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Markets live transcript 2 Nov 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:15 on 2 Nov 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Miles Johnson, FT (MJ)

NH:
Hola
NH:
It’s 11.03am
NH:
and time for…
NH:
Markets Live
NH:
FT Alphaville’s dailly markets roundtable
NH:
With Bryce still on hols
NH:
Miles joins me in the hot seat
NH:
and he had been very busy this morning
NH:
entering trades into out fantasy portfolio
NH:
City Index have given us a vritual £20,000 to play about with on their new iPhone trading app
MJ:
Morning everyone
MJ:
Bit fiddly this
NH:
so have managed to enter a trade yet?
MJ:
Yeah
MJ:
Bought some Lloyds
MJ:
And shorted British Airways
MJ:
My strategy is intended to be high risk
MJ:
You see, I figure that the likelihood of me blowing up is pretty high
MJ:
So if I blow up, I want to blow up spectacularly
MJ:
Zeppelin-style
NH:
so this will be a risk adjusted return
MJ:
erm, you could put it that way
NH:
anyway Miles
NH:
have you run this past risk management in NY
NH:
he should be awake by now
MJ:
I’m sure he wont mind
MJ:
Anyway, this isn’t my money, so why should I care if lose it all
NH:
spoken like a true fund manager
NH:
no skin in the game
MJ:
So, Neil. What have you picked for your virtual portfolio?
NH:
The girls have also been busy
NH:
Tracy has bought 50 Asos shares
NH:
and Izy has been trying to buy short some natural gas futures
NH:
but that looks a bit complicated for the app
MJ:
And what about you?
NH:
well, the black box I created over the weekend
NH:
has spat out some results
NH:
based on complex mathematical formula
NH:
so here’s what I am doing
NH:
Buy Suez Environmental
NH:
Buy Baltic Oil Terminals
NH:
Short Regional Financial Corporation
NH:
Short Forth Ports
NH:
and buy Danish krona
NH:
and of course
NH:
one for old times sake
NH:
not from the black box
NH:
a BIG short in GKP
MJ:
MJ:
Classic trade that one
MJ:
No NH portfolio would be complete without it
NH:
indeed
NH:
anyway, I now have to try and load them up
NH:
which could prove difficult
NH:
the trouble with this app is the potential for a fat fingered trade
NH:
I might end up buying GKP
NH:
imagine that
NH:
anyway, let’s head to the markets
11:09AM
MJ:
OK
MJ:
after Friday’s sudden sell off
MJ:
market has had a small dead cat
MJ:
bounce
NH:
MJ:
Up 30 points at 5073, the FTSE 100 that is
NH:
hmm, do we actually know what went on Friday
NH:
sudden sharp sell off
NH:
there were a few disappointing numbers out of the US
NH:
but not enough to spark that sell off
NH:
perhaps it nerves ahead of the central bank meetings this week
MJ:
And as Reggie Perrin points out, there would have been month end repositioning
NH:
yes
NH:
anyway
NH:
the Viz shot up in recent days
NH:
and London has its worst since march
NH:
the ending March 6 to be precise
NH:
down almost 4%
MJ:
Anyway, the miners are contributing most of the gains at this morning
MJ:
after getting hammered last week
MJ:
but look, there’s only one story out there today
NH:
(Sorry Vix not Viz. X and Z close on the keyboard)
NH:
indeed
MJ:
and that’s the on going APS/EU saga and Lloyds and RBS
NH:
RBS and Lloyds
NH:
and the ongoing APS, EC state aid saga
11:13AM
NH:
So Miles
NH:
where are we
NH:
I am really confused after the weekend press
NH:
lots of conflicting stories and detail
NH:
where do we stand
MJ:
Well
MJ:
We have RBS saying it is looking at further asset sales
MJ:
“not initially contemplated” in its first plan
NH:
right
NH:
that’s from a statement, right?
MJ:
Yup. Also says that a deal with the Treasury over participation in the APS is close
MJ:
Reuters are reporting this could come as early as tomorrow
MJ:
when Lloyds is expected to make its own big announcement on its contingent capital plans
NH:
okay
NH:
so presumably RBS will have taken a thump on the news
NH:
Llloyds less so
MJ:
RBS shares are off 7 per cent
Royal Bank of Scotland Group (RBS:LSE): Last: 38.97, down 2.95 (-7.04%), High: 40.20, Low: 36.15, Volume: 138.42m
NH:
Can you wrap up what people are expecting in terms of disposals?
MJ:
Right
MJ:
the EU could well force the sale of its insurance businesses, as reported over the weekend
MJ:
In light of what happened with ING that would not be a surprise
MJ:
Then there are the branch disposals. But a real blow would be if RBS was forced to let go of Citizens in the US
NH:
Ah yes, the one Hester is said to consider a “red line issue”.
MJ:
Neelie Kroes is said to be thinking about asking RBS to offload it
NH:
Right, got any comment on this
MJ:
here is Cazenove
MJ:
Royal Bank of Scotland – (RBS.L RBS LN IN-LINE/NEUTRAL 42p)
RBS has issued a statement confirming that the negotiations with the authorities will include “divestments not initially contemplated. It remains RBS’s goal that any required divestments do not threaten its recovery plan”.
Further RBS expects to make a further announcement on APS and the EC position together with the third quarter results this week.
In our view it appears that the authorities are intent on imposing tougher sanctions on RBS. In what is still an uncertain picture, potentially the dilution to RBS from the sale of Insurance as well as demerger of branches could dilute potential earnings by 10%, while there remains a possibility that the £6bn option is exercised which would increase the dilution to 20% and cut potential earnings to perhaps 6-7p.
On Saturday the Financial Times reported that RBS will face harsher remedies from the European Commission than expected and also RBS will accept a much higher first loss on the asset protection scheme in exchange for a lower fee. The Sunday Telegraph though questioned the validity of the APS report and cited a government source stating that no decision has been made with respect to the APS.
MJ:
And here is a take from Jonathan Pierce of Credit Suisse
MJ:
RBS
Not quite as simple as it seemed

Summary
All the attention has been on LBG, but it seems the situation at RBS has developed into a rather complicated one as well. While details remain sketchy, our reading of the “new” plan for RBS is fairly valuation neutral, but with increased execution risk and raising further questions about the quality of its balance sheet.

The negative impact of the changes
We see three main negative impacts. First, a £40bn first-loss piece would render payments to RBS very unlikely, in our view. At the moment, we assume a pre-tax APS payout of £5bn over the next 5 years and this would, therefore, disappear. What worries us more is the potential message given by such a big FLP. Previous media reports have suggested that the EC wants the FLP set inline with expected losses – if these are £40bn then our loss assumption on these assets over the next 5 years might be £15bn too low. After tax, that’s around 10p per share. It might also lead the Government to inject the £6bn of B shares commited in February in addition to the £19.5bn we already have in the models. This would add 12bn to the share count, lifting it to 107bn, on our estimates.

Second, and on the same subject, the tier 1 supervisory deduction associated with a £40bn FLP would not fall away as quickly as previously assumed. While the day 1 deduction shouldn’t change very much – the regulatory rules require the lower of 50% of the FLP and 4% of the RWA relief, or £6bn, to be deducted – the FLP is unlikely to zero during our forecast horizon. In other words, we would expect some level of tier 1 deduction until the bank dropped out of APS.

Third, the divestments would obviously damage underlying earnings, with net profits potentially falling by £1-1.5bn depending on the extent of required disposals, on our numbers. This is net of the interest generated on any cash consideration. Whereabouts in that range depends in large part on whether the bank has to sell Citizens and the extent of sales in the “core” investment bank.

NH:
excellent Pierce is good
MJ:
The positive impact of the changes
The main positive we see is the potential for RBS to pay a lower overall APS fee, with less of that upfront. On the previous plan, the group would have paid HMT a £6.5bn fee and immediately given up £6bn of UK deferred tax assets (as at H1 2009). It would then have given up newly created UK deferred tax assets during the duration of the scheme. In total, based on RBS estimates, this would have cost around £15-17bn over 5 years.

On the new pay-as-you go plan, it seems reasonable to assume that RBS would pay around £3.5bn per annum in cash directly to HMT. To simplify the numbers, we also assume that the deferred tax asset element of the plan is removed completely. Then, if RBS came out of the scheme at the end of 2011 for example, it would have saved itself £7bn (£5bn after tax) versus the previous plan.

Pulling it all together
The detail will be key to drawing any conclusion. However, we have attached a summary spreadsheet based on the above, and which assumes a sale of the insurance company, 20% of core GBM and 300 branches at the end of this year for simplicity (although clearly it will have longer). We then note the following outputs.

1. The equity tier 1 ratio would rise to 14.6% at June 2009 versus 10.6% on the previous plan;
2. The equity tier 1 ratio would settle at 10.9% at December 2013 (8.5% previously);
3. The TNAV would be 57p at June 2009 and trough at 40p in 2011 (48p and 35p previously);
4. Normalised EPS would be 4.3p in 2013E and 5.3p excluding non-core (5.2p and 6.3p previously);
5. Resulting Government ownership would be 84%

MJ:
Like LBG, the numbers would suggest a relatively neutral outcome as a result of the changes, with lower EPS offset by higher equity and capital.

But what the plan really changes, in our view, is the gearing of the company to an improvement or deterioration in the economy. With a pay-as-you-go APS, the option to withdraw early could prove lucrative if things improve markedly, but with such a high FLP, the company is exposed to far more losses in the event of a downturn. This naturally increases the cost of equity, without a commensurate increase in the expected return – which must be valuation negative in our view. Furthermore, we view the very high first loss-piece as the second message in three months that losses could be bigger at RBS than currently forecast – we worried at the interim results about the £9-11bn of estimated deferred tax assets, implying future pre-tax group losses of £10-15bn. It begs the question what it is in the book that really concerns those that have scrutinised it closely?

The shares are currently trading on 11 times the present value of 2013E “core” EPS, and 1.4 times the present value of 2013E TNAV for a company we expect to generate a normalised ROE of about 13-14%. This seems at best fairly valued, and given the huge uncertainty, as well as the 84% Government ownership, arguably overvalued relative to many other banks, on our numbers. Clearly any one of the above assumptions could have a marked impact on the outcome but for now we remain on Underperform. Barclays remains the lowest risk, cheapest bank of the three UK domestic groups in our view.

MJ:
Bit long but very good
NH:
thanks for that
NH:
We should have a look at the Lloyds story running in today’s paper.
MJ:
So-called Cocos are the order of the day – contingent convertibles
NH:
₤7.5bn of them I see.
NH:
I should CoCo
MJ:
For those who haven’t seen
MJ:
Lloyds Banking Group will on Tuesday unveil twin sweeteners to persuade existing bondholders to exchange their bonds for riskier investments that could convert into equity – the most innovative, and closely guarded, element of the part-nationalised bank’s £25bn recapitalisation programme.
Alongside plans to raise up to £13.5bn in a deeply discounted rights issue to be revealed on Tuesday, Lloyds is aiming to raise £7.5bn of so-called contingent convertibles, or “Cocos”. These are bond financing that would count towards core tier one capital and convert into equity in a “stress scenario”.
NH:
So, what are people making of this?
MJ:
Well, from what we know so far, the idea is that these Coco instruments behave like a bond
NH:
Until the proverbial hits the fan and they switch into equity.
MJ:
Yup. They convert if Lloyds’ core tier one ratio drops below 6 per cent
MJ:
and are meant to carry the same coupons and values as the bonds they replace
MJ:
And while this has been done in insurance, contingent convertibles have never been used for banks before apparently
MJ:
These new bonds will carry conversion risk
MJ:
so should carry a higher coupon in theory to the instruments they are replacing
MJ:
So Lloyds will have to jig things around quite a bit to make this work
MJ:
There is some debate over where they will sit in the capital structure for example
MJ:
Investors might not be interested
MJ:
But given that holders of European bank tier one debt face the risk of the coupons being deferred
MJ:
There is a incentive to exchange
MJ:
And here is a nice summary of the UK banks stuff from the weekend from Robert Law at Nomura
MJ:
We would regard weekend press coverage as negative for Lloyds and RBS, but particularly RBS. However, negative sentiment is also likely to extend to the UK banks as a whole. In addition, the coverage appears to have negative implications for other European banks that have received state aid, particularly those where asset relief could be argued to have been provided on uncommercial terms and once again raises the prospect of more negative remedies.

RBS continues to look demandingly valued to us. At the Friday closing price, the market capitalisation is discounting PBT of at least £10bn in our view. The company’s peak profitability in 2007 was £10.4bn. Annualising the first half pre impairment PBT and normalising credit impairment would suggest PBT of £11.5bn. However, cutting the GBM contribution by one third would reduce this to £9bn. Furthermore, weekend press coverage suggests that the group is likely to have to make sizable disposals, including insurance and branches. If this is extended to Citizens (still under consideration apparently and c5% of normalised PBT) and GBM (the core of the group and two thirds of normalised PBT) also potentially to be scaled back, there is potential for significant dilution. At the same time, the first loss piece from the APS may be substantially increased, requiring higher capital raising and dilution. Remain negative on RBS.

RBS Likely to have to sell it insurance businesses, 300 or so branches and also scale back GBM. There are still question marks over whether it will be allowed to keep Citizens. If disposals are limited to insurance and a number of branches, then we would regard this as limited in impact; under 10% of PBT-nevertheless, it would still threaten some dilution. However, bigger disposals would be more serious. Citizens could ultimately generate 5% of group profits and GBM is the group’s largest profit generator, making some two thirds of our estimate of normalised profits.

NH:
OK
NH:
Law is good too
MJ:
Lloyds

At a market capitalisation of £38bn, we would argue Lloyds is discounting normalised PBT of c£8bn. The combination achieved this in 2007, ex HBoS private equity gains. Cost gains of £1.5bn are targeted from the merger. However, disposals and the dilution from the contingent capital raise have the potential to reduce earnings. At the same time, the group faces strategic challenges from its high loans/deposits ratio. These moving parts make the valuation of the group relatively uncertain. However, we do not regard the shares as clearly demanding as at RBS. We would view them as near fair value to moderately attractive and we would use any significant weakness in the capital raise period as a potential buying opportunity.

Press coverage suggests some £14bn in share issuance, of which £2bn would be from swapping existing non equity capital into a mandatory convertible, plus £7bn in contingent capital, again from a debt swap. At the closing price on Friday, this would result in a group market capitalisation of £38bn. The rights issue would be priced at 50p.

Disposals are likely to include C&G, IF and elements of the Scottish branch network. These are estimated to be some 5% of its current account market share of c25%. Pro rating this share, we would estimate that the disposals would relate to businesses with normalised PBT of some £400m-500m, or roughly 5% of the group total. This would be consistent with the indication the company gave in its statement last week that disposals related to EU remedies were unlikely to have a material effect on the group.

The cost of the contingent capital could also be high enough to incur dilution to profits, depending on the terms of the swap.

The implication behind the coverage is that much tougher sanctions would have been applied if the group had not exited the APS, further incentives for shareholders to back the deal. It is also consistent with the tougher measures apparently under consideration at RBS.

NH:
Okay, Miles
NH:
thanks for all that
NH:
as Super SWF notes
NH:
one of the interesting things on these CoCos
NH:
is the impact on insurers
NH:
which hold lots of this tier one debt
NH:
I will start calling round
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to see what we can find
NH:
although I have a big note from RBS
NH:
that I can put in the LR
11:24AM
NH:
Right
NH:
where to now
NH:
well
MJ:
There is discussion on the right about Dragon Oil, and the potential for a counter bid
NH:
I don’t see
NH:
not because the offer is particularly attractive
NH:
but because of this par
NH:
in today’s statement
NH:
which bascially says
NH:
if you don’t back this offer
NH:
there won’t be another one for a year
NH:
In arriving at their decision to recommend the Acquisition, the Independent Committee has also taken into account ENOC’s majority controlling shareholding in Dragon Oil, as well as a written irrevocable undertaking from ENOC not to sell or accept any offer for its Dragon Oil shares for a 12 month period commencing on 10 August 2009. As a consequence, the Independent Committee has been unable to engage with other parties because no alternative offer would be capable of completion”
MJ:
That looks pretty final
NH:
yep
NH:
terminal I would say
NH:
I suppose
NH:
they could increase their offer
NH:
because ENOC won’t be able to tender their offer
NH:
but if they get to the level of acceptances they need
NH:
they can start making life difficult for minority shareholders
Dragon Oil (DGO:LSE): Last: 445.50, up 35.5 (+8.66%), High: 448.00, Low: 445.00, Volume: 22.53m
11:27AM
NH:
well, obviously the bid for Dragon did materialise
MJ:
yes, 10p higher than rumoured, but good RAW nontheless
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
MJ:
What do we have today then Neil?
NH:
er, nothing as yet
NH:
although
NH:
I do have some fantasy M&A
MJ:
Excellent, I like dreamland deals
MJ:
so what have you got for our delectation?
NH:
well
NH:
what about Tesco bidding for Ahold?
MJ:
and whose dream is this?
NH:
ING
NH:
they say
NH:
Ahold’s cheap
NH:
Tesco could afford it and extract more synergies than anyone else
MJ:
And its more exciting than buying bits of Northern Rock
NH:
it certainly would be
MJ:
have you got the note?
NH:
yep, here it is
NH:
Ahold’s perceived undervaluation could lure predators. We
believe Tesco could finance such a deal and realise most
synergies. At a potential €12.8 takeover price, Tesco’s
2011F PBT and EPS could rise by more than 31% and 14%.
NH:
Ahold’s substantial undervaluation could trigger a takeover.
We see three possible scenarios: (1) nothing happens, the undervaluation
persists; (2) management tries to reduce the gap through more ambitious
growth targets/capital restructuring; or (3) predators could eye Ahold’s quality
assets.
NH:
Among potential industry buyers, Tesco is our favourite.
Tesco should be able to finance a potential €12.8 per share
bid. Tesco’s 2011F EPS could rise by an extra 14-20% depending on the
net amount of synergies, which we conservatively estimate at £493m. Pretax
returns on capital employed (including GW) could increase by 110bp in
2011F to 21.8%, only marginally less than Tesco on a standalone basis.
Compelling strategic logic for a deal with Ahold. The US market
is too big for Tesco to ignore, yet any attempt to increase the scale of Fresh
& Easy could prove very risky. Ahold should be viewed as a one-off
opportunity to acquire an undervalued asset at a low point in the US
consumer cycle.
NH:
Tesco (403p, BUY, TP 450p, previously 415p). Trading on a singledigit
PER for 2011F, this looks to be a good opportunity to gain further
exposure to what should be viewed as a core long-term holding. We reiterate
our BUY recommendation ahead of the 19 November Retailing Servicesseminar.

Ahold (€8.8, BUY, TP €11). We believe the Ahold shares offer
considerable upside towards our €11 TP. The shares are cheap on all metrics,
the group’s performance is resilient, and there are plenty of catalysts on the
horizon. A persistent market undervaluation could trigger takeover interest.

MJ:
somehow, I don’t see scenario one playing out
MJ:
because I can’t for the life of me see Tesco going for a big US expansion
NH:
nor me
MJ:
but stranger things have happened
NH:
I know Fresh & Easy is not going well
NH:
but buying Ahold
NH:
to expand it
NH:
nah
NH:
but stranger things have happened
11:32AM
MJ:
So, whats the other bit of fantasy M&A?
NH:
well, this is both fantasy and reheated
NH:
a novel combination
MJ:
Sounds a bit sickly to me
MJ:
go on
NH:
BHP to bid for Rio – again
MJ:
Ah yes, that rumour is being mailed round today
MJ:
probably because we are at the anniversary of the first bid breaking down
NH:
indeed
MJ:
Tearful types mourning what could have been
NH:
anyway, this reheat can be traced back to the following article in the AFR
NH:
http://www2.afr.com/home/login.aspx?ATL://20091102000031725557&section=Due%20Diligence
MJ:
So
MJ:
a revised offer at AFR article talks about a potential revised bid for RIO by BHP @ 2.3:1
MJ:
can’t see that happening
NH:
yep
NH:
and I can’t really see that happening either
NH:
but still
NH:
a few people in the Square Mile gossiping about today
11:35AM
NH:
Right
NH:
Miles on the phone
NH:
sounds like a lunch invite
NH:
Weds 11th
NH:
sounds like someone important
11:36AM
NH:
Guvnor
NH:
good question on Yell
NH:
I guess it is relief they finally got the last lender to sign up for the restructuring
NH:
but longer term
NH:
Yell will need regular infusions of equity to survive
NH:
because it’s business model is broken
NH:
and they won’t generate enough cash to pay down the debt
NH:
even after a £500m cash call
NH:
I think the business will still be 4x’s leveraged at the ebitda level
NH:
anyhow
NH:
this is a real risk appetite play
Yell Group (YELL:LSE): Last: 53.65, up 2.4 (+4.68%), High: 59.00, Low: 50.25, Volume: 10.62m
MJ:
Im back
MJ:
Was a company often rumoured to be a takeover target wanting to meet with Neil and I
MJ:
Its a FTSE 100 company
NH:
jeepers. that doesn’t happen very often. I got an invite from Savills last week but not a blue chip
NH:
wow
11:39AM
MJ:
moving on
MJ:
any interesting notes around this morning?
NH:
not really
NH:
bit quiet on that front at the moment
NH:
and that’s probably because of the third quarter results season
NH:
anyway
NH:
there is one thing
MJ:
go on
NH:
Deutsche Bank are pushing Cairn Energy this morning
NH:
big 30-page buy note out
NH:
looking at the prospects for Greenland
MJ:
Greenland?
NH:
yep, they are exploring in Greenland
MJ:
I thought it would be covered in perma-frost. Not somehere you could drill
NH:
well
NH:
global warming
NH:
that’s should help
MJ:
aha
NH:
and
NH:
Deutsche see the farm in agreement Cairn signed with Petronas
NH:
as a real sign of confidence that there could be oil
NH:
well, commercial oil
MJ:
Can you chuck some of the note up?
NH:
yes of course
NH:
Greenland coming into focus
Greenland’s transformational exploration potential is largely ignored in consensus
NAVs due to the long lead-time to first drilling (H2-11). However, preparations are
well advanced, and we view Petronas’ recent farm-in as a material vote of
confidence from an industry peer. Across our 12-month recommendation
structure, and with financing risk now removed, Greenland is likely to become a
growing driver of Cairn plc’s share price. Ahead of this we present detailed oil
development cash flow models, and include Greenland in NAV for the first time.
NH:
The elephant in the room
Through early mover advantage Cairn has built a dominant Arctic acreage position,
at low political risk. However, technical risk/costs are high; prospect details vague
and drilling due only in H2-11. These reasons left us comfortable to exclude
Greenland from NAV; limiting Cairn to a single asset, oil leveraged development
play. However, Petronas’ entry is an industry validation of Greenland’s potential,
which we believe should drive the market to reconsider Greenland’s worth.
NH:
What is a Greenland barrel worth?
Based on analogous Newfoundland Grand Banks developments, we calculate that
the unit NPV of a 450 Mln bbl FPSO-based oil development, under Greenland
fiscal terms, averages $8.8/bbl ($85/bbl long-run Brent). This places Greenland in
the upper quartile of global fiscal terms, a 450Mln bbl development falling to zero
NPV at c$39/bbl. Post Petronas, Cairn’s average equity exposure in Greenland
equals 72%. On this basis, the un-risked NPV to Cairn of a drill-ready 450Mln bbl
prospect equals 1165p. Investors today receive a free option on this potential.
NH:
Valuation: Greenland’s risk/reward to move to the fore during FY-10
Our 3406p risked total NAV is an NPV-10 view of value, based on current technical
data, DB oil forecasts, a detailed risk review. NAV rises from 3074p; Petronas cash
(139p), and 2 highly-risked Greenland prospects (175p) included for the first time.
Since Mangala’s discovery, Cairn has traded at an average 11% discount to total
NAV and sits at a 20% discount to India. Greenland has the materiality to close
this gap, and we move our TP to a 5% discount to the upgraded total NAV. Netnet
our TP rises 20% to 3240p (from 2700p). With Greenland set to increasingly
become a key driver of Cairn’s share price through FY-10, we recommend Buy.
Risks include oil price weakness, operational delay and exploration failure.
NH:
I can post the rest
NH:
in the usual place
MJ:
It looks interesting for sure
NH:
it does
NH:
and while we are talking about oil
NH:
here’s something for followers of the Falklands duo
NH:
Desire and Rockhopper
NH:
I think FatDaz might have put it up earlier
NH:
anyway
11:45AM
MJ:
anything else for small cap corner??
NH:
a few bits
NH:
Earthport being hammered again
Earthport (EPO:LSE): Last: 21.00, down 2.5 (-10.64%), High: 23.00, Low: 21.00, Volume: 189.12k
NH:
not sure why
NH:
perhaps Evil Knievil has said something
NH:
and also something called Meridian Petroleum
NH:
Miles
NH:
do you remember a guy called Peter Levine
NH:
and he’s not a relation Nick
MJ:
I have some memory of him
MJ:
Whats he up to these days?
NH:
well, the last we heard of him, he had pockted hundres of millions
NH:
with the sale of Imperial to ONGC
NH:
anyway
NH:
on Friday
NH:
he took a 29.9% stake in Meridian
NH:
placed a handful of ex-Imperial exceutives on the board
NH:
and said
NH:
that he would use it as an acquisition vehicle
MJ:
hmmm
MJ:
clearly has been busy then
NH:
yes
NH:
hang on
NH:
will just put up a bit of the statement
NH:
“This is effectively the launch of a new oil and gas company with the ambition and resources to become a significant independent player. We intend to develop President Petroleum Company from small-cap US producer with one major area of prospectivity in Australia, into a global, mid-cap business with substantial reserves and resources. Our aim is value creation that mirrors that achieved by companies in the sector whose reserves and resources have attracted the attention of larger businesses.

Today’s announcement confirms the strength of our position:- a strategic investor with significant industry connections; support from institutional investors; finance facilities and banking support; and highly experienced new Board members with oil company backgrounds.

We will shift our geographic focus to areas with much greater potential for major hydrocarbon discoveries and we expect to complement our prospects in Australia with other similar sized opportunities in such diverse areas as Asia, Africa and Europe. Our strengthened Board and Management capabilities will enable us to move quickly on any opportunities, and our new cash position will ensure we are able to add further resources wherever needed, whilst eliminating our net debt position.

NH:
so basically
NH:
the idea is build it up
NH:
with Levine’s contacts
NH:
and flog it to the Indians or the Chinese
MJ:
Will be one to watch this
MJ:
Because that is pretty much waht he did with Imperial
NH:
yes
11:50AM
NH:
apparently on Earthport
NH:
Evil has posted again
NH:
saying it is bust
NH:
apparently on something called Share Crazy
NH:
but I can’t find the piece
MJ:
Here are the effects
Earthport (EPO:LSE): Last: 20.50, down 3 (-12.77%), High: 23.00, Low: 20.50, Volume: 204.12k
MJ:
My screen is actually showing its fallen more than that
MJ:
Anyways, anything else on the Smalls front you want to touch on?
NH:
right I have one more small cap to mention
NH:
and then Miles
NH:
wants to head into Europe quickly
NH:
right
NH:
Merrill Lynch
NH:
they absolutely love Centamin Egypt
NH:
seems to me like they are pitching for the brokership
NH:
because they have hosted analysts trips
NH:
issued big buy notes
NH:
and now it is on one of the most recommended Europe 1 list things
MJ:
I see.
NH:
yes, this came out today
NH:
Adding Centamin to Emerging EMEA 1 list
We are adding Centamin to our Emerging EMEA 1 list of high conviction Buy
ideas. Post our recent site visit, we see substantial upside potential at the Sukari
deposit. We also see several positive catalysts for shares in the near term,
including the expected move to the main board of the LSE, and further investor site
visits in November. We raise our price objective slightly to GBp200, based on 2x our
new NPV. This is inline with average mid-cycle valuation for precious stocks.
NH:
Upgrade NPV by 10%, tailings leach to produce 20koz pa
We upgrade our NPV by 10% today, as we include an incremental 20koz pa of
gold production from the tailings leach. Previously, the company had expected to
produce from the sulphide ore tailings at the end of the mine life, but recently
decided to run a separate tailings dump leach process, concurrent with the main
plant. Our new NPV per share is GBp104.
NH:
“Blue sky” upside of a further 65% to new NPV
We also revisit our “blue sky” upside scenario of a 30-year mine life and 650koz
pa longer term. Upside to our new NPV is 65%. To be clear, whilst we see
considerable upside potential to the current reserve/resource base, this will only
be realized over time as the requisite infill drilling is completed. For now, we
remain with our more conservative assumptions as our base case.
NH:
that’s me done in small cap corner
11:53AM
NH:
Miles over to you
MJ:
Well just a quick thing
MJ:
There has been a fairness opinion put out on the Cisco offer for tandberg
NH:
right
MJ:
The obscure Norwegian teleconferencing company
MJ:
I should add
MJ:
Ernst & Young have said the offer is fair
MJ:
And that is about it
NH:
well, the directors recommended it
NH:
so I guess that much is predictable
NH:
but what happens next
NH:
Cisco seemed to the leave the door open to all eventualities on Friday
NH:
both walking and raising the offer
MJ:
Well, that is what some stories on Friday were saying
MJ:
But I still see it unlikely that Cisco would walk. This looks more like posturing to most people I have talked to
MJ:
Anyway, enough on that
NH:
thanks for that
NH:
some of the ROTR
NH:
asking about Ryanair
NH:
post results
NH:
what’s the price action Miles?
MJ:
has fallen 5 per cent in Ireland
11:57AM
NH:
hmmm
NH:
pretty disappointing set of results according to the number crunchers
NH:
which may explain all th noise ahead of today’s results
NH:
Deutsche saying results 7% below consensus
NH:
Neil Glynn at NCB
NH:
also disappointed when them
NH:
Conclusion & Action: Ryanair’s performance in Q2 came in behind our expectations,
as revenues were driven down 4% yoy in particularly challenging market conditions.
The Group continues to expect to lose some €150m in H2 with average fares down by
“up to 20%’ and extreme fare pressure will remain the key short term theme over the
winter. The Group’s future strategy will be shaped over the coming months as
negotiations with Boeing come to either a successful or unsuccessful conclusion and
we will get some clarity on the key longer term theme of impressive cash generation
NH:
here’s Cazennove
NH:
A solid set of results with no surprises and no change to guidance. The stock trades on a 2010E calendar
adjusted PER of 13.3x against 11.2x for easyJet. This is in our view undemanding and with limited downside
risk to forecasts we believe that there is scope for a short term rally in the shares. Should talks with Boeing
over a new aircraft order break down however, the share price may become affected by uncertainty about the
appropriate value for an exgrowth airline generating substantial amounts of cash.
MJ:
An ex-growth airline?
NH:
yeah. O’leary has taken his discussions with Boeing up another level
NH:
saying he doesn’t really need the planes
NH:
and could just go ex-growth instead
NH:
milk the business for cash and return lots of its shareholders
NH:
here’s Caz on that
NH:
Management has also indicated that talks with Boeing about a new aircraft order are not going well and if discussions are
not “completed before the year end” then Ryanair will “confirm a series of order deferrals and cancellations” and manage
the airline for cash returning the surplus to shareholders. This is not unexpected and was highlighted at the investor day.
This stance is in our view designed to put pressure on Boeing and, possible to open the door to Airbus if talks with
Boeing break down.
NH:
Ryanair’s relative share price performance has been very weak over the last six months, underperforming the FT Eurofirst
300 index by 25% in stark contrast to most of the other airlines we have under coverage. The biggest problem in our
view has been a mismatch between market expectations and incrementally cautious management guidance. It is not
unusual for market forecasts to be higher than initial management guidance for a financial year as, once visibility
MJ:
I saw O’Leary gave an interview in the paper this morning
NH:
he did
NH:
on this Boeing them
NH:
anyway
NH:
one more note
NH:
here’s Davy’s
NH:
Little progress on Boeing deal; fuel a tough comp;
downgrading rating to ‘neutral’
• Little progress has been made on the Boeing deal of 200
aircraft for delivery between 2013 and 2016. If the
discussions are not successful, Ryanair will cancel orders and
run the airline for cash. However, the preference is to grow
in Continental Europe.
• We are likely to keep our FY2010 forecast unchanged at
€250m (16.9c). However, based on fuel comps, FY2011
could be a challenging year unless yields finally invert. We
are likely to lower these estimates by c.5% to c.17.5c and
for FY2012 to c.29c.
• We believe that the Ryanair business model is one of the
most robust and will be the dominant player in the European
short-haul market. While we continue to see a ‘mid-cycle’
value of c.€4, we are downgrading our rating to ‘neutral’
until we see signs of unit revenue stabilisation and consensus
estimates move back (currently FY2010 net income €302m,
20c EPS; FY2011 €373m, 25c EPS; FY2012 €527m, 35c EPS.
12:02PM
NH:
actually Miles
NH:
talking of airlines
NH:
what’s BA doing?
MJ:
Down 4.6p at 177p
MJ:
BA results later this week of course
NH:
indeed
NH:
and we may get some hard numbers of the pension deficit
NH:
BA just had there big review
NH:
and I wonder what QE has done to the hole in the fund
NH:
won’t have helped the discount rate they use
MJ:
Could be very ugly
MJ:
Anything else to mention before we depart?
NH:
don’t think so
NH:
FTSE 100 up 30 points now
NH:
the miners flying
Eurasian Natural Resources Corp (ENRC:LSE): Last: 881.00, up 47.5 (+5.70%), High: 885.50, Low: 820.00, Volume: 560.12k
Randgold Resources (RRS:LSE): Last: 4,141, up 181 (+4.57%), High: 4,169, Low: 3,976, Volume: 174.88k
Lonmin (LMI:LSE): Last: 1,521, up 58 (+3.96%), High: 1,531, Low: 1,457, Volume: 401.92k
Kazakhmys (KAZ:LSE): Last: 1,128, up 39 (+3.58%), High: 1,134, Low: 1,079, Volume: 1.58m
NH:
but they were the biggest fallers last week
NH:
ENRC off 13% I think
NH:
so no surprise they are rallying
NH:
I think we are done Miles
NH:
although I note L&G are week
Legal and General Group (LGEN:LSE): Last: 76.00, down 2.5 (-3.18%), High: 78.50, Low: 75.80, Volume: 8.70m
NH:
I wonder if they are being spooked by the CoCo news
MJ:
Not sure – but worth looking into
NH:
indeed
NH:
Okay
NH:
that’s it for today
NH:
thanks for joining us
NH:
and for the comments
MJ:
Thanks
NH:
and before we go
NH:
I have the Earthport Evil Kneivil thing
NH:
it is not him
NH:
but one of his friends
NH:
this is from Share Crazy
NH:
an interesting website
NH:
Argues Lucian Miers, the Bard of the Boleyn

Evil Knievil recently highlighted Earthport (EPO) on www.t1ps.com and his diarist recommended selling them at around 30p. Having had a look at the company I have to agree with him and have sold short at 23p – where the market cap is still £19 million..

Earthport “owns provides and hosts an international money movement platform called the Universal Payments Network”. It has been going for ten years and invested around £70 million in the business. To date as far as I am aware the company has not turned a profit.

NH:
Its recent results were disappointing: Earthport lost £6.9 million on declining revenue of £1.5 million, much worse than Panmure the house broker had forecast and its net assets dwindled to £138,000. Its cash outflow was a worrying £5.1 million.

Part of the reason for this was the non appearance of £2 million receipt heralded in an announcement of January 7th this year from a mysterious, unnamed Middle East “partner”. The money was due within six months and its non receipt was announced nine months later, which seems a little late.

The company has long been a private client favourite and the constant object of bid speculation. Indeed it was until recently in a formal offer period having announced a strategic review that included the sale of the company. Unsuprisingly no bid was forthcoming.

NH:
Earthport’s coffers were slightly increased post the year end by a £1 million loan note which the company says has been fully subscribed for. It gave no details about the coupon on this note, who subscribed for it or what security was given against it. In any event given Earthport’s cash burn it is touch and go whether this sum would last them till Christmas and only serves to underline their inability to raise significant equity, the normal route in these circumstances.

Given Earthport’s turnover it does not look like their product is gaining much traction amongst financial institutions and I would be surprised to see the majors doing business with a company with such a precarious balance sheet.

There must be a real chance that Earthport’s days are numbered without a dramatic upturn in their business and I am happy to be short even at these levels.

MJ:
Neil, isn’t that exactly the same argument you have been making for ages now?
NH:
it is
NH:
but probably the correct one
NH:
the loan note is particularly interesting
NH:
anyway
NH:
we are done for today
NH:
lunch beckons
MJ:
Also, I would welcome any insane ideas for highly leveraged suicidal trades for this virtual portfolio thingy
NH:
GKP?
MJ:
Send to: miles.johnson@ft.com
MJ:
ha
NH:
Earthport
MJ:
Anyway
MJ:
Take care all
NH:
BBB – bit behind on this garlic thing
NH:
what is it?
NH:
Thanks guys
NH:
got it now
NH:
Okay
NH:
see u all tomorrow
NH:
thanks for joining in
NH:
bye
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