Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:13 on 31 Mar 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Bryce Elder (BE)
10:50 31Mar09 RTRS-SALE OF BARCLAYS PLC
10:51 31Mar09 RTRS-BARCLAYS PLC
10:52 31Mar09 RTRS-BARCLAYS PLC
He challenged Rose on misleading mkt share guidance. After heated exchange, they agreed to disagree, but Rose’s tone thereafter was very defensive.
He also challenged whether the VAT cut was passed on, or whether it was actually being used to prop up their margins…there was no clear denial/ answer, in fact, evasive was the most accurate response.
M&S said no change in guidance, but like George Burley (Scotland Manager), this looks like another case of a ‘dead man walking…Sell into the strength
At this stage we are not sure to what extent figures reported benefit from the strength of post Christmas Clearance activity (quarter this year started on day 2 of the Sale last year on day 4) nor how the run rates look over the latter part of the period. Given that there has been no further deterioration of guidance on the gross margin or costs for 2008/09E we would expect market consensus estimates to rise on these figures maybe by low single digit percentages albeit the CFO is reported on Reuters as being comfortable with existing consensus estimates.
offer and as such we consider no reason to change our fundamental negative position here. We are interested to see that M&S continues to claim that it has held market share in clothing despite seeing its total clothing sales decline by nearly 4% over the financial year and its General Merchandise LFL decline by around 6.5%.
to focus on the upside post recession, rather than worry about the short term
effects of the economy upon profits. We continue to expect the shares to
outperform.
4.8%, compared with a fall of 8.9% in Q3 and continued the improving trend in food,
which were 3.7% lower versus a fall of 5.2% in Q3. Adjusting for the late timing of
Easter adds 0.7% to these numbers, which makes the reported numbers a lot better than consensus.
In terms of product category, market share was ‘maintained’ in Clothing over the full
year and progress was made in Home. The introduction of Portfolio in February has
been well received by customers. Market share in Kids is at its highest level by both value and volume for seven years. In Food, the improving performance was driven by
increased innovation, better ranging and sharper pricing. Availability improvements also helped.
Management reduced its gross margin guidance for the year in Q3 (from -100 basis
points to -175 basis points) and has today gone to the extreme of the range, but we
would not overly concern ourselves with this, given that it admitted to the risk being on the downside in January. The big news in Q3 was on cost savings for next year. M&S forecast an underlying reduction in its UK cost base of between £175m and £200m. This will provide a decent buffer for 2009/10.
sales trends across both divisions, and unchanged gross margin and cost
guidance, should begin to improve the group’s earnings visibility, despite
growing input cost pressures, and start the process of rebuilding investor
confidence in M&S. However, at this early stage, March 2010 earnings are
likely to continue to assume LFL sales trends more in line with 3Q than today’s
better 4Q performance.
we expect consensus March 2009 PBT to increase c.3% to c.£610m.
v We have a Hold rating on the shares — Our view that sector-wide revenue
trends should improve in 2010 (as real household cashflow moves back
towards zero), in combination with today’s improved M&S trading patterns,
offers the potential of material earnings upside in 2009/10. This prospect
should continue to support the shares.
Full year gross margin guidance basically unchanged at -175bps, opex growth reaffirmed at +4-5%, capex no more than £700m.
International sales +23%.
- We are unlikely to change our FY09E PBT estimate of £600m/EPS: 27.1p (consensus per Reuters is also £600m), though given the better than expected Q4 sales performance the risk here could be to the upside. Similarly we would not look to raise our FY10E PBT estimate (£485m/EPS: 21.9p) at this stage, though we believe M&S has planned for a rather worse trading experience than seen in the latest quarter.
- Sentiment towards M&S on the sell-side is already extremely bearish so the Q4 sales outturn could wrong-foot the market. Moreover in FY10 the business should be in much better control of its P&L via lower opex and more realistic stock commitments, in contrast to FY09 when, frankly, profits have been in freefall. Hence if, as it now appears, M&S can break the downgrade cycle, we doubt the shares will underperform the sector even after the strong progress registered so far in 2009. Meanwhile all of the FTSE100 general retailers have now reported without triggering further FY10 forecast reductions, and we would see this announcement as a positive catalyst for the sector.
JW 11:17 + *DJ Cazenove Placing 27M Sainsbury Shares – Traders
N 11:15 *CAZENOVE PLACING SAINBSURY STAKE ON BEHALF OF ERNST & YOUNG
N 11:15 *CAZENOVE PLACING 27.2 MLN SAINSBURY SHARES :SBRY LN
N 11:15 *SAINBSURY SHRS BEING OFFERED AT 305P-310P EACH, TERMS SHOW
tomorrow with trading no worse than its first quarter. The
underlying sector trading trend has improved in March and
we expect a positive reaction for the Enterprise and Punch
share price and read-across to the rest of the sector.
January and February were periods of further weakness compared with the
period before and over Christmas. Results in February and March will also have
been impacted by the fact that Easter occurred in March last year but misses the
first quarter this year. However, underlying conditions in March this year were
more favourable and most operators have experienced slightly more
encouraging conditions. This creates a positive direction for comments on
current trading.
Inns will tomorrow be able to say that trading for the period since the last report
in mid-March will have continued in line with the previous trend (-8% LFL profit
per pub). While not a very uplifting picture, the fact that trading will not have got
worse is important.
their PE’s(Enterprise is on 1.9x prospective, Punch on 1.0x), we expect
tomorrow’s Enterprise announcement to be positive for its share price and, by
implication, for Punch.
reflected in other trading statements in the next weeks. MAB is expected to
report H1 pre-close around 9 April and Marston’s pre-close is scheduled for 15
April. Wetherspoon is due for a Q3 statement in late April, although we are not
expecting Greene King to make any trading statement before finals in early July.
We recommend a BUY for Mitchells and a SWITCH from Greene King to
Marstons, which yields 8%.
DETAILS – There has been ‘no material change in performance’ since the January statement. To recap, the January statement revealed beer sales 6% down, rent 7% down and profit/pub 8% down. Tenanted support continues to run at £1.4m/month. The issues are concentrated in the bottom 20% of the estate, most of which are on temporary agreements. Historically, these would be packaged up and sold but the lack of credit requires a more individual approach. This financial year Enterprise has sold 150 pubs for £44m, equivalent to just £293k/pub. Enterprise is confident that it can refinance ‘at the appropriate time’ but does not elaborate.
We do not expect any concrete news for another 12 months but we do expect the dividend to be suspended at the interims.
VALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION – Our 20p share price target is based on 8.3x EV/EBITDA to
September 2009. At yesterday’s close, the stock was trading on 8.7x EV/EBITDA and 1.8x PE to the same
date. At 8.0x EV/EBITDA the share price would be zero.
This follows the sale of 3 Suffolk pubs sold to Adnams for £2.7m and 2 pubs to The Restaurant Group for £1.5m. We would not rule out further disposals after The Times (6 March) reported Punch has appointed advisors to approach regional brewers that may be interested in packages of the company’s pubs.
v Buying back debt — With PBT of £158m, the market cap of £125m represents only option value. Using disposal proceeds to pay down debt, which is trading at a substantial discount to par, could have a magnified effect on the equity.
Punch has already bought back £180m of debt for £145m and we expect that this will continue. The cash should help pay down the convertible, due in 2010. The nominal value is £209m, but the CB is currently trading at c61.
v Substantial downgrades — We lower forecasts significantly cutting 2009E PBT by 26% to £158m from £214m, a 40% decline vs 2008. This takes us from well above consensus to slightly below consensus forecasts (median of c£161m).
v End game — A covenant breach scenario leaving the equity worthless is still possible, but we believe the risk of selling Punch shares in the short term is high due to potential catalysts from disposal announcements to fund debt buybacks. Giles Thorley, CEO, was an aggressive deal maker during the bull market and these skills as a financier will be critical in avoiding a covenant breach. We would rather be opportunistic buyers of distressed pubs than forced sellers, but believe Punch shares could rally if further disposals are
announced. We upgrade our rating to Hold from Sell, and lower our TP to 50p due to earnings downgrades.
We think the time has come to reduce exposure to European (especially UK) retailers. Having been bullish on the space, we think performance and valuation now seem to be up with events and there are now better opportunities elsewhere.
In particular, we are adding significantly to our real estate exposure. The sector has lagged badly this year as investors have fought shy of capital raisings, but we believe valuations look very attractive on a number of metrics and think the bulk of the capital raisings are now behind us.
Recent data suggest that optimism surrounding the resilience of the (UK) consumer is shifting to the housing market, with UK mortgage approval data surprising on the upside last week as UK retail sales disappointed the consensus.
Accordingly, we would also advocate switching retail exposure to the building and construction sector. While this sector has not trailed by as much as real estate, it has not participated to the same extent as retail in this policy-induced recovery rally.
At the stock level, we remove Marks and Spencer and Carnival from our European Recommended Portfolio, while we add Hammerson. We already own Land Securities, CRH and Holcim.
the market this year, and classically operates at the leading edge of sector performance –
often performing well ahead of other cyclical groups, both at the top of the cycle and the
bottom. On a number of metrics now, the sector looks to have run ahead of some others –
notably property and construction & building materials. Indeed, even relative to the more
defensive food retailers, general retailers are now priced a lot more aggressively than they
were. Last week’s data flow, with surprisingly strong UK mortgage approvals and
surprisingly weak UK retail sales, emphasises that the policy-induced recovery in the UK is
feeding through into the residential property sector, helpful for house builders and building
material companies, while the valuations now on offer in commercial property suggest an
increase in exposure. Also relative to their peers in Continental Europe, UK retailers are
richly priced – understandable, in our opinion, given the better consumer performance in
the UK recently – but the gap is now wide enough.
And that’s fantastic because Stan Kroenke is a smart billionaire who will reduce Wenger’s power in a way which benefits the club. To keep his job, Wenger will have to sign more Arshavins, not so many Songs and Meridas.
Monday’s sale of 8% by Danny Fiszman shows us that that Danny is no longer an obstacle to Stan’s ownership of the club.
Danny has told us his price £8,500. And Stan has told us his price : £8,500.
Stan will not pay more than £8,500 for a share because that is what he thinks Arsenal shares are worth.Spending £42.5 million is a big decision by Stan. He thinks AFC has a future. The way he does business is very sure-footed and strategic. And he paid cash. He didn’t borrow the £42.5 million. He paid cash, so keep that in mind for future reference.
Before Monday :
25.0% Usmanov
24.2% Fiszman
15.9% Lady Nina
12.4% Kroenke
Now:
25.0% Usmanov
20.5% Kroenke
16.1% Fiszman
15.9% Lady Nina
None of the big shareholders can now buy Lady Nina’s shares without having to launch a full bid, as they would exceed the 29.9% threshold.
Lady Nina has been shafted. She has been comprehensively shafted by Danny, who has engineered her exit and made sure Stan buys his shares, not hers. Lady Nina told the Evening Standard: “It comes as a complete surprise to me. I haven’t spoken to the other shareholders today. I don’t know what it means for the future of the club.”
The exchange rate has worked for the American. Stan bought at $1.40 to the pound, rather than the $1.85 he previously had to pay, so his outlay is reduced.
Danny had exactly 15,000 shares. He has now sold 5,000 and he has 10,025 left. So it appears he has bought some shares recently without declaring them to the market.
The best long-term owner for Arsenal FC is Stan Kroenke. I’ve said that on ANR for two years and I was right. He may only have 20% but it’s his club now.
The Q&A with Ivan Gazidis confirms that. Yes, Stan wants continuity in the traditions of the club. Has there been any contact with Lady Nina since she left the board? It’s important that we have open dialogue with her. I’ll be reaching out to her.(But she didn’t want you as CEO, Ivan !) Will she sell to the current board? I’m sure there would be interest from among the current board.( i.e. my boss, Stan.)
Naturally, they deny that the installation of Ivan was a pre-condition of Stan joining the board and of course Ivan did not start work until January 1st , long after the AGM where Stan was presented to shareholders.
In the future, keep in mind that Stan has never paid more than £8,000/£8,500 for his Arsenal shares. Secondly, he has never sold a share in any of his sports franchises. Silent Stanley of St Louis never talks, never signals his intentions, never goes yak-yak to the media like Tom Hicks. He accumulates and waits and always negotiates from a position of strength. Crucially, he accumulates at the right price. What Stan Kroenke has done in the past, he will do again. That’s all you know about Stan and all you need to know.
Oddly, Danny did not turn up at the last AGM to welcome his new American board member. There is no photo of Danny shaking hands with Stan. Millionaires don’t like billionaires because they love to be the richest man in the room.
The big irony is that it was David Dein who introduced Stan Kroenke to the club. Dein wanted Stan to buy the Arsenal. Now that is happening without his participation. And it’s happening two years after his sacking in April 2007.
The Company announced on 18 March 2009 that it was considering, among other options, the possibility of an equity capital raising. The Company confirms that it continues to pursue an equity capital raising. However, no assurance can be given that an equity raising will proceed. A further announcement will be made shortly.
Since 6th March, the shares in Wolseley have bounced 71%. However, they
remain well down on the start of the year level of 384p.
Shares will go ex rights at close of 2nd April — The 1952m nil paid rights (pre
10 for 1 consolidation) will start to trade on the 3rd April. This 11 for 5 rights
issue has been fully underwritten. This comes on top of the £270m placing of
225m shares at 120p. These shares have doubled in value in 3 weeks, but
cannot be sold as the stock delivery has not yet taken place.
the industry should see its margins return to previous levels. We continue to
believe the recovery will come first in the US, but the group’s decision to exit
Stock will dampen the recovery potential. We also think that the exit of Stock
will be modestly cash positive.
Need to fix the UK — For us, the biggest test for the group now that the
balance sheet has been fixed is the UK. The sharp drop in operating margins is
significantly worse than its peers despite arguably a more stable portfolio.
We downgrade the shares to a Hold from Buy — Our downgrade reflects that
fact that the upside to our unchanged target price of 250p (pre 10 for 1
consolidation) no longer warrants a Buy rating. We also remain a little nervous
of how the shares will trade through the rights issue period.
(passing the stress test, not participating in the APS, likely iShares disposal),
but longer-term we still see exposure to fat-tail risks and questions about
earnings sustainability.
In an RNS, BARC has confirmed that it won’t be participating in the UK government’s asset protection scheme; it has also confirmed that its capital and reserves were expected to meet the capital requirements of a detailed FSA stress test that determined resilience to stressed credit risk, market risk and economic conditions. The trading performance of the Group remains strong, and there are a number of parties interested in iShares (with the press reporting three private equity bidders, largely funded by a loan from BARC).
tremendous share price gains recently. From a fundamental perspective, though, what
really has changed? By not participating in the APS, BARC is leaving itself exposed to “fat tail” risks on its book – these will occur more frequently in an environment of
sharply rising corporate default rates. And the details of the FSA stress test are scant –
especially concerning counterparty default and correlation risks on the £985bn of
derivatives assets.
And although a disposal of iShares – a business with relatively stable, strong profitability and low capital intensity – would provide a capital boost, it would also dilute the remaining Group’s returns on invested capital, in our view.
This would also raise questions about earnings sustainability, because the Group would become even more dependent on BarCap’s earnings. And although BarCap reported extremely strong performance in Jan and Feb (along with almost all of its investment banking/derivatives trading peers), we question how much of that performance was driven by favourable counterparty payouts by AIG, monolines and credit derivatives product companies (there is an interesting post on the Zerohedge website that looks at AIG payouts in particular).
the stress test, not participating in the APS, likely iShares disposal), but longer-term we still see exposure to fat-tail risks and questions about earnings sustainability.
With the first quarter now complete, in this report we look at European forecasts
and valuation and how they have changed YTD. The good news is that we see the
sector as two-thirds through the downgrade cycle, with pockets of improved
profitability (especially investment banking) already emerging. The bad news is
that the final third of the credit cycle downgrade is likely to be the most painful,
we still see threats to tangible book value in the sector, and the end-Q1 rally in the
sector has created room for sharp declines.
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Two thirds done, one third to go
Our bottom-up forecasts now capture a 141bp bad debt charge across the
European banks. This is roughly triple the level that we were forecasting a year
ago, but top down we see risks that a synchronised recession will drive annualised
bad debt charges to 210bp plus. At this level, we calculate the sector would be
break-even, and by definition up to half of the sector should be loss-making, i.e.
NAV destroying.
With the first quarter now complete, in this report we look at European forecasts
and valuation and how they have changed YTD. The good news is that we see the
sector as two-thirds through the downgrade cycle, with pockets of improved
profitability (especially investment banking) already emerging. The bad news is
that the final third of the credit cycle downgrade is likely to be the most painful,
we still see threats to tangible book value in the sector, and the end-Q1 rally in the
sector has created room for sharp declines.
Global Markets Research Company
Two thirds done, one third to go
Our bottom-up forecasts now capture a 141bp bad debt charge across the
European banks. This is roughly triple the level that we were forecasting a year
ago, but top down we see risks that a synchronised recession will drive annualised
bad debt charges to 210bp plus. At this level, we calculate the sector would be
break-even, and by definition up to half of the sector should be loss-making, i.e.
NAV destroying.
Our top picks are UBS (target price CHF 22), EFG International (target price
CHF 19) and BNP Paribas (target price Euro 33). Our key Sell recommendations
are Lloyds Banking Group (target price GBP 0.35), Standard Chartered (target price
GBP 7.00), Bankinter (Sell, target price Euro 3.7) and Piraeus (target price
Euro 4.4). Our target prices for these stocks are set on sum-of-the-parts models.
Key risks to our Buy recommendations are the credit cycle (rising bad debts
reduce profits and impair capital) and further capital markets volatility and losses.
Conversely, a more benign credit environment and stable capital markets would
imply upside risk to our Sell recommendations.
Even this far into the financial crisis, we are hard pressed to find a story as sorry as
the “negative basis” trades that saw banks buying CDOs and insuring the risk of
default with insurance companies, predominantly the monolines. The few basis
points of recurrent income promised by the trade are leading, inexorably, to losses
of as much as 100% of the principal invested. This tale is not over.
The proposed restructuring of MBIA has led the CDS market to conclude that
monolines are on the path to defaulting on their CDO wraps. Legacy MBIA OpCo
CDS trades at US$62 points up front plus 500bps running, implying virtually a
100% default probability. We believe the situation is more complex, but still
potentially ugly. European banks have over €25bn of current exposure to these
insurers – a figure that will grow as €100 billion of remaining wrapped credits
deteriorate.
Those wishing to put this behind them may accelerate the commutation process:
we believe this is likely to achieve less than 30c in the dollar, but at least in cash.
Those viewing that settlement as unattractive may change accounting to a modelbased
approach that avoids using the erratic CDS market as a benchmark.
Based on our analysis of publicly available disclosure, we believe that Deutsche,
Barclays, CASA and BNP Paribas are least well positioned to deal with a poor
monoline outcome. We believe the risks will continue to warrant a discount to
peers for the risk of dilution.
NH: We detail disclosure on monoline exposure from those banks in Europe with
meaningful positions. We note the ‘moveable feast’ nature of the size, it being
driven by the mark-down on the underlying CDO/CLO as well as the level of
credit valuation adjustment. The table shows notional exposure on the left, then
the current fair value of that exposure. The difference between the two is the
gross claim on the insurer. Banks have then taken a Credit Valuation
Adjustment (CVA) for the risk of the claim not being paid in full; some also
have hedges. On the right is where the net claim on the monoline is currently
held on the banks’ balance sheets.
Exclusive: AIG Was Responsible For The Banks’ January & February Profitability
Posted by Tyler Durden at 6:35 PM
Zero Hedge is rarely speechless, but after receiving this email from a correlation desk trader, we simply had to hold a moment of silence for the phenomenal scam that continues unabated in the financial markets, and now has the full oversight and blessing of the U.S. government, which in turns keeps on duping U.S. taxpayers into believing everything is good.
I present the insider perspective of trader Lou (who wishes to remain anonymous) in its entirety:
“AIG-FP accumulated thousands of trades over the years, all essentially consisted of selling default protection. This was done via a number of structures with really only one criteria – rated at least AA- (if it fit these criteria all OK – as far as I could tell credit assessment was completely outsourced to the rating agencies).
Credit linked notes are done through single-name CDS desks and a cash desk (for the note collateral) and the portfolio swaps are done through the correlation desk. These trades were done is almost every jurisdiction – wherever AIG had an office they had IB salespeople covering them.
Correlation desks just back their risk out via the single names desks – the correlation desk manages the delta/gamma according to their correlation model. So correlation desks carry model risk but very little market risk.
I was mostly involved in the corporate synthetic CDO side.
Andrew Sullivan, The Sunday Times
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Johann Hari, The Independent
Piers Morgan, Live, The Mail on Sunday
Andrew Alderson, The Sunday Telegraph
Christopher Leake, The Mail on Sunday
Guy Basnett, News of the World
Ian Cobain, The Guardian
Jon Ungoed-Thomas, The Sunday Times
Kate Mansey, The Sunday Mirror
Nina Lakhani, Independent on Sunday
Patrick Cockburn, The Independent
Andrew Malone, Daily Mail
Colin Freeman, Sunday Telegraph
Dan McDougall, freelance (News of the World, Observer, Mail on Sunday Live Magazine)
Peter Hitchens, The Mail on Sunday
Rupert Cornwell, The Independent
Tracey McVeigh, The Observer
Alex Brummer, Daily Mail
Catherine Belton, Financial Times
Gillian Tett, Financial Times
Jill Treanor, The Guardian
Larry Elliott, The Guardian
Margareta Pagano, Independent on Sunday
Simon Watkins, The Mail on Sunday
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Caitlin Moran, The Times
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Richard Morrison, The Times
Tom Lubbock, The Independent
Brian Moore, Daily Telegraph
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Ian Stafford, The Mail on Sunday
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House of Commons debate broken up – with CS spray
• Police break up fight after late-night Westminster debate
• One man – thought to be a journalist – arrested
An argument that appears to have started at a Conservative party reception spilt over into a neighbouring part of the Palace of Westminster. One man – thought to be a journalist – was arrested in the fracas in which a police officer received minor injuries.
Commons authorities said the incident was not terrorist-related, nor connected to the G20 meeting this week, but the exact details of what happened in the corridors of power remained sketchy.
A Conservative source suggested that three journalists who had earlier been to the gathering hosted by party chairman Eric Pickles in the shadow cabinet room were at first involved in the trouble, which ended in a corridor behind the Speaker’s chair in the Commons, just yards from where MPs were debating Africa. It is thought senior ministers’ offices are also nearby.
The Press Association news agency said it understood that party officials had been escorting guests without Westminster security passes who are not allowed into restricted areas of parliament to and from exits during the reception.
But those involved in the incident are believed to have slipped away where the police became involved.
The Commons authorities said there had been an argument between two non-passholder guests who left the party to continue their argument in a private area of the House of Commons where they were stopped.
Sittings in the Commons and the House of Lords were not affected.
A Conservative source said: “We understand that three journalists who earlier in the evening had been at Eric Pickles’ party left and at some point later on created some kind of disturbance. There was nothing in their behaviour earlier that suggested they would act like this.”
