recently, management has been insisting that ownership of the FT fosters access with authorities around the world – an argument that could easily turn against Pearson if the FT took a negative stance towards foreign governments
BE:
Does that mean we can’t write about Dubai?
NH:
er
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too late
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Tracy’s done a post on that
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and then we did Sheik Mo and the horses
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and his wisdom
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might be a bit too late
BE:
For the sake of completeness, let’s have a Pearson price
Pearson (PSON:LSE): Last: 838.00, down 10 (-1.18%), High: 848.00, Low: 837.00, Volume: 833.55k
NH:
wow. didn’t realise they were that high.
NH:
would have taken part in the save as you earn scheme
BE:
You don’t check the stock ticker in main reception every morning?
NH:
nope
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I have no position
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so I don’t look
BE:
Likewise.
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Although it always cheers me up to see it in positive territory.
BE:
And, on that, time to move on.
BE:
Let’s have a look at the wider market.
11:10AM
NH:
OK
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and…
BE:
We’re down.
BE:
Off 34 at 5278 on the Footsie.
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But I wouldn’t read too much into that.
BE:
things are very quiet
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VERY quiet
NH:
they are
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Ahead of payroll numbers.
NH:
did a quick post on that on earlier
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the street looking for around 125,000
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but Goldman at 100,000
BE:
Goldman has a rather good record of hitting the number in recent months, doesn’t it?
NH:
although they were a bit out last month
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still that’s the call that most people look for
11:12AM
NH:
Right
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stock wise
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what shall we have a look at?
BE:
Let’s start with International Power
BE:
Yet again.
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One of the biggest risers this morning.
International Power (IPR:LSE): Last: 289.00, up 4.8 (+1.69%), High: 289.00, Low: 283.50, Volume: 2.53m
NH:
hmm
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one of the biggest risers in the FTSE 100
NH:
more bid rumours
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GDF Suez again
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this appeared in the Time today
NH:
Shares in International Power gained 3p to 284¼p amid further talk that GDF Suez was considering making an offer for the electricity generator. The latest twist in the tale is that Suez has appointed two unnamed French banks to look at such a deal in more detail. Recent speculation has suggested an offer at more than 400p per share.
NH:
No there is a bit more to that rumour
NH:
very RAW though
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH:
the talk in the market is that
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GDF have lined up banks prepared to finance an offer
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and they could go to 400p if they decide to bid
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which they are unlikely to do this side of Xmas
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now, Credit Agricole are said to have stuck their hands up and said we could fund it
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and apparently
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and this will make many of you yawn
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there is going to a be a story in one of the Sunday papers
BE:
Oh dear
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Here we go again
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“YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WRITE IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE SUNDAYS HAS THE STORY”
BE:
Yawn.
NH:
i know
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I know
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just passing it on
11:16AM
NH:
Right before we look on
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and look at British Airways
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Jamie Chisholm
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our global markets comment edtior
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or some such fancy title
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reckons Bryce looks like a Scottish Bobby Peston
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NH:
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Could’ve been worse I guess.
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Could’ve been a Sweaty Mark Kleinman.
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and some of the ROTR
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have been asking about last night’s Mint party
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and it was some party
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Now Mint are a IDB
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based in Cannon Street
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not far from us
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they has 1,000 guests turn up at the Cafe du Paris last night
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and in true IDB style
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there was a free bar all night
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and also 200 models
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were hired for the evening
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just to dance around you understand
BE:
Seriously?
NH:
yep
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I’m not making this up
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a group of 10 or so would come in
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every 10 mins
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anyway
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I left at 9.00
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because Friday is my day from hell
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but quite a bash
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must have cost a fortune
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and there were even Paps outside
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hoping to get a snap of some premiership footballer
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when all that was inside
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were IDBs
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and brokers
BE:
Blimey.
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TL – I left with my rucksack
BE:
Mint was, of course, the dealer of choice for BBC’s $m Trader thing. With Lex Van Dam.
NH:
anyway enough of that
BE:
Indeed.
NH:
the things I do to build contacts
11:21AM
NH:
Okay, ,where were we
BE:
The more prosaic matter of British Airways, I guess.
NH:
ah yes
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couple of positive notes around this morning
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from Deutsche Bank
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and Citigroup
BE:
Give us a look then.
NH:
what do you want first?
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Citi?
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It’s from Andrew Light
BE:
Yeah, sure. That’s an upgrade isn’t it?
NH:
it is
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buy’em he says
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Rating upgraded to Buy/High Risk from Hold/High Risk, target price raised to 280p
from 250p — We revise our target prices for BA and Iberia based on valuation of
merged entity and disclosed merger terms. Our merged entity (TopCo) and BA
target of 280p is based on 180p mid-cycle valuation, 64p merger synergies, 20p
stakes in associate companies that could be disposed or IPO’d, and 12p potential
synergies from a JV with American Airlines with 50% probability, rounded. We
value total merger synergies at £1.3bn. In view of 16% fall from recent high-point,
we upgrade our rating to Buy. Near term catalyst could be news on American JV. A
potential cabin crew strike in December could provide useful buying opportunity
NH:
Iberia share could provide more upside to the combined BA-Iberia entity — Based
on exchange ratio of 1.0205 TopCo shares for 1 Iberia share, a 280p target price
for TopCo/BA is consistent with €3.10 per Iberia share. At the current BA share
price of 208p and €1.10=£1, Iberia should be €2.35 compared to €2.07 currently,
a 13% additional opportunity. If Iberia fails to merge with BA, we see Lufthansa as
an alternative with similar synergies.
NH:
BMI a possible trade for Iberia with Lufthansa — BA could be an aggressive buyer
of BMI for its Heathrow expansion potential as well as pre-empting a step-up in
competition from its biggest rival, Virgin Atlantic. Lufthansa could compel BA to
part with Iberia in exchange for BMI. We would view this trade as a positive for all
concerned
NH:
Improving premium traffic outlook could boost earnings recovery — Premium traffic
for November of -1.7% is a big improvement on the -18% run-rate for most of the
last year. We expect a modest 2% recovery in 2010 but this could be exceeded.
The most profitable segment, Club World, has already started. Minor cuts to 10E
and 11E EPS, 12E EPS raised on higher revenue.
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and as regards traffic
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the Deutsche Bank note
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touches on that
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Premium traffic: British Airways has reported premium traffic volume
down 1.7% in November YoY. Given the weak base comparison (Minus
10.8% in Nov 08), we had expected premium to turn positive for the first
time in 15 months but it was not to be. However the split is interesting:
Long-haul premium (the main driver of profitability) was up 1.5pc YoY and
short-haul premium down 20% YoY, the latter reflecting a structural change
in flying habits. Overall traffic fell by 4.3%, capacity was down 6.1% and the
passenger load factor was up 1.5%.
NH:
Americas traffic: BA’s transatlantic routes traditionally contribute around
60% of EBIT. Traffic on these routes in November was broadly flat (minus
0.5%) with the load factor up 1pp. Capacity on Asia Pacific routes was cut
by a material 30.4% YoY compared to UK/Europen down 11.5%, Americas
flat and Africa/Middle East up 4.1%.
NH:
Cargo: BA released encouraging cargo data with November volumes up
2.4% YoY, the first time in 15 months it has been positive. There is a positive
readthrough for Air France-KLM and Lufthansa, Europe’s two largest air
cargo carriers. IATA data released on 30 November showed global cargo
demand in October 2009 declining by just 0.5% YoY against a decline of
7.4% YoY in cargo supply which implies upward pressure on cargo yields
BE:
Thanks.
NH:
of course, the most importannt newsflow
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near term for BA
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will be the pension review
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we should get to find out the deficit before Xmas
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and Tracy is doing a little post on that now
NH:
did we put a BA share price in?
BE:
I will do.
British Airways (BAY:LSE): Last: 208.70, up 2.5 (+1.21%), High: 213.20, Low: 207.60, Volume: 3.07m
BE:
And, while on the subject of airlines ….
BE:
There was a Redburn note on Ryanair yesterday that’s still getting some attention.
NH:
(Throg – that’s not very nice)
BE:
This is from Tim Marshall, who was formerly UBS I think
NH:
oh yes
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this was the cash return idea
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now that Ryanair is toying with the idea of going ex-growth
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a utility type airline
BE:
That’s the one.
BE:
Ryanair is currently in talks with Boeing with a view to ordering 200
aircraft to facilitate growth from 2013 to 2016. Even with an aircraft deal,
capacity growth will slow to less than 10%, but with no new deliveries
growth will drop close to zero. In this scenario there will be significant
upward pressure on average fares as the route network matures.
BE:
Southwest Airlines slowed growth in the 1990s, resulting in higher returns and
10% annual outperformance against the S&P 500 for a decade. We expect slower
growth will have a similar positive impact on Ryanair returns. Furthermore, its
historic over-investment should lead to a period of stellar cash generation.
BE:
Our confidence in fare increases is a function of the youth of Ryanair’s network
– half of its capacity flies on routes less than three years old. Discount fares are
needed to invest in new business, which drags down the average fare. This
reverses as routes mature, so leading to significantly higher fares.
BE:
Superior cash generation will drive shareholder returns. Ryanair’s fleet is three
years old and can sustain minimal medium-term capex. On our numbers, Ryanair
can pay out €1 per share in 2012 and maintain cash amounting to 20% revenue.
This would leave the shares trading on 4.5x FY12 EPS.
BE:
easyJet growth is moving in the other direction having not grown capacity in
2009. It flies on more mature routes from which we believe there is less upside to
pricing. The balance sheet is not as strong as Ryanair’s and does not offer such
a cash return. It trades on 12.7x FY10 and 9.2x FY11. We rate the shares Neutral.
BE:
Ryanair price ….
Ryanair Holdings (RYA:LSE): Last: 3.00, up 0.065 (+2.21%), High: 3.04, Low: 2.94, Volume: 2.38m
NH:
(Throg: we were wondering where you had been only the other day)
BE:
And, just finally on the subject ….
BE:
Some people noting the spread between Ryanair ordinaries and the ADRs has had a big move over the past few sessions
NH:
really
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why’s that
BE:
Well – this is where it gets a bit murky.
BE:
Usually the ADRs trade at a premium
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Which people tend to put down to scarcity value
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However, IF (big IF) the EU relaxes foreign ownership rules for airlines it’d mean Ryanair could release a whole bunch more ADRs
BE:
Which would close the premium.
NH:
ah
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interesting
BE:
That MAY be what’s happening to the arb trade at the moment. But, as I say, it’s all a bit murky.
NH:
we should be able to do something with the note in the usual place
11:30AM
NH:
Okay
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Emptyend
NH:
brings up the subject of a windfall tax on banks
NH:
I reckon this could well happen
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politically attractive
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and would it hurt the City as a one off?
BE:
Hm.
NH:
actually
NH:
there was a very good comment in the Guardian this morning
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by my former colleague Nils Pratley
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worth putting up in full
BE:
Very good writer, Nils.
NH:
Myners’s suggests the shareholders should act. The other blast from his barrel was directed at big institutional investors. He makes a good point. The performance of their trade bodies, the Association of British Insurers and the National Association of Pension Funds, has been lamentable. The ABI seems happy to ride into battle in defence of the board of RBS, but there has been no campaign to rip up the unwritten rule that says employees of investment banks can collect 50% or more of the revenues.

Come on, chaps, those revenues are often fees borne by shareholders and the firms in which ABI members invest. The banking crisis was a golden opportunity to get a better deal for investors, pensioners and society. So explain what, if anything, you are doing.

Unfortunately the bonus season will arrive in about six weeks’ time, which is too soon to expect a shareholder rebellion. It is time for the government to take matters into its own hands.

NH:
The public sees the picture clearly: taxpayer support, which will be paid for in higher taxes for years to come, was designed to help banks, not bankers. The case for a windfall tax on bonuses is as simple as that. The government should put the measure at the heart of its pre-budget report next week.

Ignore the objection that the banks would suddenly all run away to Switzerland – a windfall tax is a one-off, so there should be no incentive to do so. And, if it was genuinely a one-off, far-sighted bankers (there are a few) would probably admit that the tax would be a fair cop after so much taxpayer support. They might also welcome the opportunity to clear the air and perhaps avoid a public backlash that could become very nasty by mid-January. Next Wednesday is the last chance to change direction.

NH:
in fact that is not the whole note
NH:
that’s a bit too long
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but go here
BE:
Interesting. Ta.
BE:
The reference to Wednesday is of course the pre-budget report.
NH:
indeed
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and can anyone remember which Tory chancellor
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last imposed a windfall tax on the banks
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I think was back in the 80′s
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Howe?
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was he even chancellor?
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Lamont?
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dunno
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but one of them did
BE:
Howe was, according to Wikipedia
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(Which we’re not allowed to use)
NH:
put it up
BE:
Howe became Chancellor of the Exchequer himself. His tenure was characterised by radical policies to correct the public finances, reduce inflation and liberalise the economy. The shift from direct to indirect taxation, the development of a Medium-Term Financial Strategy, the abolition of exchange controls and the creation of tax-free enterprise zones were among important decisions of his Chancellorship. Howe’s famous 1981 Budget defied conventional economic wisdom at the time by deflating the economy at a time of recession. His macro-economic policy emphasised the need to narrow the budget deficit rather than engage in unilateral tax cuts of the kind subsequently pioneered in ‘Reaganomics’. His micro-economic policy was designed to liberalise the economy and promote supply-side reform. This combination of policies became one of the defining features of Thatcherism in power. Some commentators regard Howe as the most successful Chancellor of his era.
PM:
Yep you are right
Think it was Lawson who taxed the oil companies
PM:
Sorry, i should have said hello
PM:
Bit ML rusty
NH:
morning
NH:
Murph
NH:
where are you today?
NH:
still in that internet cafe?
PM:
What’s this rubbish about the FT Group being sold
PM:
I’m behind you
PM:
Otherside of the newsroom
NH:
oh yes
PM:
Just found a spare desk
NH:
when did you creep in?
BE:
(HB – The FT styleguide says you can’t cite Wikipedia as a source, due to its unreliability and tendency to announce living people are dead.)
PM:
Not lonog ago
NH:
actually
NH:
while we are talking about the Treasury
NH:
did anyone see this bit
NH:
from the NAO report into the great banking bailout
NH:
At the height of the crisis, the Treasury provided an £18 billion indemnity to 10 the Bank of England for emergency support to RBS and HBOS that peaked at over £60 billion.
NH:
At the start of October 2008, internal papers prepared by the Treasury suggested that RBS’s capital position was reasonably strong but noted that the bank was increasingly dependent on short-term wholesale funding
NH:
now that seems
NH:
unbeliveable
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that they didn’t know RBS was in a mess
NH:
but we don’t what these Treasury papers are
NH:
. By early October 2008, the Treasury had to authorise the Bank of England to provide not only HBOS, but also RBS with support to meet liquidity needs. After 13 October, any additional lending to HBOS and RBS was conducted under an indemnity from the Treasury as the Bank considered that it could not undertake lending on the scale required without such an indemnity.
NH:
The indemnity, which at its peak covered £18 billion of the emergency support, provided protection to the Bank of England that was in addition to over £100 billion of collateral that it had received from the two banks. Both banks were charged fees for the use of the emergency support facilities. The Treasury’s indemnity was in place for two months, and by mid-January 2009, the emergency support had been replaced with other funding, including using debt issued under the Credit Guarantee Scheme.
PM:
There is this tendency to talk about the crissi starting with Lehman
PM:
When it started a full 15 months earlier
BE:
Hm. This doesn’t paint the Treasury in a very positive light.
PM:
When the Bear fudns got in to troub;e
PM:
Ludicous to suggest they didn’t realise how deep the problems were
PM:
Everyone else did
NH:
well
NH:
according to those papers
NH:
RBS was in strong capital position at the start of Oct
PM:
(Taxloss — sadly no)
NH:
and then a week or later
NH:
it wasn’t
NH:
do you think
NH:
we get the papers with a Freedom of Information request?
PM:
good idea
NH:
we’d never get it
NH:
too close to the event
NH:
and ahead of an election
PM:
I’m sure the Treasury will turn all their info over ty
11:41AM
NH:
Right
NH:
Murph
NH:
we are turning things over to you briefly
PM:
As for ML in the US, we are finally — belatedly — close to getting our back end development work done
NH:
to answer a few questions
PM:
Will mean we can start our NY email
PM:
And we can sstart ML US at the same time
PM:
Jobs figs — I dont have any stuff to hand
PM:
Leaving out of a suitcase etc
NH:
I do
PM:
laptop with a dead battery
NH:
the full note from the Goldman team
PM:
I’m out of touch
PM:
Useful – ta
PM:
(Airbourne — thanks for that)
BE:
Neil hunting for a note at the moment re. the jobs numbers.
NH:
The best news from the labor market in recent months has been evidence that layoffs continue to decline. However, the other half of the labor market picture—hiring—is still missing as firms largely are utilizing their existing workforces to push up production rather than adding new workers.

· The net result, in our view, is still job destruction. We forecast a loss of another 100,000 payroll jobs in the November employment report, to be released tomorrow morning. Last month’s sharp rise in the unemployment rate to 10.2% looks to us like a short-term overshoot, although we ultimately expect unemployment to drift up to 10 ¾% by early 2011.

Job growth is central to the 2010 economic (and political) outlook. With economic growth firmly in positive territory, at least in the near term, the next milestone will be a return to positive employment growth, which in turn would help to fuel increased household incomes and spending in the classic “multiplier” process of Economics 101. Those who believe that tight credit and excessive caution by businesses have led to substantial pent-up labor demand that will be released next year naturally tend to be optimistic about the prospects for overall economic growth in 2010, while those who (like us) expect a slower recovery in employment akin to the last two recessions also foresee below-trend growth in 2010. President Obama’s “jobs summit” held today at the White House reflects the administration’s awareness that the job picture in late 2010 will be a key factor in midterm elections.

In this environment, the monthly employment report becomes an even bigger focus than usual. As “payroll Friday” approaches, analysis, theories, and flat-out guesswork about the report wind their way through the markets. Two issues seem to have attracted particular attention in recent days: the potential for a shift in seasonal adjustment factors in the payroll report, and remarks today by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs suggesting the unemployment rate might increase.

NH:
With respect to the seasonal adjustment process, some analysts believe that historical figures point to a “friendly” seasonal adjustment in November. One reason why this could make sense is that last November’s payroll report was especially bad relative to those that came before it – the fallout from the Lehman bankruptcy and subsequent freeze in the credit markets was intensifying, pushing employment down by -597,000 in November versus “only” -380,000 in October (note these are seasonally adjusted, revised figures). Depending on how it is specified, a seasonal adjustment program might have interpreted some of the genuine deterioration last November as seasonal in nature; the seasonal adjustment this year might then implicitly boost this year’s figure by somewhat more to account for that.

Despite the veneer of plausibility to this story, we are reluctant to second-guess the Labor Department’s statisticians. In our view, the starting assumption should be that they know what they are doing; our occasional attempts to second-guess the seasonal adjustments have had a mediocre track record. In the particular case of November 2008, the seasonal adjustment programs incorporate some automatic screening for outliers, and also allow manual exclusion of individual series from the seasonal adjustment process if statisticians have a reason to think they are distorted for other reasons. Furthermore, the seasonal adjustment process uses ten years of data, limiting the degree to which a deviation in any one year can shift the numbers. Therefore, we have not made any explicit adjustment to our forecasts to reflect seasonality.

The other item of note with respect to tomorrow’s employment report was a press report this morning that White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs had made comments implying the unemployment rate might increase in the November report. A comment by Gibbs quoted by Bloomberg implied that yesterday’s slightly-worse-than-expected ADP report might have been a reason for this belief, but it naturally led to speculation that White House officials already knew tomorrow’s report would be weak. In a later interview, however, Gibbs denied that he had seen the numbers.

NH:

Our story on this month’s payroll report is fairly simple. Based on the plethora of government and private sector information about the labor market, we see three major themes:
NH:
. Layoffs have declined… The best news from the labor market is the ongoing decline in layoff announcements and in new claims for jobless benefits. The Challenger, Gray, and Christmas tally of layoff announcements in November was less than 1/3 the level a year ago, and about ½ the level in July. Meanwhile, the number of new jobless claims has fallen into the mid-400,000 range over the past two weeks, extending what is now an eight-month downtrend. Although the level of layoffs is still quite high—jobless claims only made it above 500,000 for one week in the fifteen years prior to the current recession—the continued decline offers some reassurance that the labor market is stabilizing.

2. …but hiring remains weak… Unfortunately, hiring remains in the doldrums. Two pieces of evidence look particularly clear on this front. First, surveys of help-wanted advertising have been flatlining for months. Both the Conference Board and Monster.com’s survey of online job advertisements have moved sideways since the spring, and the Conference Board’s survey of offline job advertising continued its slow secular decline, reaching an all-time low in its latest reading (the most recent number is for September; the series goes back to January 1951). Meanwhile, the details of the jobless claims report revealed a large increase in the number of people on extended benefit programs this week, probably related to the recent extension of eligibility by Congress. From the week of the October payroll survey to the week of the November payroll survey, the widely-cited “continuing claims” figure (the total number of people receiving regular jobless benefits) fell by about 400,000 – but the number of people on extended programs rose by approximately the same amount. In short, there was no net movement out of the jobless pool. One caveat is that the extended benefit figures are not seasonally adjusted, but at least from this vantage point, there does not appear to be a significant flow of people finding new jobs.

3. …as firms ramp up production largely with existing employees. Nonfarm business productivity has grown at a blowout rate of 7½% over the past two quarters, reflecting a turnaround in activity with firms still in cost-cutting mode. Even those firms that are increasing production are doing so largely with their existing workforce. This is a common pattern in the early phase of business cycle recoveries, although productivity gains look strong at this point even if we take that into account. With an exceptionally high number of involuntary part-time workers at present, a significant portion of any increased labor needs seem likely to come from increased hours for existing employees rather than from new hires. The strong productivity trend has continued in the early fourth quarter, with growth at roughly a 3% pace while hours worked remain in decline.

NH:
Where does all this leave us? We expect a decline of 100,000 payroll jobs in tomorrow’s report, with an increase in average hourly earnings of just 0.1%. Although we think unemployment has further to rise, last month’s increase was somewhat larger than we expected and may represent a short-term overshoot, so we see a slight pullback here to 10.1% on the unemployment rate.

NH:
there you go
NH:
all of it
NH:
Morgan Stanley -75K BNP Paribas -130K
JP Morgan -100K Credit Suisse -50K
Goldman Sachs -100K Deutsche Bank -90K
Bank of America -125K HSBC Markets -140K
NH:
that’s the rest of the street
11:46AM
PM:
(Monkey — date wise, we are updating the Word Press platform that the whole of AV runs on. it’s being tested right now and then we will get a date. US ML and new email service now likely to be beginning of Jan)
NH:
any comment on the Madoff jacket?
PM:
What about it?
PM:
It looks great on my wall
NH:
you have it?
NH:
it has arrived?
PM:
Not in London
NH:
in NY?
PM:
Anyway..
NH:
right
NH:
we should move on
NH:
lots of people want to talk with Murph
NH:
and we have other subjects to cover
NH:
such as Frank Timis
NH:
master entreprenuer
NH:
and all round good guy
11:48AM
BE:
Sound Oil shareholders may not agree with your summary there.
BE:
Stock has been absolutely smashed this morning.
BE:
Down 46% at 1.95p.
NH:
ouch
NH:
what Frank gives….
NH:
he can take away
NH:
rumours in the market
NH:
that he is selling down his 22% stake this morning
NH:
after ending reverse takeover talks
NH:
apparently
NH:
Frank was going to reverse some Liberian assets
NH:
he got out of Regal
BE:
And why did talks collapse?
NH:
valuation
NH:
I think Sound Oil could understand the valuations of Frank’s assets
NH:
and Frank could not understand their valuation
NH:
Sound calims to have £44m of assets and £11m of cash
NH:
which equates to 8p
NH:
roughly
BE:
But of course, this doesn’t mean Frank won’t take his Liberian acreage to market.
BE:
In some form.
BE:
What’s it called …. African Petroleum isn’t it?
NH:
that’s the one
NH:
Mirabaud raising £60m for it
NH:
float in the new year
NH:
and while we are talking about the wierd and wonderful world of AIm
NH:
can we just touch on Prosperity Minerals
NH:
this oddball cement/iron ore company
NH:
that has a deal to sell its cement interests at some ludicrous valuation
BE:
Sure
NH:
some people were asking about earlier in the week
NH:
and I have note from Daniel Stewart to put
NH:
but note – they are house broker
NH:
We are going live with a target price of 242p for Prosperity Minerals in the wake of the recent announcement of the MOU regarding the sale of most of its cement interests. The full potential value we see in Prosperity is 282p per share, fully diluted, based on the following components:
BE:
Prosperity’s at 111p today. Up 4.5p on the session
NH:
Proceeds from disposal – £311.3m. Prosperity has entered into an MOU with TCC International Holdings Limited (1136.HK) in relation to the sale of most of its cement manufacturing interests. The aggregate consideration is expected to be in the region of HK$4 billion (£311.3 million). We assume this will be paid in cash, funded by an equity issue by TCC. Market reports suggest that followers of TCC are expecting it to fund up to half of the purchase price through an equity issue.
NH:
Net debt substantially eliminated. Almost all of the loans within Prosperity relate to its cement operations and were booked at or under the level of Upper Value, the holding company for the cement interests being sold. If the disposal of Upper Value is executed, these loans will be transferred to or repaid by TCC.
NH:
Total value = £441.2m = 282p. The issued share capital is 132.6m plus 23.89m shares from options and warrants gives fully diluted share capital of 156.4m. This gives our 282p ultimate value target. As with the above point, this will need updating if the terms and numbers of warrants and options have changed.
Discount for execution risk and unknowns? The deal with TCC* is subject to due diligence and its ability to raise the necessary finance. We do not envisage a problem with either. We also need to know how the current balance sheet looks on a pro-forma basis. In order to be prudent, we put a 20% discount on the £312m proceeds for the cement interests. This gives our 242p target price.
NH:
Use of proceeds? Prosperity has given no guidance on the likely use of the proceeds so, for now, we can only speculate. While a full cash distribution would be the easiest way for the company to achieve our target valuation, the companys record of value creation suggests that shareholders might be better off trusting the board to reinvest the proceeds.
11:55AM
BE:
Right.
BE:
Moving further up the mining food chain ….
NH:
go on
BE:
Nomura’s joining the crowd talking about metals prices going way above fundamentals
BE:
And seeing the sector as ripe for a fall
BE:
Here’s the gist of it
BE:
We remain Bullish on mining equities into 2010. However, we note that mining share prices are once again towards the top of a rising trading range and investors with shorter time horizons should seek a better entry point, in our view.

We explore the catalysts for a short-term correction. In 2010, we continue to expect mining equities to benefit from a weaker US$, accelerating Chinese investment, restocking in OECD economies, the potential for large share buy-backs and M&A. Copper has been our preferred commodity exposure for 2009, and
although we remain bullish, we think copper bulls are now too abundant and recommend switching into iron ore and coking coal exposure. We have switched our preferred stocks with Rio Tinto replacing Xstrata as our top pick. Anglo American remains a very close second.

BE:
Iron ore and coking coal now the preferred exposures: We forecast a 50% increase in iron ore contract prices over the next three years and a 75% increase in hard coking coal contract prices over the next two years. Our bullish copper call was highly controversial in January (see Buy ahead of China’s recovery, 22
January 2009) but no longer warrants a raised eyebrow, in our view. Although we remain bullish on long-term copper exposure, prices now appear to be running
slightly ahead of improving fundamentals.

Share buy-backs in 2010 could be large: On our new earnings forecasts, the diversified miners are set to generate strong cash flow to the extent that we think
higher growth capex, dividends and even meaningful share buy-backs and acquisitions are back on the agenda. On our estimates, the large diversified miners could repurchase an average 13% of their current market capitalisation by end 2010 (assuming 1.5x net debt/EBITDA). Of the diversified miners, we calculate that BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto offer the greatest potential for buy-backs at 24% and 17% of market cap, respectively.

BE:
Valuation and top picks: Rio Tinto and Anglo American are our top picks. Although we remain bullish on the miners on a six- to 12-month view, any reversal of US$ weakness, rolling-over of OECD leading economic indicators (which we expect in 1Q10) or an earlier and more aggressive hike for Chinese interest rates are likely catalysts for a short-term correction, in our view. We think the scope for mining sector valuation multiples to expand any further is limited and continued outperformance is likely to be driven by positive earnings momentum.
BE:
Sector not doing much this morning though.
NH:
no
Anglo American PLC (AAL:LSE): Last: 2,613, down 37 (-1.40%), High: 2,657, Low: 2,611, Volume: 1.28m
Rio Tinto (RIO:LSE): Last: 3,212, up 28 (+0.88%), High: 3,234, Low: 3,167, Volume: 916.21k
Eurasian Natural Resources Corp (ENRC:LSE): Last: 932.50, up 17.5 (+1.91%), High: 933.00, Low: 910.00, Volume: 613.11k
Kazakhmys (KAZ:LSE): Last: 1,306, up 7 (+0.54%), High: 1,316, Low: 1,263, Volume: 753.75k
Xstrata (XTA:LSE): Last: 1,097, down 7 (-0.63%), High: 1,110, Low: 1,088, Volume: 2.61m
NH:
actually on Xstrata
NH:
very subtle change in strategy
NH:
at yesterday’s investor seminar
NH:
company flagged up a very large cap ex increase
NH:
and were suggesting that’s where their focus lies over the next year
NH:
not deal making
NH:
now that’s not too say a pragmatist like Mick Davis would not bid for something
NH:
if it came up
NH:
but
NH:
it seems like they will be focusing on organic growth in the next year
NH:
and keeping an eye on the political situation in South Africa
NH:
should it deteriorate
NH:
and Anglos get in a mess
NH:
they will be back
NH:
with another merger offer
NH:
and I just wonder if the new chairman will decide a merger with Xstrata is the way to go
BE:
Right. But it’s all slowly slowly catchy monkey at the moment.
BE:
Although Anglos does seem to be getting hit from all sides right now.
BE:
De Beers refinancing. Amplats refinancing next year, probably.
NH:
you’re right
12:01PM
NH:
ROTR
NH:
asking for Friday RAW
NH:
sorry don’t seem to have any more
NH:
we should apologise however
NH:
for the rotten piece of Alphameric RAW
NH:
the bid has not materialised
NH:
seems as it collapsed at the last minute
BE:
Hm. These situations are always fluid.
BE:
Didn’t the Telegraph do a big job on this one as well?
NH:
down 3.75p at 28.5p at the moment
NH:
yes
NH:
seems like it went pear shaped at the last moment
NH:
now
NH:
this could be down to Joe Lewis refusing to play ball
NH:
that’s one theory doing the rounds
12:03PM
NH:
On Standard Chartered
NH:
stock has had a big fall
Standard Chartered (STAN:LSE): Last: 1,507, down 63.5 (-4.04%), High: 1,554, Low: 1,498, Volume: 2.79m
NH:
I have mailed lots of people
NH:
a no one can explain it
NH:
Bryce are there any notes around??
BE:
Nothing I’ve seen.
BE:
Although I haven’t checked the Hong Kong end of things.
NH:
Okay
NH:
anything else to round up on
BE:
While on the banks
BE:
JP Morgan’s got a line or two out about Barclays and RBS
NH:
right
BE:
Less negative on the former, still bearish on the latter
NH:
can you paste some
BE:
Barclays – Upgrading from Underweight to Neutral – SoP Price Target remains 280p – Despite disappointing Q3 revenues in BarCap and a cut to our Q4 IBD revenues to £3.3bn (from £4.6bn) we have upped our 09E estimates by 10% to reflect higher gain for BGI, and c.2% in 10E/11E to reflect stronger Barclaycard margins. We now expect a BarCap quarterly run rate of £3.9bn for 10E down 11% from 2009E.
BE:
Barclays – Continue to see capital deficit of c.£10bn, but largely reflected at these levels – Having underperformed the sector by 18% (3Mon) Barclays is trading on 0.9x 10E NAV for a RoNAV of 10.5%. With nearly 60% of Group capital expected to be tied up in investment banking by 11E, we believe Barclays will have to continue to build higher capital buffers as a result of pending regulation. Trading on a JPM capital adjusted 011E PE of 9.0x. Barclays is our preferred name within the UK domestics, but HSBC (Overweight) remains our UK top pick and one of our preferred names in Europe.
BE:
RBS – Hard Decisions Ahead – Remain Underweight SoP Price Target remains 38p, would be c.31p with divestments – With a detailed strategic plan presented less than four months ago, it is difficult to determine the exact shape and profitability of the new Group post the EU restructuring, as well as a result of other indirect consequences of the government overhang. As a result of the EU measures we can see a 15% reduction in core group PBT but have not included this due to uncertain timing. The area with least visibility is GBM, a critical area when assessing longer term strategy, as it is expected to account for c.half of the
Group revenues this year.
BE:
RBS – Capital and the APS – Most negative surprise has been the jump in RWAs, which has required further capital injection from the government. On our estimates, in order to remove the APS completely RBS would have had to raise a staggering c.£31bn of equity. We see less benefit of exiting the APS now, and would expect this to happen in 2012E.
Despite significant underperformance, we believe the stock will remain range bound and trade at a discount to NAV (46p 11E).
BE:
That’s from Carla Antunes da Silva
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 299.45, down 5.05 (-1.66%), High: 306.05, Low: 297.70, Volume: 17.44m
Royal Bank of Scotland Group (RBS:LSE): Last: 34.33, down 0.8 (-2.28%), High: 34.93, Low: 33.88, Volume: 32.32m
NH:
anything else
NH:
or are we done
NH:
Murph has just gone for coffee with Gillian Tett
BE:
Oh – haven’t mentioned the Banker of the Year Award 2009 last night ….
BE:
Michael Buerk on MC duties, apparently.
BE:
At the Intercontinental Park Lane Hotel
NH:
and the winner was
NH:
Bob Diamond surely
BE:
Nope
BE:
Barclays won nothing.
NH:
no
BE:
Santander cleaned up.
NH:
no
NH:
that can’t be right
BE:
I guess they won by virtue of not blowing up over the previous 12 months
NH:
true
BE:
Here’s a taster of the press release
BE:
In the UK via its Abbey franchise, Santander was able to acquire two banks that got into difficulties – Alliance & Leicester and Bradford & Bingley – on very attractive terms
BE:
They paid £1.26bn and £612m respectively for A&L and Bingley.
BE:
And some may argue about whether this was “very attractive”
NH:
LYO – straight red)
BE:
Nevertheless, here’s the full roll call: http://www.thebanker.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/6973/The_Banker_Investment_Banking_Awards_2009:_The_Winners.html
NH:
thanks for that
NH:
and I am just getting some more feedback on the Mint party
NH:
which may well go down in City folklore
NH:
at one point a load of hot girls all dressed in black went on the stage for some dance routine.. then whilst that was going on there were more of these girls scattered about at various places that started dancing as well… just didn’t know where to look!
NH:
oh dear
NH:
oh dear, oh dear
NH:
Right
NH:
we are done
BE:
Deary me. The City really is unreconstructed sometimes.
NH:
thanks for logging on this week
NH:
and all your comments
BE:
Yup. Cheers.
NH:
cya all next week
NH:
for more markets related fun
BE:
Bye.
BE:
Late email ……
BE:
CANADA ADDED 79,100 JOBS IN NOVEMBER, FIVE TIMES EXPECTATIONS
BE:
Dunno if that’s true.
NH:
right
NH:
we are done
NH:
nothing on placings yet
NH:
but will make some calls
NH:
have a good weekend everyone
BE:
Bye.
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