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Markets live transcript 29 Jun 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:11 on 29 Jun 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Paul Murphy, FT (PM)

NH:
Good morning
NH:
and welcome to Markets Live
NH:
FT Alphaville’s daily markets chat
NH:
I think Paul is here
NH:
he is
PM:
am here
NH:
just back from the vending machine
NH:
cuts all over his arm
NH:
self harming?
PM:
yep — gone all Emo
11:06AM
NH:
shall we discuss what we are doing on the H&M front
PM:
Well, I can tell you one thing
PM:
We’re not closing the short
NH:
(Jones already up)
PM:
There is just way too much excess in the system.
PM:
Stuff needs flushing out. The cleansing forces of recession have not finished – nowhere near.
NH:
Why do I think this is going to mutate into some sort of tale about a stupid building quote you’ve got for doing your house up.
PM:
Ha – spot on Neil.
NH:
Let’s get it over with.
NH:
this explains the cuts does it?
PM:
yep
PM:
I ordered a skip for 7am on Saturday, with a plan to have it taken away – full – at 10am.
PM:
So the skip truck drops it off and I get out of bed and dump goodness knows how much rubble and wood in the skip.
PM:
Anyway, about 9.30 this brand new Bentley convertible – silver, tan leather seats etc – cruises into my little road.
PM:
And the guy in shouts at me – “It’s too big. You’ve got too much stuff in there – he won’t be able to take it away.”
PM:
I had a double take.
PM:
The guy driving the Bentley was the guy who had dropped my skip off two hours earlier.
PM:
And here he was telling me I’d have to get a second skip because id put too much in the first.
NH:
You got a problem with people from the building trade driving flash motors?
NH:
Never had you down as a snob Murphy
PM:
It’s not that. It is just that it defies economic order.
PM:
If your job is carting skips around it should not really be the case that you can afford a car that is usually only available to to – say the top 10 basis points of the population.
NH:
Well, it was probably his skip company.
NH:
And prestige motors have been very cheap cos of the crunch.
PM:
Hmm, maybe.
PM:
But there’s also a sense that the building trade is ripping everyone off spectacularly – such as trying to get me to take an extra skip.
PM:
and everyone pays up with borrowed money, on the assumption that it adds value to the house etc, etc.
PM:
I tell you, there’s still far too much excess in the system.
NH:
So how long did it take you to fill the second skip.
PM:
Didn’t take it.
PM:
Another guy came to take the full skip – and I bunged him 40 quid to take it away, even though it was supposed to be too full.
NH:
Okay, so the short position stays…
NH:
but what the skip driver
NH:
has he still got a job?
PM:
PM:
Lets mvoe on, before they start complaining over on the right
11:10AM
NH:
wider market?
PM:
Yeah — how’s the Footsie/
NH:
up
NH:
but not by much
NH:
just 14 points better at 4,256
NH:
Lloyds leading the market higher
NH:
up 2.6p at 69p
NH:
before we get on to that note
NH:
Paul has just found some interesting flashes
NH:
from Thomsonwire
PM:
RTRS-BIS: FINANCIAL PRODUCTS SHOULD BE REGISTERED LIKE DRUGS WITH INVESTOR ACCESS BASED ON SAFETY LEVELS
PM:
How about that?
PM:
here’s are the full snaps on the BIS
NH:
WTF
PM:
11:00 29Jun09 RTRS-BIS RECOMMENDS NEW SYSTEMIC RISK CHARGE ON BANKS ACCORDING TO SIZE AND LINKS WITH OTHER BANKS
11:00 29Jun09 RTRS-BIS SAYS TRADING OVER-THE-COUNTER DERIVATIVES ON EXCHANGES WOULD IMPROVE MARKET SAFETY
11:00 29Jun09 RTRS-BIS SAYS NEW BANK RESERVE BUFFERS CANNOT BE ONE SIZE FITS ALL
11:00 29Jun09 RTRS-BIS SAYS CENTRAL BANKS SHOULD BE MORE ACTIVIST IN MONITORING PROPERTY AND SHARE PRICES, DEBT
NH:
registered like drugs???
NH:
this sounds heavy
NH:
have they got any power??
NH:
Class A drugs for CDOs
NH:
toxic pub securitisations
NH:
CDS – Class B??
PM:
We could have a new ranking system here
PM:
We could argue for de-criminalisation of the equity market
NH:
Right, looks like these flashes are coming from the 79th annual report from the BIS
NH:
I have a link
PM:
(LorcanRK — very good)
NH:
whose your dealer Paul?
PM:
Whole new meaning to the word
NH:
huge report
NH:
250 pages
NH:
will have to flick through it later
PM:
here’s a coule of abstracts
PM:
Financial regulators, fiscal authorities and central bankers face enormous risks. To avoid deepening and prolonging the crisis, they must act quickly while guarding against policies that hinder adjustment or create additional distortions in financial flows. For financial rescue and repair, there is a need to persevere until the job is done. For fiscal policymakers, there is a need to ensure that policy is on a sustainable long-run path. And for monetary policymakers, there is a need to plan their exit from unconventional policy actions, and then to execute it in a timely fashion.

Looking further ahead, ensuring sustained financial stability requires a redesign of macroeconomic as well as regulatory and supervisory policies with an eye to mitigating systemic risks. For macroeconomic policies, this means leaning against credit and asset-price booms; for regulatory and supervisory policies, this means adopting a macroprudential perspective. Importantly, reform must focus on identifying systemic risks arising in all parts of the financial system – risks that arise from the complexity, opacity and ownership concentration of financial instruments; from the counterparty risk and margining practices in financial markets; from the risk of joint failure created by interconnections and common exposures; and from the procyclicality that is inherent in financial institution management and can be compounded by microprudential regulation.

PM:
This part of the Annual Report reviews the organisation of the Bank for International Settlements, summarises its activities for the financial year 2008/09 and presents its financial results.

The work of the Bank during the financial year was dominated by the need to deal with the challenges posed by the intensifying global financial crisis. Financial stability issues became a main focus and work programmes were redirected to concentrate on this, both in support for the committees hosted at the BIS and in the Bank’s research activities.

The market turmoil confronted the Bank with sustained demand to accept deposits and made it difficult to place funds profitably at an acceptable level of risk. As a result of actions taken by the BIS in its banking and risk management practices to address these challenges, the Bank’s currency deposit base decreased by 16% during the financial year 2008/09 and the balance sheet total decreased by 18%. The net profit for 2008/09 amounted to SDR 446.1 million, 18% lower than for the previous financial year.

PM:
Ah, when people can read the full copy themselves
NH:
Thanks for that. While we are off on a bit of a tangent, seen this statement from the LSE this morning
PM:
you did menion
NH:
looks like there has been some real market abuse going on
NH:
all today with layering apparently
PM:
go on
NH:
well, the LSE has fined some people
NH:
we don’t who they are
NH:
but seems very interesting
NH:
here’s some of the release
NH:
. The Executive Panel of the London Stock Exchange has recently heard a
case against a member firm for allegedly failing to have sufficient
controls in place over the order flow of an order routing client.
Specifically, the Exchange believed that the member firm failed to
have adequate controls in place to prevent the client from layering
the Exchange’s order book.
NH:
Layering of the order book involves the submission of multiple orders
on one side of the order book to create the impression of liquidity
when the trader’s intention is ultimately to trade in the opposite
direction.
NH:
. This Stock Exchange Notice sets out the background to the case
and provides member firms with guidance, under Rule C020 of the Rules
of the London Stock Exchange (“the rules”), in order to assist
understanding of the Exchange’s concerns in this area and the
expectations the Exchange places on member firms.
Case background
4. The case related specifically to a small number of alleged layering
incidents in October 2008, but arose against a background of the
Exchange having discussed with the member firm numerous similar
incidents (arising, the Exchange understands, from the activity of the
same underlying client) from October 2007 to January 2008.
NH:
. The Statement of Case prepared by the Exchange’s investigation team
alleged the following:

* the member firm had a control designed to prevent layering but it
failed to operate as intended on a number of occasions, allowing
apparent layering activity to occur;

* the control was not robust as weaknesses in its software were
exploited by a trader at the order routing client so that it could
be bypassed;

* the fact that the control was intended to prevent such orders
reaching the book meant that, effectively, those orders were
erroneous from the member firm’s point of view (even if they were
deliberately entered by the trader at the order routing client);

* the incidents in October 2008 occurred despite the Exchange
providing the member firm with clear warning in January 2008 of
the possibility of disciplinary action if it did not bring the
activity under its trading codes under proper control.
The Executive Panel’s findings

NH:
there’s loads more
PM:
That is interesting
NH:
but the concept of layering sounds interesting
NH:
you load the order book one way
NH:
with the intention of dealing the other way
PM:
I think it used to be really common when the orderbook system was first introduced
PM:
But lkook
PM:
Look, even
PM:
What is the LSE doing fining people??
PM:
What is this Executive Panel
PM:
Why isnt it an FSA job — they are supposed to be the regulator with what is just another form of market abuse
NH:
not sure?
NH:
but I would like to know who has been abusing the system?
NH:
one of the big liquidity providers??
NH:
one of the big banks?
PM:
And in which stocks
NH:
we need to know
PM:
If it was an FSA fine it would be public
NH:
yep, the head would be on a pike by now
PM:
So what is this LSE secret shadow regulation system ????
NH:
dunno
PM:
Transparency please!
PM:
And theHoof asks — does the LSE get to keep the fines
NH:
new revenue stream?
PM:
yeah
London Stock Exchange Group (LSE:LSE): Last: 696.50, up 9 (+1.31%), High: 700.50, Low: 666.50, Volume: 182.39k
11:22AM
PM:
Lets goet on to some stock specifics
NH:
people askinig for RAW
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH:
and sadly we don’t have any this morning
NH:
but we do have this Lloyds note
NH:
which people were asking about
NH:
big push from Goldman this morning
NH:
a target price above 100p
NH:
forms part of big sector piece, which makes the rather obvious point that the UK banking industry is going through unprecedented change
NH:
and while you and me might think these changes are negative
NH:
and there is a very good reason why banks should trade at a discount to tangible book value
NH:
the bulls at Goldman strongly disagree
PM:
on what basis??
NH:
well, the argument seems to be that because some players have been wiped out
NH:
returns could improve
PM:
right
PM:
let’s have a look at this note
NH:
Okay, here it is
NH:
Structural changes positive for LT returns
The UK banking sector is going through
unprecedented change. The market appears to
view these changes as unambiguously negative
given that the UK banks currently trade at less
than 1x tangible book versus historical averages
of above 3x. Our view is more constructive: we
see a strong relationship between market share
concentration and long-term returns, and expect
some of the reduced ROE following de-leveraging
to be offset over time through higher ROA.
NH:
Credit costs key driver of ROE; risk
transformation through GAPS
The key driver of valuation is ROE, and the key
cyclical driver of ROE is cost of credit. We have
taken a closer look at the credit risk remaining on
the banks’ balance sheets after taking the
Government’s Asset Protection Scheme (GAPS)
into account. We conclude that Lloyds is likely to
have below-sector-average credit losses by 2011,
and that normalized medium-term losses will be
below 0.5% of loans, suggesting an ROE of 20%+
after 2011.
NH:
Asset/liability repricing; pain now, gain later
We have attempted to model the repricing of
assets and liabilities for the three domestic UK
banks. We expect Lloyds’ and RBS’s net interest
income to decline by an average 12% in 2009 and
4%-6% in 2010, and to turn positive in 2011.
NH:
Lloyds onto Conviction Buy (from Neutral)
Lloyds is trading at 0.8x our estimated trough
reported tangible book value of 87p, vs. a 2011E
ROTE of 16%, making it the least expensive large
cap bank in Europe. This is despite our view that:
(1) it has the highest credit buffers in relation to
vulnerable assets in Europe thanks to GAPS; (2) it
will report above-average ROTE by 2011; and (3)
its market share – the highest of any bank in the
G7 – should allow its returns to recover to sectorleading
levels over the long term. We upgrade
Lloyds to Buy and add it to our Conviction List
and UK Relative Value List.

Reinstating on Barclays as Neutral
We have removed the Not Rated designation from
Barclays and have a Neutral rating on the shares.

PM:
So what is the GS view on Barc??
NH:
GS worried about the impact of Diamante Bob’s plan to knock them off the top spot in investment bank
NH:
Implications
In our view, Barclays is well positioned to navigate through the headwinds that UK banks are currently facing. We regard Barclays’ capital levels as sufficient and, importantly, we expect the bank to remain profitable throughout this economic downturn. We also believe that its efforts to remain independent of government ownership give it increased freedom to act fully commercially.
NH:
Looking ahead, we expect the integration of the Lehman Brothers US operations and the related ambitious target of building Barclays Capital into a world-leading investment bank to be the key focus for Barclays. We estimate that this will contribute 43% of group gross operating profits from 2009 through to 2011. At the recent Barclays Capital investor day, management identified £5 bn of potential incremental revenue streams that could be achieved over the coming years through Lehman Brothers’ US operations alone.

NH:
While we are encouraged by the early signs of a successful integration, we remain concerned about near-term earnings dilution from the sale of Barclays Global Investors, as we expect this to reduce underlying ROE and
long-term growth. In addition, we believe Barclays is likely to return to normalized returns at a later stage in the cycle than its UK peers, as it has opted out of participating in the Government’s Asset Protection Scheme.
PM:
And them paying to rename subway stops in the US
PM:
i suspect
NH:
Oh year, read that
NH:
in Brooklyn?
PM:
yeah
PM:
can you imagine was an eye soar cities would become if they sold place names to corporation and banks?
PM:
NH:
it’s stupid
NH:
Bob’s stop
PM:
PM:
Barclays stock up 3.5p at 271.6 currently
NH:
while we are talking about Barclays, a couple of other things to mention
NH:
one is that one of the biggest bears has finally capitulated
PM:
What — Sandy Chen!>?!>!
NH:
no, SocGen
PM:
ah
NH:
they set some really, really bearish price target a couple of months back but have thrown in the towel this morning
NH:
bears capitulating could be a good sign
NH:
Update The acceptance of Blackrock’s offer for Barclays Global Investors (BGI) on
16 June accomplished three things in our view: 1) it materially transformed the bank’s
earnings profile 2) signified a step change in strategy, and 3) significantly added to the capital position, dampening but not eliminating leverage and capital concerns. We had previously estimated a £15-20bn deficit in tangible common equity (TCE). However following the bank’s actions in Q2 09 (e.g. BGI and exchange offer), the rally in the share price, continued momentum in capital market revenues, and assuming conversion of £3bn in warrants, we now believe the bank has effectively raised at least £8.5bn of
capital.
NH:
Impact Our 2009-2011e estimates are updated to include the BGI transaction, the
exchange offer, and a material uplift in our expectations for revenues within Barclays
Capital. These uplifts to profits are countered by our more pessimistic assumptions on
bad debts. We also assume £5.8bn of gross credit market related writedowns in 2009e.
We now believe the bank will trade profitably in 2009e and 2011e but we expect it to be loss-making in 2010e. We assume cash dividend payments will restart in Q4 09 (initial cash dividend of 1.3p in Q4 09e). We now expect Barclays Capital to account for 57% of underlying earnings by 2012e and believe the greatest risk to our forecasts is our estimates for revenues within Barclays Capital. Every £1bn of revenue lost or gained in Barclays Capital would reduce/add 3p to our EPS.
NH:
Target price & rating We upgrade to Hold from Sell on a 2010e TP of 260p (vs 46p), making Barclays our top pick amongst UK banks on which we continue to adopt a
cautious stance. We arrive at our new target price by discounting our 2012e EPS back to 2010 (discount rate: 12%). We use 2012e as our base given the challenging conditions we expect to persist in Barclays’ key operating markets over the next 30 months. We acknowledge that, while not all of Barclays problems have been addressed, evidence
suggests a solid foundation for future independent growth has emerged.

Next events & catalysts US bank Q2 reporting season begins on 13 July with Goldman Sachs. Barclays reports its H1 09 results on 6 August.

PM:
Painful thing for this analyst to do
PM:
Moving from a TP of 46p to 260
NH:
NH:
ouch
NH:
very painful
PM:
Thing is with these things — if your call is wrong, you got to put your hands up
PM:
QUICKLY
PM:
Not wait for two months until your recommendation gets gets squeezed to …
NH:
yeah
NH:
well those in glass houses
NH:
we must move quickly to close our bear
NH:
if conditions dictate
PM:
And what was the other thing about Barc that you were going on about
PM:
??
NH:
ah yes, the other thing
NH:
Roger Jenkins
NH:
the real power behind the throne at Barclays
NH:
now, Jenkins has a very, very glamorous wife
NH:
her name is Diana, and I think she is a former Bosian supermodel
NH:
anyway, she gave an interview to the Sunday Telegraph business sector this weekend
NH:
and it is very amusing
NH:
basically a huge plug for here new drinks business, Neuro
NH:
The brand’s claim is to help drinkers’ performance. Neurosporti is for the athletic, Neurotrim for the unathletic, Neurosleep for the insomniacs, and Neurogasm for the would-be lotharios.
PM:
Neuro?
PM:
So Diana, Roger’s princess, is setting up a drinks company
NH:
and we could do with some of that on Alpha
NH:
just for the insomnia you understand
PM:
Here’s think link
NH:
Murph about some highlights?
PM:
Diana Jenkins passes over a book of photos of her friends. Adorning the cover is a picture of a beautiful brunette clad in nothing more than a sheet. The inside pages continue the theme. Stunning men and women and pages and pages of flesh.
PM:
“I was living off charity and had nothing and thought I would rather be dead than live like that. I came to the UK as a refugee in 1993 and ended up in Brixton,” she says, in near perfect, though accented, English. “I couldn’t speak English, I didn’t have any money and I didn’t know anybody. It was literally about survival.”
A graduate of the University of Sarajevo, Jenkins went looking for a job in London’s Covent Garden and persuaded a store to take her on, initially paying £2 an hour. Putting herself through night-school to learn English while working in the store and as a cleaner, she saved enough money to open her own jewellery stall. The business was successful and she opened further stalls, eventually saving herself enough to enrol at City University. While there she launched her own investment fund and met her future husband. The two were married 10 years ago and have two young children.
PM:
While Diana is reluctant to take any credit, insisting that her husband masterminded the deal, she was instrumental in bringing the two sides together after forming a close relationship with the wife of Sheikh Hamad Al-Thani, the Prime Minister of Qatar.
It was Malcolm Gladwell, the US author, who came up with the notion of connectors, people whose social skills allow them to bring different people together, and Jenkins is the perfect example.
PM:
“It’s just what I do, it’s what I enjoy. Because I am really casual, people feel comfortable around me and I can read people very well,” she says. “Roger and I couldn’t be any more different but we make a good team. He’s very stable, focused and calm. I sometimes have to force him to open the door to new opportunities. He’s not about instinct, whereas I do my things almost in a cowboy, wild way.”
As she points out, her love for life – which has seen her become a paparazzi favourite following trips to some of London’s most fashionable late-night haunts – should not come as a big surprise.
NH:
NH:
enough
NH:
must make the board of Barclays cringe
PM:
what’s that doing in the business sector
PM:
?
NH:
not sure
PM:
lets move on
11:33AM
PM:
Namarama — judging by my email traffic in the early hours of Saturday morning, the Dublin event was a success
NH:
were you abused in those emails
PM:
No no — just geting updates on how much was being spent
NH:
and the total?
PM:
Not sure
PM:
But the numbers looked heroic
PM:
Thanks to those who organised
NH:
apparently our Irish correspondent was there
NH:
which means those in attendance have one over on us
NH:
never met the guy
NH:
or talked to him
NH:
I hope he was nice
NH:
at EUR190 a head
NH:
glad I could’t make it
PM:
Londonbus — would have loved to hvae gone, but had too much on at home (filling skips etc)
NH:
how can drink EUR190 a head
NH:
EUR10 would have me under the table
PM:
course it would neil. But you’re an amateur on the drinking front
NH:
I am
PM:
And im not
PM:
NH:
a veteran
PM:
lets move on
PM:
Hang on
PM:
Carlomagno!
PM:
Thank you for that
PM:
India to launch cow urine as soft drink
PM:
Dont think we need any more of that
PM:
Probably cheaper than Irish Guinness tho
NH:
hmmm
NH:
sounds like a good time was had by all
PM:
back to stocks or what??
11:38AM
PM:
ECB
NH:
Have we found an expert to tell us more about this unlimited financing thingy the ECB did last week?
PM:
Picking up bits and pieces
PM:
This was the one-off unlimited facility, where the banks subsequently drew down over £400bn of one year money at 1 per cent.
PM:
Can tell you where the money went.
NH:
Where?
PM:
No where.
PM:
Or at least, nowhere other than back to the ECB – banks hoarding again.
PM:
Here’s Julian Callow at BarCap
PM:
Unsurprisingly, the vast excess of term liquidity generated by last Wednesday’s one year refinancing has resulted in a massive surge in overnight deposits banks are making back with the ECB: the ECB just noted that €236.2bn was deposited last Friday, up from €143.4bn deposited on Thursday, €7.4bn last Wednesday, and just €286mn on Tuesday, prior to the operation . Last Wednesday we estimated the excess liquidity resulting from the one year refinancing (which allotted €442.2bn) as around €270bn, and Friday’s use of the deposit facility would be consistent with that.
PM:
On Friday, EONIA (the euro area effective overnight index average) was 0.39%, a new record low, having seen the collapse to 0.43% on Thursday (in contrast, on Monday-Tuesday last week it was at 0.76/0.75%).

Meanwhile, Eonia volumes have collapsed given the abundance of liquidity, with €22.677bn on Friday and €25.7bn on Thursday (typically, Eonia volumes have been running around €40bn). We expect that Eonia volumes will if anything decline further this week in accordance with typical end-month behaviour.

Overall, as we suspected, the ECB’s stance – as revealed by developments during Wed-Fri last week – is to let the market address the excess liquidity itself, rather than by actively draining. It is very likely that at Wednesday’s regular weekly repo there will be a very large “negative” bid as the market adjusts to the excess surplus (use of the deposit facility is costly since banks will have borrowed at 1.0% and re-deposited at 0.25%:
they can simply rein in the excess liquidity by borrowing less at weekly and quarterly refinancings).

NH:
er
NH:
don’t get that
NH:
borrow at 1%
NH:
re-deposit at 0.25%
PM:
Well, i said I’d get an expert — I did say we’d understand the explanation
NH:
All seems a bit of a muddle.
PM:
it does seem mad — there is clearly a core need for liquidity
PM:
here’s some more
PM:
Hence it continues to be the case that, in this environment of unlimited allotments, the ECB is tolerating volatility in EONIA. In “normal”
conditions it has sought to keep EONIA averaging a constant spread of 6-8bp above the minimum bid rate in its weekly operations (the “main policy rate”). But with the provision of unlimited liquidity, particularly if for one year in such gigantic size, it is not practical for the ECB’s operations directorate to be actively compensating for that with day to day fine tuning operations.

Rather, the ECB would apparently let the market settle the liquidity excess itself, even if that means that EONIA has been very volatile since the unlimited allotments commenced in mid-October last year. If anything, the volatility has increased during the past two months, despite the market effectively shifting to anticipate no more ECB rate cuts. In turn, the EONIA volatility is damaging to the money markets, since EONIA is one of the cornerstone of pricing of all maturities (and it influences strongly Euribor, which in turn is the key reference rate fior banks in setting lending and deposit rates to households and businesses).

PM:
It seems that, rather than pursue a more simple and transparent policy, as with other central banks, of focusing on the short term rate (and thereby lowering this), the Governing Council, by shifting its focus to the one year rate via the unlimited one year refinancing, has left the market decide of the amount of liquidity in the system. And thus, it is in effect letting the market decide about very short end rates.

The markets will be hoping that Mr Trichet will shed some further light on the Governing Council’s perspectives towards the money markets, particularly concerning the volatility in EONIA, at Thursday’s press conference in Luxembourg.

NH:
interesting stuff though
NH:
right, Paul is just checking something in the back end of the system
NH:
we might come to the defence of Taxloss
NH:
because we are sick of his stalker
NH:
which is not funny and pretty boring
NH:
so the RED is coming out
PM:
Yeah Red’s out Neil
PM:
Banned for a year
NH:
excellent, always puts a spring in my step
NH:
shall we move on
PM:
Actually, that person was under a ban that ran out in mid May
PM:
Just to be clear here, we are going routinely zap people who abuse other commenters — regardless, instantly, no appeal
Warning to rude and abusive commenters – your ability to comment will be terminated immediately and permanently, without warning. Henceforth, FTAlphaville has instituted a One Strike and You Are Out policy. We’ve had enough. We are going to clean up these pixels once and for all.
PM:
I’d forgotten that sys msg
11:45AM
PM:
right
PM:
we have some M&A this morning, which is unusual for a Monday in June
NH:
we do, FirstGroup has made a hugely opportunistic approach for National Express
NH:
which in turn has been told where to go in no uncertain terms
NH:
The Board of National Express confirms that on 19 June 2009 it received a highly
preliminary approach regarding a potential share for share merger on unspecified
terms from FirstGroup plc. At the present time, the Board is focused on
implementing a number of initiatives to strengthen the Group and does not
consider it appropriate to enter into discussions with FirstGroup plc.

NH:
that was the National Express response
NH:
in case you hadn’t guessed
PM:
and while all of that is interesting, so is the advisor on this deal
NH:
go on, who is it?
PM:
Ian Hannam at JP Morgan Cazenove
NH:
ah, Mr Hannam
NH:
ex-SAS guy
NH:
and very busy guy at the moment
PM:
Still territorial SAS i think
PM:
Citizen soldier
PM:
Got to be careful of him
NH:
yes
NH:
and look what he had done in the past month
NH:
how does one guy stay on top of all this
NH:
first he masterminds the merger between Heritage Oil and that Turkish outfit Genel Energy
NH:
and note that was an all stock deal
NH:
the he pops up as advisor to Xstrata on its nil premium hostile merger approach for Anglo American
NH:
and note again, that’s an all stock offer
NH:
and this morning he is named as advisor on First Group’s proposed offer for National Express
NH:
again an all stock offer
PM:
hmmm
NH:
how can you flick between oil, mining and buses so quickly
PM:
Has a large talent team at Caz
NH:
oh, year a former senior FT hack!
PM:
Oh, yes, and Charlie Pretzlik
PM:
so, what do we take from all this? — paper elements, nil premium suggestsion, etc
NH:
well
NH:
companies are becoming more confident
NH:
making cheeky offers for strugling rivals
NH:
but acquisition finance
NH:
clearly difficult to find
NH:
and without cash
NH:
these offers seem to get knocked back fairly easily
PM:
what’s been the market response to the approach this morning?
NH:
National Express are up a bit
National Express (NEX:LSE): Last: 289.75, up 14 (+5.08%), High: 304.50, Low: 286.50, Volume: 2.10m
NH:
while First Group are off
FirstGroup (FGP:LSE): Last: 366.75, down 4 (-1.08%), High: 378.50, Low: 361.00, Volume: 1.19m
NH:
and the view in the market seems to be, well done First Group for having a go
NH:
but this deal won’t happen
NH:
for a couple of reasons, one is that First Group is not exactly debt free
PM:
of course, it would have borrowed a lot of cash to buy Greyhound
PM:
another deal masterminded by Mr Hannam if I not mistaken
NH:
yes
PM:
JP Morgan Hannam Cazenove
NH:
ha
NH:
and second, National Express are hardly likely to sell out while they are negotiating with the government over the East Coast mainline
NH:
and on that point, First Group are not exactly in any position to absorb the losses from the East Coast mainline
PM:
MorHanCaz
NH:
NH:
JPMHC
PM:
(User4717741 — i can ban you quicker than you can set up new webmail accounts)
PM:
(User4717741 — if you persist, i wil contact your parents)
PM:
Sorry — neil — any analyst comment
PM:
?
NH:
hang on, a few bits around
NH:
right, here’s Arbuthnot
NH:
The Financial Times has reported that National Express has rejected a takeover approach from FirstGroup. We presume that FirstGroup’s approach was in some way contingent upon there being a solution that caps the future losses at National Express’ East Coast rail franchise. In our view, FirstGroup is in no better a position to deal with or absorb the losses at the franchise than National Express. If National Express were able to find such a solution, such as by surrendering the franchise, even at the risk of cross-defaulting on its other franchises, then we believe that the group would be able to refinance and launch a rights issue to reinforce the balance sheet, thereby removing the need for a rescue from FirstGroup.
NH:
The latter’s balance sheet is also relatively stretched (March 2010E net debt/EBITDA 3.1x) so any offer would probably have been mostly or completely in shares, potentially with only a modest premium. We remain of the view that a takeover of National Express does not, in the absence of other measures, provide a solution to the group’s main problem, the East Coast franchise. Our recommendations and target prices are unchanged: National Express (Reduce, TP 260p), FirstGroup (Strong Buy, TP 470p
NH:
Collins Stewart
NH:
According to the Press, talks between the DfT and National Express regarding a bail-out of the East Coast Mainline franchise broke down last week. We understand National Express had been looking to end the current arrangement and run the franchise on a management contract basis, whilst DfT re-tenders the business. We have long been of the view that there will be no bail-outs in rail, and this appears to be the stance the DfT is taking. In our opinion, National Express now faces the choice of either racking up huge losses at East Coast or defaulting on the franchise, which would mean exiting UK rail altogether. The company has been flagging East Coast is likely to make a £30m loss this year, rising next year; there is no revenue protection until 2012
NH:
FirstGroup reported to have made an unsolicited approach
Separately, FirstGroup’s Chairman is reported to have made an unsolicited approach to National Express’s Chairman following the collapse of the rail talks. According to today’s FT, the approach has been rejected. This comes as something of a surprise, given First’s strategy is to focus on cash generation and organic growth. However, it is clearly opportunistic – without rail and with a sensible balance sheet structure – our sum-of-the-parts points to a fair value of around 500p for National Express – an 80% premium to the current share price. Given FirstGroup’s already high leverage, any approach would no doubt have to be in shares; alongside this we’d expect a sizeable equity raise (c.£500m) to pay down National Express debt.

NH:
And Panmure
NH:
NEX’s problems are well known. Its East Coast franchise is heading for massive losses and is heavily indebted; in fact, it is in danger of breaching its banking covenants. The DfT is unlikely to renegotiate the terms and conditions of East Coast, and NEX may choose to hand back the franchise (possibly after operating a short term management
contract).

FirstGroup’s rumoured bid is clearly opportunistic. With the exception of rail, National Express’s assets are quite attractive, although there may be some competition issues in North America and possibly the UK.

NH:
If National Express remains independent, in our view it will need to raise a significant
amount of new equity. Given the current market cap of £417m, a 1.6 for 1 rights issue at a discount of 40% would raise c£400m. We estimate that the implied post rights issue 2010E P/E would be c7.2x (compared with 9.0x for the sector). For now we see
NH:
so, you can see from the above
NH:
bids or no bids
NH:
there are going to be come cash calls in the transport sector
NH:
pretty soon
PM:
sure
11:53AM
PM:
any developments in the Anglo-Xstrata bear hug
PM:
??
NH:
not really
NH:
Anglo fought back through the Sunday press
NH:
stories about a new chairman
NH:
and plans to sell a stake in a Brazilian iron ore asset to pay down debt
NH:
on which we have a bit of analyst reaction
NH:
such as this from Merrill
NH:
Anglo American plc- BUY

- There has been some speculation that Anglo American could be looking to sell a
50% stake in its Brazilian iron ore assets for $2.5bn.

Our take:
- The$2.5bn is for an asset that they originally paid $5.5bn for, adding the
notional interest and capex, we feel it’s a little light, BUT given what has
happened to iron ore prices in the past 2 years, it looks fair on balance to us.

- Our NPV for MMx Minas Rio is negative in 2010, given up front investment and
significant capex requirements. If you take out the $5.5bn investment, then NPV
is $5.3bn, so its roughly on the money.

NH:
- LT iron ore prices: $56/t
- LT iron ore production: 53mt pa
- LT iron ore costs: $22/t

Bottom line:
This has been seen as the major stumbling block of the current management
team, if they are able to strengthen their balance sheet and remove the project
risk/capex commitments of MMX, we would view this as very positive. Approved
capex for production in 2012 was $3.6bn (26.5mtpa production)
Expect newsflow to help drive share higher today – Buy PO 2200p

NH:
And this from Liberum
NH:
Partial sale of MMX to Chinalco significant? Signs that broader talks are underway?
The Sunday Telegraph reports that Anglo was to open talks with Chinalco and a possible Middle Eastern investor (The Times this morning is reporting Dubai Natural Resources World) about a partnership to inject hundreds of millions of dollars into Anglo’s controversial Brazilian iron ore project MMX. With Anglo reportedly talking to Vale about assisting complex logistical issues facing this very large project, it is clear the company has reservations about being able to complete this project alone
NH:
Ironically, the very talks imply they have bitten off more than they can chew, and need more scale? We are not sure how successful negotiations on these assets can alone materially alter the path of the debate over Anglo itself nor form a credible standalone defence strategy. Were any of the potential partners to also be up for a broader alliance, then clearly the talks could be very significant. We would expect the board to be cautious on a tie up at group level with Chinalco given what happened at RIO. We are sceptical on a tie-up with Dubai at MMX since this would not address the project’s logistical complexities. We have already published that we feel Vale are very interested in Anglo and that the board of Anglo has a less negative bias towards them than Xstrata.
NH:
Anglo American owe the market a fuller response to Xstrata’s published letter and we would expect that as early as this week. They have a tricky path to follow as we feel their asset suite is good, but their operational track record poor. For Xstrata, we would expect them to start their process of taking their plans to shareholders imminently. We wonder if they are leaving the door open for a reconfigured deal with cash later on – with the cash either from existing or new strategic external shareholders? Either way, we would stay with Anglo as a BUY and feel Xstrata remains good value too.
PM:
Right — price wise, Anglo is off 28p at 17.75 this morning
PM:
rio also lower
PM:
off 12.5p at 20.47
11:55AM
PM:
Neil — its almost 12
PM:
i know you said there was no RAW today
PM:
but maybe???
NH:
well
NH:
there isn’t
NH:
this is the closest I have got
NH:
story going around in Elan
NH:
Irish drugs company
NH:
June 29 (Bloomberg) — Elan Corp. climbed as much as 7.2
percent in Dublin trading after the Sunday Times reported that
Novartis AG is in talks to buy part of the Irish company.

The talks revolve around the Dublin-based drugmaker’s

treatments for Alzheimer’s disease and multiple sclerosis, the
U.K. newspaper reported. An agreement is “some way off,” the
newspaper said, citing a “well-placed source.”

Elan jumped 37 cents, or 7.2 percent, to 5.44 euros as of

9:35 a.m.
Niamh Lyons, a spokeswoman for Elan, didn’t immediately
return a call seeking comment. “We don’t comment on rumors and

speculation,” Eric Althoff, a spokesman for Basel, Switzerland-
based Novartis, said by e-mail.

NH:
(Chinalco – that’s is merely the Chinese taking up their rights in the cash call. Not a uge surprise IMO)
PM:
thanks for that
11:57AM
PM:
And, to finish up…
PM:
Neil — you rang the bell with Andrew Parker this morning
PM:
Splash on the UK edition of the paper
PM:
scoop on Vodafone and Deutsche Telekom this morning
NH:
well, most of the credit should go to Andrew Parker our telecoms editor
NH:
he stood it up
NH:
but what we heard last week was that there had been a board meeting at Deutsche Telekom concerning the loss-making T-Mobile UK business
NH:
and that Voda could be interested
NH:
Now, no offers have been made and nothing is decided, but this could happen and if it does
NH:
would be pretty positive for Deutsche Telkom, which could get rid of a problem child
PM:
sure
PM:
but what does Voda get
PM:
?
NH:
big market share, cost cutting, synergies
NH:
that sort of thing
NH:
although some people reckon Voda might have to change its cash distribution policy to afford it
NH:
and there could be regulatory problems
PM:
Yes, but what percentage of the market would this give them in the UK??
NH:
40%
PM:
Well, it cant happen then
NH:
they said the same things about Lloyds and HBOS
PM:
25% rule — its the best thing about Competition policy in the uk
NH:
and the UK mkaret is hugely competitive
PM:
Its straightforward and predictable
PM:
Lloyds HBOS!!!!!
PM:
That was no precendent
NH:
look, it is all made up
PM:
cants spell
NH:
analysts think it could happen
NH:
but they always say that
PM:
got any of that comment?
NH:
yep
NH:
MF Global
NH:
John Karidis
NH:
The Financial Times reports that Vodafone is considering making an offer to acquire T-Mobile UK from

Deutsche Telekom (or, at the very least, set up a joint-venture). We think this would be good news for both parties, but especially for DT.

* Purely from a valuation perspective, this transaction would not be a material ‘needle-mover’ (T-Mobile UK is c.6% of DT group value; VOD UK is c.7% of Vodafone group value). However, we believe such a transaction
would give a strong boost to sentiment (with negative sentiment causing both stocks to trade at a greater than 50% discount to our fundamentals driven target prices, a positive boost in sentiment is likely to translate into favourable positive share price moves).

NH:
This potential transaction would support our view that large telcos can create incremental value to current valuations simply by changing their huge portfolio of assets, not just by running these assets better.

* We very much doubt the UK regulator would object to this potential transaction, which would take the UK market from five network operators to four, given that all the other big markets in Europe are served by fewer
than five network operators.

NH:
This transaction is effectively a ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’, with the experience of previous consolidation deals showing that it is the consolidator that gets the biggest share of the benefits. Consequently, we would not be surprised if these press reports and/or an announced deal flushes out FT/Orange (Neutral) or maybe
even 3 (n/r) as competing interested parties
NH:
This is from SG on the cash distribution policy
NH:

VODAFONE Sell Rating PT 110p (Current Price 116.4p)

**** IS THE SPECULATION CREDIBLE? The story could be credible for three key reasons:

**** 1) Vodafone growth is faltering as shown by two downward revisions in revenue guidance followed by the inability to provide any guidance for the current financial year. M&A is therefore the only vehicle available for growth.

NH:

**** 2) Price tag of GBP3.0/4.0bn is close to our published valuation of £2.5bn we have for T-mobile UK.

**** 3) The UK market is the most fragmented in Europe and UK regulatory hurdle for M&A could be relatively lower.

**** WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE EQUITY STORY?

NH:
**** 1) VODAFONE HAS A HISTORY OF AGGRESSIVE M&A carried out at generous multiples. Although the T-mobile’s deal may still include a generous premium, it will probably not be perceived as aggressive since it would underpin in-market consolidation rather than expansion in new markets. Any potential cost cutting strategy pledged by management is likely to be assessed against the outcome of two previous M&A deals (in Turkey and India where margins have been falling since Vodafone acquired the business) and the hurdle to execute on the cost-cutting strategy unveiled with 1H results (as shown by the acceleration in EBITDA decline recorded in 2H). Given that any new entity will have over 40% marketshare, the deal will be referred to the monopolies and mergers commission which makes the eventual outcome a lengthy and uncertain process.
NH:
**** 2) IMPACT ON VODAFONE’S FINANCIALS -BALANCE SHEET NEEEDS MONITORING – Compared to past deals, the T-mobile’s deal may look modest. However, the state of Vodafone balance sheet has deteriorated significantly over the past year. S&P calculates net debt/adjusted EBITDA to stand at 2.9X, which is above the 2.5x ratio they believe it is required for a “single A-“ rating. As a result, they downgraded company outlook last week and quoted M&A as a potential trigger for a credit downgrade. In the past, Vodafone management highlighted the importance of maintaining a single A rating. As a result, any M&A deal with ongoing pressure on revenues and profitability may LEAD TO A REVIEW OF THE CASH DISTRIBUTION POLICY.
NH:
and Citigroup
NH:
What’s New — The Fin’l Times reports that Vodafone is looking at T-Mobile UK,
(not yet a bid). This follows articles that France Telecom made an offer that DT
declined. DT wrote down this asset by €1.8bn after the recent profit warning.
Neither company has commented on the reports.

Arguments for Consolidation — Vodafone signalled (Nov’ 2008) its willingness
to participate in consolidation, as it recently did in Australia. Vodafone has a
fully mature UK business with sub-25% margins despite a 25% market share.
It might be able to acquire under distressed seller conditions.

NH:
Relative Scale And Value — We value Vodafone UK at £4.9bn and T-Mobile UK
at £3bn. Vodafone’s UK sales are 65% higher than T-Mobile’s and its EBITDA
70% higher. We forecast £1bn (V)+ £500m (T) in 2010. Service margins are
similar (24.8%, 24.1% last year) but DT’s business is shrinking faster than
Vodafone’s last reported -1.4%. No-one makes margins higher than 26% (O2).

Who Gets Synergies? — We think firmer pricing could add 5%+ to market
revenues over time – which could translate into 3-5pp of extra market margin.
All market participants benefit but only the acquiror has cost savings. Spectrum
allocation between T-Mobile and Vodafone limits cost synergies but the above
assumptions suggest that combined EBITDA could be £200-300m higher than
standalone after 3-5 years. This implies potential synergy value of >£1bn.

NH:
Approval and Regulatory Issues — On our estimates, the combined group would
have a ~40% revenue share, depending on MVNO growth. 40% is the
benchmark for regulatory hurdles and EU scrutiny would likely be intense.
However, the group could offer to sell the Virgin contract as a remedy if the
authorities feared market failure, as well as reduce tied distribution.
NH:
and finally a bit from Caz
NH:
The combination of the two businesses would create the UK’s largest mobile operator with c. 40% market share of subs. The UK represents 12% of Vodafone’s 2009 revenues but only 1% of operating profits reflecting both low margins and the contribution from Verizon Wireless. The UK market represents 3% of Deutsche Telekom’s 2009 EBITDA, 8% of Telefonica’s 2009 OIBDA and 6% of France Telecom’s 2009 EBITDA. Vodafone’s management has highlighted a strategic preference for in-country consolidation in terms of its M&A strategy. It is worth remembering that T-Mobile UK has a new management team and Deutsche Telekom have indicated that all options are being considered but that a operational turnaround was the preferred strategy.

We generally view in market consolidation as a positive move for the remaining players in that market and clearly the consolidation in a market with five players would be likely to provide a much needed easing of the competitive environment in the UK. A market where operators have historically made low returns. However, for Vodafone the benefit will be dependent on the price paid and the level of achievable synergies. It is also worth remembering that Vodafone and T-Mobile operate on differing spectrum frequency bands meaning that the synergies between the two businesses may not be as significant as they would be for two operator with very similar spectrum frequencies. Also relevant, will be T-Mobile’s network sharing arrangement with 3 in the UK, 3 has around 8% of the UK mobile market.

NH:
Vodafone valuation remains attractive
Vodafone trades at 4.2x EBITDA (sector 4.7x) with an adjusted PE of 6.7x (7.9x including all amortisation charges, sector 8.2x) and a dividend yield of 6.9% (sector 7.3%). Our estimate of £6.1bn of equity free cash flow for 2009/10 would suggest a 10.0% equity free cash flow yield. However, this excludes any US contribution. We estimate an equity free cash flow yield of 14.1% (sector 13.4%), including Vodafone’s share of Verizon Wireless’s free cash flow.
PM:
Ivve got to say Neill — this is a good story to get — but this is an example of M&A lawyers living in fantasy land
PM:
Why should the OFT and CoComp tear up however many years of anti-trust rulings — just so Voda can expland in the UK?
NH:
Look at Monty’s wise words to the left.
PM:
It’s not going to happen.
PM:
Just people looking for M&A fees
NH:
well Monty says they can’t afford it
PM:
Classic creative thinking from Montesquieu over on the right
PM:
Same thing used by the banks, say, during th dotcom era
NH:
but look this is not really a sory about Vodafone. This is about Deutsche Telkom
NH:
this could flush out more interest
PM:
TV did successfully argue that market had fragmented etc — give you that
NH:
Deutsche Tel up 2% this morning
PM:
Anyway, i will stop arguing
12:06PM
PM:
We’ve got to run
PM:
Both got separate lunches
PM:
And ive got a string of interviews all afternoon
NH:
Sam’s replacement
PM:
Seeking replacement for cast-off Sam
NH:
didn’t we set them a nasty test>
NH:
something involving Barclays?
PM:
Yes, they replies were all pretty good
PM:
Had to do an AV post based on that NY slide presentation
PM:
Mission statement: One of the world’s premier investment banks
NH:
actually a bit of a gift if you follow Alpha regularly
NH:
Taxloss
NH:
there were some other names mentioned
NH:
hang on
NH:
sorry can’t find it
NH:
there was a note
NH:
anyway
NH:
that’s it for today
NH:
Paul is already out of the door
NH:
gone
NH:
and I am following
NH:
cya
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