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Markets live transcript 22 Apr 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:09 on 22 Apr 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Paul Murphy, FT (PM)

NH:

Okay
NH:

It’s 11.03
NH:

It’s Markets Live
NH:

FT Alphaville daily markets chat
PM:

And it’s budget day in the UK
PM:

Darling’s big day. Best he’s been looking forward to this for weeks.
NH:

So exciting for the Chancellor.
PM:

Anyway, we should give a big plug to our colleagues spearheading the budget coverage on FT.com today.
PM:

In particular Robert Shrimsley, Matthew Vincent and Jamie Chisholm, who will be doing a live blog during the actual speech.
NH:

It’s in the style of Markets Live, but not quite the same software
NH:

You can log on to that here I believe
PM:

Very brave of Robert et al.
NH:

let’s hope the internet stays up
PM:

But then this live blogging thing is easy. Sure they’ll pick it up instantly.
NH:

been wobbly this morning
PM:

They’re really fast typers. They’ll be able to listen to Darling, conjure up good gags, publish them, read the news wires, read all the comments coming in live, respond to the comments
NH:

You watch. They’ll be great at it.
NH:

accurate spelling, funny gags
NH:

it might even be coherent
PM:

So you can go there after you’ve had your dose of ML
11:05AM
PM:

Er what else?
NH:

Are we having a budget competition?
PM:

We can
PM:

I still haven’t sent the prizes out for the last comp.
PM:

NH:

How about some of the forecasts?
PM:

Right – predict these
PM:

GDP growth for 2009 and 2010
PM:

PSNB for 09/10
NH:

GDP growth????
PM:

Current budget balance 08/08 and 09/10
PM:

PM:

Net debt 08/09 and 09/10
NH:

no, we want you all to guess what Darling’s estimates are
PM:

GDP growth for 2009 and 2010
PSNB for 09/10
Current budget balance 08/08 and 09/10
Net debt 08/09 and 09/10
PM:

Here’s some stuff from capital Economics on the matter
PM:

to help you get a range
PM:

GDP forecast -4% and then -1%
PM:

Yet again, the Chancellor is likely to cut his
growth forecast for 2009 to a figure in line with
the consensus, whilst still clinging on to growth
above 1% for 2010. But we continue to believe
that the recession will persist in 2010 mainly
due to weakness in the household sector.
PM:

PSNB — 90 and 200
PM:

The Chancellor will revise up the public sector
borrowing figures, probably to a peak of £175bn
in 09/10, largely on the back of a provision for
the costs of the banking interventions of up to
£60bn, and a poorer-than-expected tax take. But
even these estimates might be too rosy, given
our view on the recession’s length and severity.
PM:

Current budget balance -57 and -130
PM:

The current budget balance figures will reveal
the scale of the necessary fiscal tightening that
lies ahead. The figures are likely to show a large
deficit in 2012/13, despite the fiscal tightening
measures that will have kicked in by then.
PM:

Net debt 46.2 and 62
PM:

The Chancellor’s figures for net debt’s share of
GDP are likely to rise above 70%. Our more
negative forecasts for borrowing and growth
imply a ratio of close to 100% in 2012/3.
PM:

Those numbers are in billions of course
PM:

Wat’s the prize???
NH:

well, what about $50,000,000,000,000
PM:

whoa
NH:

i’m feeling generous today
PM:

where from
NH:

Zim dollars, of course
PM:

Of course
PM:

have you got them tho?
NH:

I have. A friend, who is a freelance hack has just returned from Zim
PM:

Oh goodness – I want one of those
NH:

he had a bag full of the notes and gave me one
NH:

not sure how much it is really worth
PM:

hey — that’s fantastic
NH:

probably buy a postage stamp
PM:

Bit small tho — for a 50 trillion note
NH:

printed on proper paper
NH:

very crisp
NH:

had a picture of three large stones on the front
NH:

and an elephant on the back
PM:

NH:

actually I might take a pick and put it up in the LR later
NH:

the securitiy stamp looks like it could be a finger
NH:

someone getting the finger
NH:

anyway. that’s the prize
NH:

results tomorrow
NH:

and the lucky winner will get $50trn
NH:

better than the national lottery
NH:

in the event of a tie, the winner will be the person who has voted for us most in the Webby’s
PM:

yes — thanks for all the votes — which have pushed us in to the lead
PM:

Another eight days to go tho
PM:

So expect some more of this
PM:

go here:

http://pv.webbyawards.com/

Register here:

http://pv.webbyawards.com/account/signup

Then go here to actually vote:

http://pv.webbyawards.com/ballot/home/1

you will have to scroll down and find the Marketplace categories – and then find “business – blog”

You then click the button next to FT Alphaville.

You can also leave a comment to encourage others and help the judges make their sharp minds up.

PM:

If you havent voted already, of course
PM:

Feel free to pass those links round your offices
NH:

and remember, win or lose Paul is buying drinks at a date to be determined
PM:

family, friends etc
NH:

pets, distant relatives
NH:

anyone will do
PM:

Note the St Ursula’s convent school greenwich are big fans of us
NH:

and Applecroft Primary
NH:

they can’t get enough
NH:

milk break at 11.00am everyday
PM:

PM:

(Monkey is right — btw)
11:17AM
PM:

better get on
PM:

We’ve already had a slew of data out this morning of course.
NH:

such as?
PM:

LONDON, April 22 (Reuters) – The number of Britons claiming jobless benefit
rose by less than expected in March, although the total in unemployment number
surged higher and government borrowing hit a record high, data showed on
Wednesday.
Official data from the Office for National Statistics showed the
claimant count rate rose by 73,700 in March, well below forecasts for a rise of
120,000.
However, the broader ILO measure, which includes those out of work but
not claiming benefits, spiked by 177,000 in the three months to February, the
biggest jump since 1991.
That pushed the level of total unemployment to its highest since early
1997, just before the Labour government took office.
British finance minister Alistair Darling is expected to announce a two
billion pound package aimed at preventing school and university leavers from
joining the dole queue and boosting services for the unemployed.
However, the government’s ability to kick-start Britain’s recession-hit
economy with further large-scale fiscal stimulus is limited by the sharp
deterioration in the public finances.
Government borrowing in the 2008/09 tax year totalled 89.958 billion
pounds, much higher than the 77.6 billion pounds forecast in the government’s
pre-budget report last November, and the highest since records began in
1946/47.
PM:

(Bundesbank –suggest you apply)
NH:

more green shoots? or the data not getting any worse
NH:

and Capital Economics were already right with their PSNB figure earlier.
PM:

90bn
PM:

Actually — chris Giles put a note round the news room earlier abotu this
PM:

PSNB fig can be misleading
PM:

Chris is economics corr
PM:

We all know they will be bad, but the true borrowing numbers are likely to be worse than the headline public sector net borrowing

WHY?

PSNB includes public corporations, which now includes the banks operating surpluses. It was worth £12bn in 2008-09.

WHAT SHOULD WE DO?

Always check “general government net borrowing” as well as “public sector net borrowing”. If there is a big difference, we need to tell readers that the underlying situation is worse. This is particularly true if we use public sector debt figures excluding financial sector interventions, the corollary is to use GGNB nor PSNB.

AND GILTS?

This is one of the main reasons why the gilt issuance will be so much higher than the headline level of borrowing

NH:

of course, we had better keep a close watch on the gilt market
NH:

what are they doing at the moment?
PM:

Fell on the data earlier, but not dramatically so
PM:

sterling also weakened
PM:

Cable at 1.4583
PM:

10 gilt yields at 3.35
NH:

Stocks up, of course – celebrating the rise in unemployment etc. – and the fact that britain’s broke
NH:

Stocks up, of course – celebrating the rise in unemployment etc. – and the fact that britain’s broke
11:20AM
NH:

FTSE 100 is up 26 points at 4,013
NH:

the rally lives on! Ken Lewis has not killed it after all
NH:

green shoots everywhere
NH:

did you see the Goldman note on China
PM:

Well I saw you post on the matter
NH:

GS going very bullish on China
NH:

for those of you who missed the note
NH:

here’s the front page
NH:

We have raised our real GDP growth forecasts for 2009 and 2010 given that 1)
policy stimulus has been more aggressive and 2) the domestic demand
response has been stronger and has occurred earlier than we originally
forecasted.
Our new forecasts predict real GDP growth of 8.3% in 2009 (versus 6.0%
previously) and more importantly, to reach 10.9% in 2010 (up from 9.0%),
significantly above consensus.
NH:

We expect above-trend growth in 2010 to be largely driven by stronger
investment growth, especially from private investment.
In addition, we expect policymakers to eventually normalize and shift away
from aggressive policy loosening, but only when they are more assured of a
stabilization in domestic unemployment and external demand. This would give
additional insurance to the growth trajectory we foresee
NH:

Aggressive policy easing and better-than-expected results from the stimulus have made a
stronger case for China’s growth re-rating. Since the announcement of the Rmb4 trillion fiscal
stimulus package last November, policymakers in China have been pushing the envelope on
policy easing in only one direction—for more and more. The pace of implementation of new
infrastructure investment and the scale of domestic credit expansion have been unprecedented.
However, as we have long argued, one should probably discount some of the official statistics for
quality/seasonality reasons, especially in any one particular data series. We believe the message
from the aggregate macro data along with other anecdotal evidence, such as domestic commodity
demand, is clear: the aggressive policy stimulus has been working
NH:

We acknowledge that policy stimulus has been more determined and persistent and the
response from domestic demand has come in earlier and more strongly than we envisaged
previously. The strong rebound in fixed asset investment (FAI) growth which started in January-
February strengthened even further in March. This was partly as a result of rushed orders to
implement investment projects and aggressive easing in financial conditions. As previously
discussed, the newly released 1Q2009 GDP and March activity data surprised us on the upside
both in sequential and year-on-year terms (see Stronger-than-expected activity growth; rising
upside risks to our GDP forecasts, China Views, April 16). This is despite the fact that our
previous set of GDP forecasts had already incorporated a significant growth rebound in 1Q2009
and further additional strengthening in growth momentum for the rest of the year.
NH:

8% growth this year
PM:

Very interesting
NH:

China stimulus working
PM:

Comand economy of course — policy levers work there
PM:

Remember even four years ago when i was there — they used to turn off the electricty at the factory and send everyone out shopping
PM:

brilliant
PM:

Brown and Darling could try it
PM:

Go and shop
PM:

people
11:24AM
NH:

pi-eyed trader is askiing about the banks
NH:

and they are all up again
NH:

in spite of the IMF report
NH:

which the Treasury through its normal chanels had tried to rubbish
NH:

just goes to show they don’t need McBride to do it
PM:

Classic treasury/fsa spin operation on the IMF report
PM:

fact is — you should go and read the underlying IMF report
PM:

It is a frighteningly believable doc
NH:

anyway, our banks are up
PM:

Why are the banks up?????
PM:

NH:

Geithner saying they’re all fine?
NH:

mind you that’s based on the stress free test
NH:

Have you looked at the assumptions underpinning the US stress test
PM:

I think it’s just mad
PM:

They are just matching OECD forecasts as the supposed worst case senario
PM:

It is genuinely the case that there is no stress at all
PM:

They are testing the banks for the current envionrment
PM:

Actually, did you see that AP piece earlier?
NH:

no , but I thought James Montier summed it up well the other day
NH:

Secondly, the US stress test on banks looks like a farce. Albert lampooned the UK
version recently, but compared to the US assumptions, the FSA looks like a sadistic
dominatrix. The US version can only be described as a stress-less test!
NH:

Recently, Albert Edwards lampooned the FSA’s stress testing of the UK banks. However, by
comparison with the US efforts, the FSA looks like a sadistic dominatrix. The UK test
apparently assumed a peak-to-trough decline in GDP of around 6% much like that seen in the
early 1980s (although the actual parameters have not been disclosed).
The table below shows the assumptions of the US stress test, under both the base case and
the adverse case. For comparison I’ve shown the situation as of today (based on the last six
months data annualized). The adverse case looks like a pretty good description of where we
are today. Thus if any of the banks fail the stress test, they are clearly insolvent today, let
alone in a six months or a years time. Not so much a stress test, as a stress less test.
PM:

hmm
PM:

here’s the AP stuff
PM:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The government is giving Wall Street banks a helping hand. But this time it’s not a handout.

The federal bank “stress tests” rate the individual loans held by big regional banks as riskier than the complex troubled assets held by the industry titans, according to a Federal Reserve document obtained by The Associated Press.

That approach could threaten some major regional banks while making the national banks appear in better shape when the government releases the results of the tests next month.

Regulators are administering the tests to 19 large financial firms to determine which banks are healthy, which need more help and which might fail if the recession worsens.

Under one scenario, the tests assume banks will see “no further losses” on the complex securities, according to the document obtained by AP. By contrast, it estimates that individual loans will lose up to 20 percent of their value.

Regional banks are holding more individual loans and fewer of the securities Wall Street giants specialize in — complex derivatives backed by huge pools of mortgage-backed loans and other debt.

Analysts say regulators are probably favoring the largest banks because if even one failed, it would pose a grave financial risk. Banks that deal in securities are more connected to other corners of the global financial system.

PM:

Regulators also face pressure to highlight the weaknesses of some banks. Otherwise, critics will dismiss the tests as a whitewash. That could undermine one aim of the tests — restoring confidence in the banking system.

The approach spelled out in the Fed document “certainly penalizes those banks that are more involved in traditional banking, which frankly have been performing better in recent months,” said Wayne Abernathy, a former Treasury Department official now with the American Bankers Association.

He said banks’ loan portfolios have lost only about 5 percent of their value so far, while the values of complex securities are down 30 to 40 percent.

The securities are held mostly by banking titans like Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs. Their value is based on the performance of vast pools of underlying loans.

As defaults on the underlying loans spiked last year, investors lost confidence in the value of the assets. Individual loans have lost less value because their prices are tied more closely to actual defaults.

A Treasury Department spokesman referred questions to the Fed. A spokesman for the Federal Reserve declined comment.

PM:

(thank you rossfromcross!)
NH:

now, have you seen this wildly bullish note on Lloyds out today from UBS
NH:

by John-Paul Crutchley
PM:

No i hvaent’
PM:

havent even
PM:

got a copy?
NH:

reckons they are worth 120p on a cum subscription basis
PM:

Someone below was aksing why Lloyds tanked at the clsoe yesterday
PM:

120p eh?
NH:

here’s the note
NH:

Fully recapitalised …
In our view, Lloyds is one of the few European banks that can say with certainty
that they are fully recapitalised. Others may be able to avoid issuing stock but this
conclusion is far from being a certainty elsewhere.
NH:

And better positioned
As well as having been recapitalised and de-risked through its involvement in the
UK Asset Protection Scheme, Lloyds has, in our view, a balance sheet structure
which affords more protection than most from structural margin pressures resulting
the current interest rate environment. An excess of lending over customer deposits
and the greater exposure to UK mortgages than peers, one of the fastest repricing
asset classes globally means Lloyds is differentiated relative to other banks.
NH:

UK Government ownership capped below 50% for now
The UK Government owns 43% of Lloyds and given the share price is materially
above the proposed 38.43p issuance/underwriting price for equity to replace the
preference shares, this level will not rise until conversion of “B” shares.
NH:

Valuation update
“A Different Proposition” dated 17 March concluded that a valuation of
100p/share was undemanding for Lloyds. We valued Lloyds by discounting 2012
normalised earnings of 16p valued at 9x less 10p/share for the net post-tax cost of
the APS, giving 110p/share. As such we adopted a 100p price target on the shares.
At that time, there was only modest value in the option to subscribe for new shares
at 38.43p. This is no longer true. Discounting our 100p price target by 10% to 90p
for timing uncertainty but moving to a “ex” subscription basis implies a revised
price target of 120p on a “cum” subscription basis. This is our new price target.
Cracking little software shop who built FT Alphaville
NH:

so this Lloyds note
NH:

pricing in the fact that taxpayers have been taken for a ride with this bailout.
NH:

Shareholders should have been wiped out – instead we got a load of dodgy B shares.
PM:

Indeed
PM:

Shareholders should have been wiped out – instead we got a load of dodgy B shares.
11:34AM
PM:

We should move on to the retailers
PM:

this short retailers trade is not going so well is it
PM:

Draaisma at MOST was pushing the line earlier in the week
PM:

on the grounds the rally had gone too far too fast
PM:

and this morning…
Kingfisher (KGF:LSE): Last: 170.70, up 8 (+4.92%), High: 174.70, Low: 162.70, Volume: 15.80m
Next (NXT:LSE): Last: 1,425, up 88 (+6.58%), High: 1,430, Low: 1,344, Volume: 2.66m
DSG International (DSGI:LSE): Last: 35.00, up 2.75 (+8.53%), High: 36.25, Low: 32.75, Volume: 2.35m
Kesa Electricals (KESA:LSE): Last: 123.50, up 11.75 (+10.51%), High: 126.00, Low: 113.75, Volume: 2.60m
Game Group (GMG:LSE): Last: 192.75, up 28.75 (+17.53%), High: 193.25, Low: 170.00, Volume: 4.60m
Marks and Spencer Group (MKS:LSE): Last: 324.50, up 13 (+4.17%), High: 324.50, Low: 313.75, Volume: 4.08m
NH:

yeah, the dash for trash continues
NH:

but I note Game Group have had results
NH:

figures beat expectations and recent trading is pretty good
NH:

same stores sales down 6.3% in the 11 weeks to April 18
NH:

now, that was a little ahead of expectations
NH:

analysts were looking for 10% fall
NH:

the comparatives last year were really tough
PM:

i see
NH:

and gross margins improved
NH:

and the company has increased its dividend by 25% to 5.5p
PM:

so people are staying and playing on their Wii’s then
NH:

it would seem that way
NH:

doubtless that is what the company will say
NH:

however, none of this should detract from the longer term issues Game faces
PM:

what downloads??
NH:

yeah, could go the way of Zavvi
PM:

ah
NH:

in fact this point was picked up by Altium Securities this morning
NH:

in their comment on the results
NH:

Short-term positive factors GMG ended FY 2009 with net cash of £81.4m. That
provides a degree of comfort in its own right and also underpins the dividend yield of
3.4%. While we retain concerns about the outlook for retail sales at a time of rising
unemployment, there ought to be some offsetting benefit from the collapse of Zavvi
and Woolworths. The news on gross margin is clearly positive.
NH:

Longer-term concerns We believe that entertainment products will progressively
migrate to the online channel, both as physical product and as downloads. At that
stage, a store network will become a liability rather than an asset. GMG will need to
manage a reduction in its estate rather than the increase it is currently pursuing in
international markets. One can exaggerate the short-term threat from the likes of
OnLive, which faces commercial as well as technical challenges.

Nevertheless, we expect services like that to become a major part of the market in the longer term. GMG is aware of the threat and is developing its online presence. The question remains: will it be able to secure the market share in the online world that it has built offline?

NH:

Upgrade to BUY The share price has fallen in the past few days to the extent that
there is now c.11% headroom to our target price, triggering an automatic upgrade in
our recommendation from HOLD to BUY. That will be subject to review following the results presentation when we update our forecasts.
PM:

so it has some cash to play with and fund the move online
NH:

yeah
PM:

ok
PM:

that’s all very interesting but does not answer why the retail sector is up
PM:

I mean things aren’t moving up on the back of the Game results are they??
NH:

nope
NH:

think the real reason
NH:

is a push from Citigroup
NH:

they called the bear market rally in the retailers pretty much spot on
NH:

and are fighting the temptation to bank some profits
NH:

with another big and very bullish note
NH:

in which Next, Signet and Sports Direct are raised to buy
PM:

Sports Direct a buy??
PM:

NH:

err yes, that’s a pretty brave call
PM:

that’s something of an understatement
NH:

and if you think that is a brave call you should have a look at the rest of the note
PM:

go on
NH:

well, analyst Richard Edwards reckons earnings forecasts are at risk
NH:

risk of upgrades for the first time in 24 months
NH:

apparently
PM:

what
PM:

I know forecasts have come down
PM:

but have earnings really bottomed?
NH:

not sure
PM:

and I don’t see where the spending is going to come from
NH:

Edwards reckons household cashflow is improving because of lower mortgage payments, oil prices etc
NH:

and that will help the retailers
NH:

here’s the note
NH:

decide for yourself
NH:

titled “Relight my Fire”
NH:

: Household Available Cash – Timing of a potential recovery
For the first time in 24 months, our UK demand forecasts have upside risk.
Until now, with macro conditions progressively deteriorating, we have argued
that weak comparatives will have little traction with a heavily-indebted
consumer, a declining housing market, rising unemployment and therefore
sharply negative consumer confidence trends. However, as we progress
through 2009, the following factors could drive upside risk to forecasts:
NH:

1. Our BRC-derived Non-Food LFL suggests that during the 1Q of 2009, the
two-year Non-Food LFL has improved to -6.0% (from -8.6%, Q408). As the
comparatives ease during each quarter of 2009, a continuation of the -6%
two-year LFL over 2009 argues for a return to positive LFL during the 2H
2009 (Figure 10).
NH:

Proprietary Household Cashflow analysis argues for improving UK LFL through each quarter of 2009, recovering further in 2010 — With capacity withdrawal, a
fading space contribution and weakening comparatives, this also suggests a return
to stable sector LFL through the 2H of 2009 and into 2010.

2009 UK sector LFL forecast raised +250bp to -4%; 2009E EPS raised +21% —
On the back of this macro analysis, we increase our 2009E LFL +250bp to
-4% (split 1H -4.4%; 2H -2.7%). This increases our UK sector EPS forecast by
+21% to +9% above consensus (2009E sector EPS -15.3% year on year).

3 Hold ratings raised to Buy (Next, Signet and Sports Direct); target prices raised on 12 stocks (see below) — underpinned by the sector’s 20% EV/EBIT discount to its long-run average. We now have 10 Buy and 4 Hold ratings across our UK coverage universe, representing an Overweight sector stance.

PM:

thanks for that
11:43AM
PM:

what else should we have a look at?
PM:

what about this LVMH story you had in the paper this morning
PM:

seems to have been denied
PM:

PM:

here are the wire snaps – just to make you feel uncomfortable
PM:

*LVMH CFO SAYS KEEPING EYE ON MARKET OPPORTUNITIES
*LVMH CFO SAYS `SOME COMPANIES MIGHT CONSOLIDATE’ :MC FP, RM
*LVMH CFO SAYS COMPANY HAS NO SPECIFIC ACQUISITION TARGET
*LVMH CFO SAYS DIAGEO/MOET REPORTS `PURELY A MARKET RUMOR’
*LVMH SAYS NO TALKS ONGOING ABOUT SALE OF MOT HENNESSY
NH:

hmmmm
NH:

what I would say is that out story was pretty nuanced
PM:

which you can find here
NH:

in as much as there are no talks at the moment, LVMH has not decided that it wants to sell
NH:

and this is a very good business, with some fantastic brands and some very high margins
NH:

but it has indicated a willingness to do so
NH:

because it is possible in the future that it might want to make an acquisition in fashion
NH:

but this is all hypothetical
NH:

there are no talks at the moment
PM:

ok
PM:

sounds like Sunday newspaper story
NH:

er, suppose it does
NH:

but anyway
NH:

Diageo would love to buy this business
NH:

and given the rude health of the corporate bond market at the moment
NH:

could probably fund it
NH:

whether the drinks biz would go for EUR12bn I don’t know
NH:

although Cazenove thinks it could
NH:

here’s their reaction to the story this morning
PM:

note, the Daily Telegraph was also carrying a story on this today
PM:

Harder version — so presumably more wrong
NH:

NH:

this is the note
NH:

pretty detailed
NH:

but worth a read if you are interested in the drinks industry
NH:

According to this morning’s FT, “LVMH has indicated it may be willing to sell some or all of its two-thirds stake in Moet Hennessy, its wine and spirits business, to partner Diageo”. With the Telegraph reporting a similar story, this looks well-sourced. Encouragingly for Diageo’s prospects of completing the deal, the FT claims that it was Moet Hennessy (MH) that approached Diageo. However, the FT also reports that LVMH “has not yet decided whether it definitely wants to part with the asset”.
NH:

We would see this as an excellent strategic acquisition for Diageo. It would fill the last major gap in its portfolio through the acquisition of (by far) the leading brand in the Cognac category (namely Hennessy).

It is true that this brand, and the rest of the MH portfolio of luxury spirits and Champagne brands (such as Belvedere vodka, Glenmorangie Scotch whisky and Moet Champagne), are already one third owned by Diageo. Moreover, the two companies already have a loose distribution alliance, the extent of which varies market by market. But this acquisition would increase Diageo’s economic interest in the attractive Cognac category, allow it to consolidate MH’s cashflows (it currently only receives a dividend), and bring MH’s brands fully within its global distribution network.

NH:

This latter point would generate some cost savings, although Diageo would be careful to maintain MH’s clear focus on the luxury end of the spirits market. We guess that much of LVMH’s sales force would be retained, and perhaps integrated with Diageo’s luxury brands business, the Reserve Brands division. This deal would therefore be more about investing in an attractive segment, widening Diageo’s portfolio, and cleaning up its corporate structure rather than material cost synergies. There may be some scope for revenue synergies by increasing MH’s availability in certain markets and channels via Diageo’s global distribution network
NH:

One obvious question is why would LVMH choose to sell this business now? The FT suggests that it would be to increase LVMH’s financial capacity to make acquisitions “in the fashion side of its business” with companies such as Hermes and Gucci mentioned as possible targets.

The timing of the deal could therefore be excellent for both parties, increasing the likelihood of it going ahead. LVMH would get a good price for a business that has held up relatively well in the recession, and the ability to reinvest the proceeds in areas where valuations have been harder-hit by the downturn. Diageo would strengthen its position in the luxury end of the spirits business market near the bottom of the economic cycle, thus leaving itself well placed to benefit from a return to trading up as the world economy recovers.

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Valuation
The value of MH as a whole is put at “up to nearly 3 times” sales by the FT. With sales having been E3.13bn (£2.76bn) in 2008, this implies a value of up to E9.4bn (£8.3bn). Of course, with Diageo already owning 34% of MH, the cost to it would be “only” E6.2bn (£5.5bn) on this basis.

The Telegraph puts the value of MH at E12bn (£10.6bn). On this basis the deal would cost Diageo £7bn.

We suspect that the actual number could be even higher. MH makes very high (34%) EBIT margins, even by the standards of the spirits industry. Its 2008 EBIT was therefore E1,060m, implying a CAMP (contribution after marketing and promotion) of c.E1.6bn. With previous deals in the spirits industry being struck at CAMP

NH:

multiples of 10-14x, this implies a valuation of E16-22bn (£14-20bn). The cost to Diageo would therefore be £9.2bn – £13.2bn on this basis.

With the savings from this deal likely to be far lower than in previous deals due to the existing distribution overlap, and with only one realistic buyer for the business, we do not expect the valuation to be as high as this. But, as with previous deals, we believe that the price would surprise the market on the upside.

NH:

Funding
The Telegraph reports that Diageo would pay with “all cash, supported by a potential capital raising”. Diageo currently has net debt/EBITDA of 2.5x, and net debt of £7.9bn within a total EV of £27.6bn (both FY2009E numbers), both of which are relatively low by industry standards. We therefore believe that Diageo would look to fund a significant proportion of the deal through debt. We therefore (very provisionally) estimate the size of the likely rights issue at c.50% of the price paid (so £2.75bn on the FT valuation, £3.5bn on the Telegraph valuation, and £4.6bn at the lower end of our hypothetical valuation range based on previous deal multiples).
NH:

here’s some more comment
NH:

this is from Natixis
NH:

According to the Financial Times and the Telegraph, Diageo is looking into buying the 2/3
of Moët Hennessy that it does not own. The group has held this stake since 1994. The FT
indicates that LVMH and Diageo are currently involved in informal talks but this information
has been denied by LVMH.
We note that Diageo owns 33.3% of MH along with a put, with an exercise price that is not
very favourable for Diageo, corresponding to 80% of the fair value of the stake i.e. €2.9bn
at 31 December 2008 on the LVMH balance sheet or €10.9bn for 100% at fair value.
There is a 6-month notice period for the put.
NH:

The FT mentions a price of €9bn while the Telegraph estimates the price at €11bn. Our
valuation of the 66% held by LVMH in our SOP model comes to €6.6bn, based on average
EV/EBIT multiples in the beverages sector over 2008/2011e (10x on average), or around
€10bn for 100%, close to the fair value of the put. In the event of a transaction, a high
premium is likely: at 15x 2009 EV/EVIT, the price would come to €14.6bn for 100% of MH.
We have adopted a cautious stance on these rumours, which come just ahead of LVMH’s
Q1 09 sales report this evening after trading, although they do include some detailed
PM:

Far enough
PM:

SoS — Pearson sold Ch LaTour about 20 years ago. I worked at the Banker mag then and we all go a chance to buy some cheap. I could only afford the sixth wine or something, very nice tho.
Pearson plc is the parent company of the Financial Times, publisher of FT Alphaville.
NH:

LVMH off 5% at the moment
11:48AM
PM:

any RAW for the readers?
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH:

well, there is one bit
NH:

but there’s something else first
NH:

some old RAW
NH:

remember our Roche/Genetech bid story
PM:

how could I forget
PM:

caused a real stir that one
NH:

yes it did
NH:

well, one of the reasons Roche wanted to buy out the chunk of the company it did not already own was Avastin
PM:

the cancer drug
NH:

yep
NH:

and there were trial results due in the Spring from a trial of the drug on colon cancer
NH:

and guess what
PM:

it has failed
NH:

yep
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did not meet its primary end point
NH:

Phase III C-08 study of Avastin in early-stage colon cancer does not meet primary endpoint
Roche and Genentech remain committed to Avastin adjuvant programs
Roche today announced the results of the first phase III trial evaluating the use of Avastin (bevacizumab) plus chemotherapy (FOLFOX) for the treatment of colon cancer immediately following surgery (adjuvant therapy) compared to chemotherapy alone. The study, known as NSABP
C-08, did not meet its primary endpoint of lowering the risk of the cancer returning (disease-free survival). This is the first trial of Avastin in early-stage cancer and results do not affect approved indications in advanced (metastatic) disease.
Safety findings were consistent with those presented from this study at the 2008 American Society of Clinical Oncology (ASCO) annual meeting (Allegra et al.)
PM:

ouch
PM:

now I imagine that had not gone down very well
NH:

er no
NH:

Roche off 8.3% at CHF140 this morning
NH:

been as low as 135.80
PM:

So, Roche have bought a pup
NH:

well, not sure I would go that far
NH:

but this is a pretty big blow
NH:

this extension of Avastin was supposed to be the key growtg driver for Genentech
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and it has failed
PM:

what did they pay for the stake in Genentech
NH:

47bn for the 44% it did not own
NH:

still it has always got the synergies
PM:

PM:

any comment on this?
NH:

yep a few bits
NH:

this is from Merrill Lynch
NH:

they say buy on weakness
NH:

Roche announced that the C-08 study investigating Avastin in adjuvant cancer
failed to meet its primary endpoint. While disappointing, we had been cautious on
the chance of success and had included no sales for adjuvant in forecasts. Our
2014E Avastin forecast of CHF9.8bn is therefore unchanged as is our CHF190
PO. We would use any share price weakness on news to Buy given Roche’s
attractive valuation, expected upcoming guidance upgrade and other pipeline
catalysts.
NH:

and here’s Collins Stewart
NH:

Avastin’s key first adjuvant data is negative, calling into serious question any value in adjuvant use, and likely to reduce our NPV from CHF158 to near CHF150 (we will clarify this later). Given our lower NPV we have reduced our recommendation from Buy to Hold. Adjuvant use was a key potential growth driver for Avastin, and Roche as a whole. As ever this trial had a binary outcome – though, as we have noted, market expectations for adjuvant upside appeared to have been running ahead of company expectations. Expect a significant negative price reaction today. This major disappointment comes after (1) poor Q1 sales mix, and (2) greater risks for taspoglutide (our NPV CHF5/share) following a mixed Adcom for a similar competitor product (liraglutide from Novo).
Should not impact existing Avastin franchise
Avastin adjuvant colorectal cancer C08 trial failed to meet its primary endpoint (disease-free survival). Avastin as a whole is worth CHF65/share in our group NPV, with total adjuvant use (also including breast and lung cancer) worth around CHF7. Given this data it is fair to remove most or all of that potential adjuvant value. This data should not significantly impact Avastin’s current franchise. The adjuvant trial reported today was the first Phase III trial using of Avastin plus chemotherapy (FOLFOX) to treat colon cancer immediately following surgery (adjuvant therapy) compared to chemotherapy alone.
NH:

and Morgan Stanley
NH:

: Conclusion: Today’s initial negative reaction to the
failure of the C-08 adjuvant Avastin trial is much as we
anticipated (When SFr10bn Is Not Enough, March 5,
2009), given that Roche closed yesterday at a c.36%
premium to the EU sector multiple. Consistent with our
long-term view, we believe that this creates buying
opportunities for investors to enter the stock at attractive
valuations. We therefore reiterate our Overweight rating.
The stock is trading 27% below our SFr189 intrinsic
value. We ascribed only a 40% probability of success
for C-08. Value from other adjuvant indications rightly
remains a free call option. We believe that the outlook
for phase III data in metastatic ovarian and prostate
cancers could provide meaningful upside to consensus
in 2H09.
NH:

What’s new: The NASBP C-08 trial of Avastin in
adjuvant colorectal cancer failed to meet its primary
endpoint. The key issues are:
1) Risk to in-market Avastin revenues. Erbitux
and Vectibix in the metastatic setting with COIN
and PRIME data are to be presented at ASCO
in May/June 2009. We see limited impact on
Avastin usage from these EGFR agents.
2) Pricing pressure on Avastin post C-08. While
bears would cite increased vulnerability to
pushback from payors, we believe that
significant price reductions in EU are unlikely
and already priced into the stock. US usage
warrants continued scrutiny.
What’s next: Avastin data in metastatic ovarian and
prostate cancer (2H09) with up to $2bn/annum upside.
PM:

thanks for that
11:53AM
PM:

do we have any real RAW??
NH:

er, yes we do
NH:

but we will have to go state side I am afraid
NH:

company called Textron
PM:

not heard of that
NH:

best known as the maker of Censna aircraft
NH:

and Bell Helicopters
NH:

and missiles
PM:

ok
NH:

a few weeks back the stock went through the roof on the back of a story in Kuwati press
NH:

that a consortium was poised to offer $21 a share
NH:

that would have valued the company at over $20bn
NH:

here’s the Reuters pick up of that story
NH:

BOSTON, April 9 (Reuters) – Textron Inc shares were up 47 percent after a Kuwaiti newspaper reported that a consortium of Middle Eastern companies was closing in on a deal to buy the diversified U.S. manufacturer.

Al-Watan newspaper said in an unsourced report that a United Arab Emirates-Kuwait consortium was close to securing a deal to buy the world’s largest maker of business jets, offering $21 a share. It did not identify the companies.

The New York Stock Exchange said in a statement it had asked Textron to “issue a public statement indicating whether there are any corporate developments which may explain the unusual activity” but that the company said its policy is not to comment on market rumors.

NH:

A Textron spokeswoman also declined to comment to Reuters.
The report comes in a week when Textron’s beaten-down shares have climbed roughly 80 percent, a rally that started on Monday amid speculation that Lockheed Martin Co , the world’s No. 1 defense contractor, or its smaller rival Raytheon Co were possible buyers for the company.

Lockheed and Raytheon officials on Monday declined to comment on those reports.

“Compared with earlier press speculation that has focused on large defense contractors as potential acquirers of Textron, the interest from a Middle East consortium would appear to make more sense,” Macquarie Capital analyst Robert Stallard wrote in a note to clients.

NH:

The Middle East is an important growth market for business jets where Textron’s Cessna brand is well known, he said.

Textron shares were up $4.31 to $13.42 in afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange. Over the past year, they have fallen 84 percent, a steeper drop than the 55 percent decline in the Standard & Poor’s capital goods industry index < .GSPIC>.

Given the pounding of the shares, management might have a hard time resisting serious takeover bids, an analyst wrote.

“Given the legacy of execution issues at Textron, high investor dissatisfaction with recent company performance and continued liquidity uncertainty, a legitimate takeover attempt will be hard to resist,” wrote Citigroup analyst Jeffrey Sprague, in a note to clients.

According to the newspaper report, the consortium of buyers would plan to sell off Textron’s military businesses — Bell helicopter and Textron Systems, which makes armored vehicles. That could help to alleviate the national security concerns that could be triggered if a foreign buyer tried to buy a U.S. defense contractor

NH:

Another question facing any potential bidder for all of Textron would be what to do with its troubled finance arm, which lost money last year. The Providence, Rhode Island-based company is dramatically scaling back that operation to focus on financing products it manufactures.
“A more obvious reason we do not believe any company would be interested in acquiring Textron is Textron Financial, which over the last year or so has been the primary cause of value destruction at the company, in our view, and remains a significant question mark for investors,” Susquehanna Financial Group analyst Stephen Velgot wrote in a note to clients.
In February, Textron Chief Executive Lewis Campbell said the company would consider selling one of its core units if it needed to do so to protect cash flow, though he argued it would be unlikely that it would need to make such a drastic move.
In March, the president of United Technologies Corp’s Sikorsky helicopter unit said it would be “an interesting hypothesis” for his business to take over Textron’s helicopter arm.
PM:

so perennial takeover target
NH:

yep, it is
NH:

but what’s new is this
NH:

from a very, very good bandit
PM:

rating??
NH:

PM:

PM:

crikey
NH:

well, perhaps
NH:

says the talks are off
PM:

oh
NH:

the consortium, which features the UEA-Kuwait group buying the Cesna business and Bell – and Lockheed martin buying the missiles – and an private company acquiring what’s left
NH:

have walked away after a month of DD
NH:

at the company’s HQ in Rhode Island
PM:

why have they walked
NH:

I think it is all to do with current trading
NH:

advisers to the consortium have told them, I understand, not to go ahead with the deal
NH:

on top of that
NH:

Textron has some contract with the Israeli govt
NH:

Actually it may be more of an outsourcing deal
NH:

and they objected to the deal
PM:

hmm
PM:

and I can quite believe that the market for Cesna is not too hot at the moment
NH:

anyway, bandit 1 thinks Al-watan could reveal that talks have collapsed today or tomorrow
PM:

Sounds like it was always a tricky deal to pull off
PM:

where are the shares trading??
NH:

they closed at $11 last night
NH:

but pre-bid speculation they were around $7
NH:

the stock would take a pounding if the talks collapse
NH:

but this is pretty good RAW
NH:

here’s a couple of notes on Textron
NH:

on the recent bid rumours and they explain why the shares have not traded anywhere close to the mooted offer price of $21
NH:

Recent news reports of a
possible offer from a UAE consortium begin to
re-balance the risk/reward trade-off for TXT. Deal
speculation could prolong the recent rally, with
meaningful downside risk remaining if takeover interest
wanes heading into April earnings where TFC results
likely remain a concern. TXT still faces significant
questions around 2010 liquidity related to the unwinding
of its TFC portfolio. If deal speculation subsides, market
focus likely will again shift to TFC and once again weigh
upon the stock. The story was initially reported in
Al-Watan, a Kuwaiti newspaper, last Thursday, and was
subsequently reported by the Financial Times and the
Wall Street Journal. Textron has not commented.
NH:

What’s new: In our view, full acquisition of TXT by a
foreign entity would not be allowed given TXT’s
participation in critical defense technologies, most
meaningfully helicopters. Any potential UAE consortium
takeover will most likely require a U.S. partner, with the
largest U.S. defense primes all capable of acquiring
TXT’s defense businesses, either in parts or as a whole.
Under this scenario, we do not foresee HSR concerns
regarding a U.S. acquisition of TXT Systems and other
defense components of the TXT portfolio.
Investment thesis: Short-term deal speculation could
continue to drive the stock; however if M&A speculation
subsides, market focus will shift to first quarter results
and the status of the TFC unwind.
NH:

that was Morgan Stanley
NH:

and this is Citi
NH:

Reports of Takeover Bid — The Al Watan newspaper in Kuwait reported this
morning (in a story also repeated by French news agency AFP and Bloomberg)
that a consortium of United Arab Emirates companies and a Kuwaiti firm are
planning an offer to purchase Textron for $21 per share ($5.07 billion), a
130.5% premium to yesterday’s closing price. This offer represents 5.3x
2009E EBITDA and .43x sales.
NH:

Deal Would Likely Break-up Company — Al Watan reports the UAE consortium
is specifically interested in Textron’s “civil industries”, which we believe would
primarily target Cessna. The defense operations would reportedly be sold to a
US company. This type of scenario would likely solve one of the key problems
in realizing TXT’s full value, namely that TXT has many pieces which would fit
well with other companies, but all of TXT does not fit well with any one
company. Clearly the US government would not let Bell or Systems fall into
foreign hands, in our view. However, it does seem possible that a deal could
be struck to carve out these pieces until a US bidder emerged. UTX and
Boeing would have high interest in Bell, in our view, and Systems could attract
numerous Defense bidders. We suspect this investor group would also look to
sell non core Industrial assets and liquidate TFC.
NH:

Worst Case Sum of the Parts Suggests $15, Higher Upside Possible — Our
worst case scenario suggests Textron’s portfolio is worth a minimum of $15 per
share using current depressed valuations. The valuation is complicated by
uncertainty over the true long term losses at TFC. However, looking at the
quality and strategic value of TXT’s aero and defense assets, we do think a
price north of $20 is supportable if buyers are taking a more normalized view.
 Deal Overtures Will Be Hard To Resist — Given the legacy of execution issues
at TXT, high investor dissatisfaction with recent company performance and
continued liquidity uncertainty, a legitimate takeover attempt will be hard to
resist. Our thesis has been that the wreckage in the stock would create its own
catalysts and that now seems to be happening. We maintain our Buy rating,
but if the stock moves into the high teens we could become more cautious.
11:59AM
NH:

done with that
NH:

and it is now midday
NH:

anything to finish up on
NH:

before we go and watch the Budget
PM:

How about Carphone — mentioned below
PM:

Noted that we thought it had gone ex-growth
PM:

The CEO saying he thinks the out look is great tho
PM:

NH:

I will come back to that in a moment, in the meantime
NH:

here’s the snaps from the GSK results
PM:

Demerger etc
NH:

RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE SAYS Q1 TURNOVER 6,769 MLN STG (REUTERS CONSENSUS MEAN WAS 6,752 MLN STG)
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC – DELIVERS Q1 EPS OF 26.3P BEFORE MAJOR RESTRUCTURING
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE SAYS Q1 EPS BEFORE MAJOR RESTRUCTURING COSTS 26.3P (REUTERS CONSENSUS MEAN WAS 28.4 P)
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC – INCREASED DIVIDEND OF 14P
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC – Q1 SERETIDE/ADVAIR SALES WERE LEVEL AT £1.2 BILLION
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC – Q1 PROFIT PERFORMANCE ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY GROSS MARGIN DECLINE DUE TO US GENERIC COMPETITION
12:00 22Apr09 RTRS-GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC – TERMINATING ROSIGLITAZONE XR STUDY IN ALZHEIMER’S, MOVING MAGE-A3 INTO PHASE III STUDY FOR MELANOMA
PM:

Glaxo stock pinging about a bit on that
PM:

Currently down 15 at 10.30 or so
PM:

rallying strongly
PM:

Trig to rally on thsoe numbers
PM:

How abotu carphone?
NH:

on Carphone, results in line
NH:

but what has held the stock price up is
NH:

better than expected performance at TalkTalk UK in terms of subscriber growth and a better than expected performance at Best Buy Europe in terms of connections
NH:

no one is downgrading as a result
NH:

net debt came in slightly lower than expected too
NH:

here’s a quick bit of comment from Caz
NH:

Q4 trading statement, KPIs better than expected, guidance largely unchanged
Carphone Warehouse’s Q4 trading statement indicates that EPS for FY2009E and FY2010E will be broadly in line with expectations although the statement indicates that the company has achieved a better than expected performance at TalkTalk UK in terms of subscriber growth and a better than expected performance at Best Buy Europe in terms of connections albeit with a weaker performance in contract connections. We anticipate making no material changes to P&L our estimates, although we may upgrade our cashflow expectations. On the whole, this appears a solid statement albeit we would argue this has been discounted by the very strong share price performance year to date.
Strategic review. The company has indicated that it has completed its initial review of the company and ‘believes a demerger structure can be achieved to create two separately listed companies’. It is intended that Charles Dunstone will become chairman of each company. The company has indicated that ‘the timing of any demerger will depend on the cost and reallocation of the Group’s credit facilities.’
Net debt. The statement indicates that effective net debt at March 2009 was £180m. This is slightly below our forecast for £195m and the consensus at £184m.
NH:

Guidance. As usual, there is limited financial detail in the release. However, the company has given guidance for FY2009E and FY2010E EPS to be 12-12.5p. This is marginally lower than previous guidance of 12-13p, although the statement indicates that the change is largely due to the accounting treatment of SAC. The guidance is therefore broadly in line with previous expectations and previous guidance. Our current forecast is for FY2009E EPS of 12.6p in FY2009E and 12.8p in FY2010E. The consensus (source: Reuters) is for FY2009E EPS of 12.2p and FY2010E EPS of 12.6p. The statement indicates that OpFCF guidance of £150m for FY2010E is now expected to be post big box store roll out and working capital. This effectively means a small upgrade to guidance driven by the delay to the big box roll out and tight working capital management.
Fixed line performance. TalkTalk UK has reported a closing broadband base of 2,806k (+3%, y.o.y.) which is ahead of our forecast of 2,777k and the consensus expectation for 2,778k. This implies that the division has achieved net adds of 74k (+32%, y.o.y.) in Q4 versus our expectation for 45k and the consensus at 46k. The division reported that 78% of its broadband customers have been unbundled versus our expectation for 80% and 78% at the end of Q3.
Best Buy Europe. The division reported total connections of 3,019k which is well ahead of our forecast of 2,778k and the consensus at 2,704k. Of these, 1,130k were subscription customers which is below our forecast of 1,151k but ahead of the consensus at 1,104k
Valuation. At 127p, CPW trades on a CY2009E PER of 10.0x, versus the European Telecoms Sector on 8.5x. The shares trade broadly in line with a blended Telecoms and retail PER of 9.9x. We retain our IN-LINE recommendation.
PM:

Cheers for that
12:04PM
PM:

We need to go soon
PM:

Budgets are always very tense in UK newsrooms
PM:

Newsroom here is getting rather busy — and stressed
PM:

But look — here’s the key link
PM:

Join Robert Shrimsley, Jamie Chisholm and Matthew Vincent as they comment live on Alistair Darling’s speech. Press the play arrow at 12.30pm BST. Once the discussion has started, you can add your comments in the white box that will appear below.
PM:

Shrimsley is the head of FT.com
PM:

(tugs forlock)
NH:

oh, just got the latest Michael Fowke
NH:

Everyone else is linking to this f blog, so I will as well – Goldman Sachs 666.

Apparently, the communists behind this blog are being sued by Goldman Sachs. But that is not the whole story. I can reveal that Goldman has actually commissioned me to put a curse on the blog. The bank is paying me an obscene amount of money for this service, but I would have done it for free.

NH:

Paul, what have you done
NH:

the Budget blog appears to be working
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its gone live
PM:

They are just warming it up — get underway properly at 12.30
NH:

let’s just hope our internet holds together
PM:

Are we going to go on as commenters?
PM:

Right — we are off
PM:

back tomorrow at 11am
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Keep the webby votes rolling
PM:

Cheers for joining us
NH:

and remember $50trn on offer for the winnder of our prize
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