Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:04 on 23 Mar 2009. Participants in this chat were: Paul Murphy, FT (PM) Neil Hume, FT (NH)
PM:
This is Markets Live – FT Alphaville’s daily market commentary
PM:
Neil and I are completely rested – had lovely weekends.
PM:
Markets got a spring in its step also
PM:
This is cos everyone is really excited about how Tim Geithner is going to Save the Day in Washington – is that so Neil.?
NH:
The Obama detox diet comes out at 12.45, we think.
PM:
Very exciting – and enough to power stocks forward
NH:
we are currently up 61 points at 3,904
NH:
the bear market rally lives on
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 115.20, up 10.2 (+9.71%), High: 116.30, Low: 109.00, Volume: 49.95m
RIO TINTO (RIO:LSE): Last: 2,176, up 148 (+7.30%), High: 2,191, Low: 2,091, Volume: 3.89m
Old Mutual (OML:LSE): Last: 48.10, up 4.3 (+9.82%), High: 49.00, Low: 46.60, Volume: 6.43m
NH:
Of course, there’s another, more oblique reason why some stocks might be going up
NH:
If you look forward, and you think there is a chance all this quantitative easing thingy is going to get screwed up – you need to think about where you might put your money.
PM:
Yes, you could put it in baked beans and bags of coal.
PM:
And warm clothing and pencillin etc.
PM:
But what asset classes?
NH:
We were talking last week about how in a hyper inflationary environment stock markets can be considered a store of value.
NH:
That’s why, in Zimbabwe stocks have gone up faster than the price of bread
NH:
If you are first to get freshly printed Zim dollars, you look to buy something with intrinsic value – like a share in a real company.
PM:
So obviously we are wondering whether a few people are thinking along the same lines with London stocks.
NH:
Haven’t had time to do the homework, but does anyone know the performance of German stocks during the Weimer years??
PM:
Anyway, we haven’t got hyper inflatin as yet.
PM:
But if there are any stock historians out there — like you’re views
NH:
But what at QE, there was stuff around this morning saying it wasn’t working.
PM:
John Kemp at Reuters – making the point that the big drop in treasury yields that followed the $300bn shock and awe thing last week – had already been partially whittled away.
PM:
Also saying that the resultant effect on corporate bond yields had also diminished.
PM:
Think his point was that to truly manipulate the yield curve on a sustained basis means using unbelievable amounts of money.
PM:
And yet if the Fed does that it needs to sell unbelievable amounts of treasuries.
NH:
Otherwise the US will be monetising its deficit.
NH:
And if you monetise the deficit you are effectively devaluing.
PM:
Wipes out the debt pretty smartish tho.
PM:
With a debased currency.
NH:
So this is basically our sense then…
NH:
The risks with QE are so extreme – the policy tool is so blunt and dangerous
NH:
That the only reason stocks can be going up now is because people are positioning themselves for when the wheels really do come off.
PM:
Hmm – the idea basically is that stocks become a safe haven, rather than government bonds.
PM:
Because governments will – to some extent – default and/devalue.
NH:
Guess you’d buy property on the same basis – store of value.
PM:
The Fed’s bid to lower long-term interest rates on home mortgages and corporate loans by buying $300 billion of benchmark longer-term US Treasury securities is already running into trouble.
Yields on 10YR US Treasuries were cut 51 basis points from 3.02% to 2.51% in the minutes following the announcement on Weds. But rates crawled back up on both Thurs (+10 basis points) and Fri (+5 basis points) leaving the market just 36 basis points lower than before.
The improvement in corporate and mortgage rates has been even smaller as credit spreads have flared out to offset some of the drop in benchmark rates.
Yields on corporate debt from seasoned AAA-rated issuers fell just 24 points after the Fed announcement (half the reduction in benchmark rates) and had already trickled up +4 basis points the day after.
Yields on BAA-rated corporate debt fell only 23 points and were already up 6 points the following session.
Most investors have concluded that the Fed’s gambit is a bluff. Buying back $300 billion worth of government debt is not enough to make a sustainable difference (especially when the government will be issuing hundreds of billions more securities of the same tenor at the same time).
The only way to make a significant impact would be to buy much more — and absorb a significant proportion of the government’s new issuance.
But if the Fed expands the buying programme, it will be monetising a large part of the government’s current borrowing needs and engaging in old fashioned inflationary finance. The resulting hit to both its credibility as well as confidence in the debt market and the value of the currency would only make the crisis worse.
So the Fed is trapped. The current buy back programme is too small to have more than a symbolic effect. But if the programme is expanded, fears about inflation-financing will trigger the rise in bond yields and collapse in confidence and the currency the Fed is desperate to avoid.
PM:
Actualy, you know how we blog – and therefore we link?
PM:
Well look if I put alphaville into reuters search I get
PM:
No results were found.
Did you mean: FT altavilla?
Your search for ‘FT alphavillle’ produced 0 results.
Suggestions:
PM:
Make sure all the words are spelled correctly
Try different words
Try more general keywords
NH:
So what’s your point? We should change our name to FT Altavilla
PM:
Possibly. What is altavilla?
NH:
It’s a he – Alfredo Altavilla of Fiat, apparently
NH:
We are not fighting for a huge market share in India but aiming to be premium in the segment we are launching cars (in),” Alfredo Altavilla, senior vice-president of the Fiat Group, said at an annual auto show in the Indian capital on Wednesday.
PM:
No – point is one for Reuters. Learn how to link – it’s the search economy and if you don’t link you wont get read.
PM:
Main features this morning Neil?
NH:
mining stocks in demand at the moment
NH:
and I suppose the other quick point we should make here
NH:
is what happened to global equity markets the last time Geithner announced a bad bank plan
PM:
Assumption it wil be all right this time
NH:
mining stocks in demand
NH:
on the back of some incredible data out of China
NH:
it seems that China’s implied copper demand surged 44% in February
NH:
of course, the question is why
NH:
strategic stock piling
NH:
anyway what is beyond dispute is that China consumed 591,000 tonnes of copper in Feb
NH:
and just over 1m tonnes in the first two months of the year
NH:
most analysts are taking the view that this won’t continue because this is just stock piling
NH:
but for now it is boosting the share prices of the miners
BHP Billiton (BLT:LSE): Last: 1,484, up 38 (+2.63%), High: 1,508, Low: 1,470, Volume: 5.51m
RIO TINTO (RIO:LSE): Last: 2,174, up 146 (+7.20%), High: 2,191, Low: 2,091, Volume: 3.98m
Xstrata (XTA:LSE): Last: 466.25, up 11.25 (+2.47%), High: 485.75, Low: 455.00, Volume: 14.95m
Lonmin (LMI:LSE): Last: 1,485, up 118 (+8.63%), High: 1,506, Low: 1,371, Volume: 827.08k
Antofagasta (ANTO:LSE): Last: 564.50, up 15 (+2.73%), High: 578.50, Low: 558.00, Volume: 1.71m
Kazakhmys (KAZ:LSE): Last: 384.00, up 15.5 (+4.21%), High: 391.75, Low: 375.00, Volume: 1.13m
NH:
got something from Fairfax
NH:
China and copper – China SRB and other state agencies are reported by producers and commentators to be active in the copper market helping prices.
Chinese agencies are also said to be buying physical metal directly from miners.
The move is to protect local Chinese smelters and miners as well as to rebuild strategic physical stocks
NH:
It also maintains production at mines which might normally shut or slow production elsewhere. This is interesting for the market on a longer term basis as it artificially maintains some unprofitable copper production although it should help to smooth out the worst impact of a boom / bust.
For relatively little expense China may delay the next upward squeeze in copper prices
NH:
China is considering investing $500bn in overseas resources to secure supplies for economic growth.
The figures are according to a survey by Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu who polled sources in Chinese state owned companies, private equity funds and metals producers in Shanghai and Beijing last week.
M&A activity in the mining space is likely to jump significantly if Chinese entities move to grab mines, projects and prospects around the world as part of a strategic move to secure future metals supplies.
NH:
other than the miners
NH:
banks are also in demand
NH:
Barclays leading the banks higher
NH:
currently ahead 10.3p at 115.3p
NH:
Varley continues to talk a good game
PM:
We were of course tickled by this CS note this morning
PM:
We had lunch with Barclays CEO John Varley, FD Chris Lucas and Head of IR Stephen Jones on Friday. There were two broad conclusions, in our view.
PM:
1. Any decision on the APS is several weeks away. While the bank has submitted a sample £10bn portfolio(s) to the Treasury, HMT has been very tied up with LBG and RBS. Barclays still has “no line of sight” on terms it might offer. However, it doesn’t believe APS has been particularly generous so far. It took the example of LBG’s combined attachment point + fee of 16%. Barclays noted it lost 2.5% in 1992 and it would need 7 consecutive years of this before the insurance became profitable. Barclays didn’t think that it was likely to be forced into the scheme either – indeed Alastair Darling told the Treasury Select Committee that the ball was in Barclays’ court.
Credit Suisse comment: We do not think the comparison between APS costs and Barclays’ early 1990′s charges is overly relevant. After all, certain parts of Barclays’ portfolio lost much more than 2.5% in 1992 (e.g. commercial property at about 7%). Furthermore, it ignores the benefit of lower risk weighted assets. From our perspective, we hope management seriously considers APS, not least for its toxic structured assets and in particular monoline exposures. While the bank clearly feels strongly about the quality of these – it highlighted that its CLO positions were strongly cashflow generative and far more diversified that other “toxic” structured assets – we can’t see the market giving them the benefit of the doubt in the near-term.
PM:
2. They recognise the benefits of a higher capital ratio. Barclays believes it has more than enough capital to run its current mix of businesses, but says there is an increasing correlation between TSR and equity tier 1 ratios. As such, it feels it is right to consider a higher equity tier 1 ratio in the near term, irrespective of whether it goes into the APS or not. Hence the comments around iShares which it also said was increasingly non-core to BGI, something it had always thought would be the case once iShares got too big.
Credit Suisse comment: We view positively that Barclays’ recognises the benefits of a higher equity tier 1 ratio. Not least, at 6.4% it is 3% lower than LBG and RBS. While we don’t think Barclays needs as much capital as these two banks – as management says, large parts of their loans books are likely to perform a lot better – we feel around £8bn of additional equity capital would be helpful. This would take the ratio to over 8% ex APS or over 7% with an APS of £80bn @ 6% fee (our central case assumption). iShares is clearly a key focus for boosting capital and the Sunday Times says that Hellman & Friedman are leading a consortium that could offer around £3.5bn (higher than many analysts have suggested) with The Guardian saying a deal could be announced as early as this week. A sale of iShares would still leave a shortfall versus our £8bn capital calculation, but Barclays has had a good start to the year, particularly the first two weeks of January – not least due to strong flow and margins in Barclays Capital – and continued strength could assist the capital base further. In addition, management did not rule out Government B shares. They are obviously keen to avoid Government involvement but it sounds like any decision will depend on associated terms and conditions. They highlighted that 2x their share price on 25th February (the commonly referred to “undisturbed price”) was around 200p and this would avoid issues around the anti-dilution clause on the MCN.
PM:
Overall, Barclays management continue to talk a good story but they face a number of key decisions in the coming weeks. However, for us the most important point is we do not believe Barclays is minded to issue lots of new shares (ex perhaps very generous Government B shares) particularly in light of the MCN. While that would leave questions over capital ratios, the 2008 NAV at 238p remains very relevant – and a sale of iShares at £4bn would inflate this to around 270p on our numbers. We maintain our Outperform rating, but appreciate that further material upside is now dependent on upcoming management actions.
NH:
So you angling for lunch with Barc?
PM:
Here’s what we ran earlier
NH:
and the FT Alphaville view
NH:
on Barclays for what it is worth
NH:
is that they sell iShares, this gives them enough cash until June, when the reset period on the MCN’s end, and then they raise more money
NH:
too much stuff has gone on in the past couple of weeks for their participation in the APS to be a reality
NH:
it is just not going to happen
NH:
but the wider points, i guess is that Barc looks thinly capitalised compared to most other UK banks
NH:
of course, the most interesting detail on the iShares sale now is how it might be financed
NH:
and one view is that barclays might raise say £3bn from investors with a bond carrying a govt guarantee
NH:
lend that cash to the PE buyers
NH:
or even understand it
NH:
one gets the feeling that Varley and his boffins could run rings round Darling and his overstretched Treasury team
PM:
Whdile we are doing the banks, we can drift over to th einsurers
Prudential (PRU:LSE): Last: 341.75, up 9 (+2.70%), High: 349.00, Low: 340.00, Volume: 6.84m
Legal and General Group (LGEN:LSE): Last: 45.10, up 2.3 (+5.37%), High: 47.10, Low: 43.10, Volume: 16.48m
Aviva (AV:LSE): Last: 248.50, up 10.5 (+4.41%), High: 255.75, Low: 245.75, Volume: 3.39m
PM:
glad you closed your short in L&G eh
NH:
results due from L&G tomorrow
PM:
STRNS seemed to be saying a small divi cut was in order
PM:
Fiddling at the edges , me thinks
NH:
sorry figs are Wednesday
PM:
Good note out from Andrew Cream of Citigroup this morning on the insurers
PM:
They Tried to Make Us Go to Recap …
PM:
No. No. No. — Are insurers banks in disguise? We do not think regulators will
force European insurers to recapitalise with markets at current levels. But, as
economic losses seep into balance sheets in coming months, the pressures will
build. With accounting in such a mess, pinpoint accuracy about solvency is
impossible. In falling markets, investors will remain nervous. The best that we can
do is rank companies by relative risk: we focus on asset leverage, IGD solvency &
free cash generation.
PM:
Weathering the storm — It is a little ironic that, despite European insurers proving
financially more robust in the teeth of a deeper crisis than in 2002/03, their share
prices have not mirrored this — accounting is principally to blame.
Capital — Unlike the bank sector, assessing insurer capital adequacy is far from
straightforward. ‘Solvency 1’ calculations vary considerably by geography &
provide a warped view of underlying risk. Economic capital has yet to be
introduced but would re-order the ranking of companies at risk.
Accounting — EV approaches have unraveled at the critical moment, insurers in
disarray converting to MCEV in uncertain markets. How to make sense of Aviva’s
MCEV halving from 600p to 300p (or 70p without a liquidity premium) while Pru’s
EEV rose 2p to 547p. The desire for ‘cash based’ measures has seen increasing
focus on IFRS referenced metrics. However, this too is fraught with
inconsistencies. This applies both to ‘tangible book’ as well as IFRS earnings
measures. Investors have no agreed valuation metric to guide them.
PM:
Still Defensive — Insurer business models are undamaged by this recession
(unlike banks) and can revive quickly when markets turn. One might even argue
that, with corporate credit in vogue, these companies offer a geared exposure. We
think it is too early to make a firm call given the macro uncertainty. We remain risk
averse until markets have clearly bottomed and the economy is on the mend.
NH:
any idea of who the most risk are?
NH:
Cream does not like Aviva, we know that much
NH:
sorry Crean, not Cream.
PM:
Just looking at the table
PM:
UK life — he’s sell aviva — high risk
PM:
Buy Standard Life, apparenlty
Standard Life (SL:LSE): Last: 185.50, down 2.5 (-1.33%), High: 195.90, Low: 184.60, Volume: 1.78m
PM:
That’s enough financials
PM:
Neil Collins is leaving the Standard to join Reuters
PM:
He seems to be part of this Jonathan Ford LexVille, breaking wind thing
PM:
That Kemp is also piont of
NH:
jeepers. this reuters blog thing has a large chequebook, snapping up loads of hacks
NH:
not like our shoe string budget
PM:
We’re paid well enough Neil
PM:
I think

PM:
Er, well i am

PM:
So, — what was i tgoing to be called — behind the Curve?
NH:
ifthisdoesn’tworkiamgoingtobeateacher.com
PM:
While on the media front, seen this?
PM:
Business reporting’s stock falls
PM:
Peter Wilby in the guardian
PM:
These pars caught my eye
PM:
This is where financial journalism falls down. Most papers – the Guardian is an exception – do not seriously attempt a citizens’ watchdog role over business, exposing, for example, how it rips off consumers, overpays its directors and senior executives, underpays its workers, does everything possible to avoid paying tax, trashes the environment and makes deals with dictators.
The Guardian alone places its business pages in the main run of news before the comment pages. All other papers put them in separate sections or in a sort of limbo towards the back of the book, usually between comment and sport, with obituaries somewhere nearby. The pages are written about business for business, and general readers rarely venture there or, it seems, are intended to do so. All specialists are vulnerable to producer capture and acceptance of consensual professional wisdom, but business writers are more vulnerable than most.
The credit crunch illustrates how, to quote the veteran American business reporter Dean Starkman, writing in the Columbia Journalism Review, “journalists who (consciously or not) see their role as serving investors first, or primarily, risk failing readers as both citizens and investors”. There is a simple way to avoid the mocking appearances in Private Eye’s Street of Shame that follow their attempts at prediction. That is to stop predicting, and concentrate instead on telling readers what is going on at this moment. If they had done a bit more of that, financial journalists might have better understood that the pre-crunch boom conditions, and the fat profits of just about every western bank, were built on sand.
PM:
otherwise, let’s move on
NH:
I think we should move on
NH:
we could get into trouble
PM:
Fresh topic — what you got?
NH:
Well I was looking an interesting note that came out of Cazenove on Carnival this morning
NH:
like many of these leisure stocks it has performer reasonably well
NH:
outperfoming the FT All share index by 15% in the last three months and 21% in the last month
NH:
now, the reason seems to be down to an arb
NH:
that Carnival has itself been playing
NH:
effectively shorting its NY listed shares and buying back the UK line
PM:
So carnival is an arb alongside being a cruise ship operator?
NH:
yep, a bit of hedge fund action on the side
PM:
Hmm — potential synergy here — carninval selling their investment prowess to their well heeled blue rinse brigadge on the ships
NH:
yeah, a captive audience, while they are at sea at least
NH:
a few structured products
NH:
anyway, here’s the Caz note
NH:
and also note that Carnival have q1 figs tomorrow
NH:
Carnival’s relative share price performance over the last few months has been substantially better than we expected, outperfoming the FT All share index by 15% in the last three months and 21% in the last month. In the same period the US listing has outpeformed the S&P 500 by 10% in the last 1 month and by 2% in the last three months. We believe that with the group’s Q1 results due to be published on Tuesday there is scope for the stock to weaken after a strong run in recent weeks
NH:
We believe that part of the reason for the share price outperformance has been the company’s arbitrage programme whereby shares are issued in Carnival Corp, the New York listed entity of the dual listed structure, and the cash raised is used to purchase shares in the London listing in order to keep the premium/discount between the two within reasonable levels. The programme was introduced because arbitrage activity dried up somewhat after the onset of the banking crisis and at one time the UK listing was trading at a 20% discount to the US listing. Since the introduction of the scheme the range has been +/- 5%.
NH:
However, the underlying trading prospects of the group remain difficult in our view and we do not expect the company to be able to provide much comfort to shareholders at the forthcoming results other than perhaps confirmation that trading conditions have not deteriorated any further. We believe management will reiterate that significant discounting is needed to stimulate bookings with the longer more exotic cruises proving harder to sell. Revenue yields are also likely to remain under pressure as past fuel surcharges are lifted.
NH:
Carnival will also be in a position to provide some colour on demand in the all important Wave Season, the period between January and March when some 25% of annual bookings are made. Royal Caribbean in its Q4 results in January provided a crumb of comfort when it stated that there were some signs of stability in Wave Season bookings, but this had been largely driven by aggressive discounting. The read across from the absence of further deterioration in trading conditions for Royal Caribbean may also have supported Carnival’s share price performance in our view.
NH:
While in the medium term Carnival may be emerging as a somewhat more defensive investment than we had anticipated we remain cautious ahead of the results on Tuesday especially after the strong run in the shares. We believe that it will be difficult for further positive catalysts to emerge and that in the short term the share price could prove vulnerable to profit taking.
NH:
Results preview
Q1 guidance is for EPS to be in the region of $0.20 to $0.22 based on a fuel cost of $295/tonne (broadly in line with the way fuel has actually traded in Q1).
Currency exchange rates assumed in the guidance were $1.38:€ and $1.53:£. There is scope therefore for some modest underperformance on currency grounds as Sterling has averaged about $1.40 (8% lower) and the Euro has been in the region of $1.30 (5% lower). Carnival has indicated that a 10% move in the dollar against all currencies impacts EPS by 17cents per share or about 7% vs our 2009E EPS.
See end of email for analyst certification and important disclosures, including investment banking relationships. J.P. Morgan Cazenove Limited does and seeks to do business with companies covered in its research reports. As a result, investors should be aware that the firm may have a conflict of interest that could affect the objectivity of this report. Investors should consider this report as only a single factor in making their investment decision.
Carnival (CCL:LSE): Last: 1,566, up 2 (+0.13%), High: 1,586, Low: 1,560, Volume: 254.50k
NH:
WPP under a bit of pressure
NH:
shares off 7.5p at 396p
NH:
and that’s on the back of a note from Citigroup
NH:
which on first glance reads very positively
NH:
in fact it is almost a buy recommendation
NH:
but then analyst Thomas Singlehurst drops in this fact
NH:
that WPP usually underperforms between Jan and October every year
NH:
and you should avoid the stock
NH:
well the underlying stock anyway
NH:
and he comes up with a way to make money out of this seasonality
NH:
selling June calls I think
NH:
anyway, WPP has underperformed between Jan and Oct since 2002
NH:
admittedly not the biggest sample size in the world
NH:
We Like the Agency Business Model — We believe the agency business model
is better suited to recession than it was. Agencies are now better diversified
and the move to a fee-based model means revenue shortfalls can be adjusted
to. While WPP’s budget of a 2% organic revenue decline may be optimistic, the
aspiration of flat margins is not outlandish. Consensus estimates feel too low.
NH:
But Seasonality Suggests Now Is Not the Time to Buy WPP — £100 invested in
WPP shares on 1 January 2002 and held to today would be worth just £51.
£100 invested on 1 October each year and converted to cash the day after FY
results in Feb/March would be worth c. £198, >100% market outperformance.
We See No Reason Why 2009 Will Be Different — This pattern is driven in part
by the weighting of revenues to the 4Q, and by the reaction of consensus to
newsflow: a miss vs. budgets in 1Q-3Q translates immediately to a downgrade,
while over-delivery is often ‘held in reserve’ until the 4Q. We see no reason why
in 2009E, with the prospect of a weak 1H, this asymmetry won’t sustain.
NH:
Bad News: Downgrade to Hold — We like WPP as a business, and view
consensus estimates as too conservative. We even think WPP has a shot of
delivering its 09 EPS target of 60p (vs. CIRA 56p; cons. c.48p). At 7.1x 09E P/E,
valuation is low vs. absolute troughs and attractive vs. peers (esp. PUB) but
still off trough levels vs. the market. A tough 1H may provide a better entry point.
Good News: We See a Potential Option Strategy — For LT holders a potential
way of monetizing the anticipated seasonality is by selling June Calls (currently
priced 16p at a 440p strike). This increases the effective yield (by 4%) while
maintaining upside exposure to our new PT of 440p
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH:
well, the Aussie version of RAW
NH:
actually called that by their regulator
NH:
not sure the FSA has come up with a word for RAW
PM:
We could license RAW to the FSA perhaps
PM:
Or at least insist they have a little TM next it
PM:
Financial Rage stoppers!
PM:
Shaw Taylor — wehre are you ?
NH:
anyway not much Rumourtrage around this morning
NH:
but we have some updates on some stuff mentioned on Friday
NH:
Mecom have confirmed that they are looking at a rights issue
NH:
which is what

NH:
in fact he might have earned an upgrade for that
NH:
remember he was once ranked

NH:
keep up the good work
NH:
anyway, this rights issue
NH:
is to help in their refinancing discussions with their lenders
NH:
now, we heard on Friday that shareholders had indicated they would back a cash call
NH:
particularly if the company’s lenders took a slight hair cut on their debt
NH:
oh, they were up earlier
NH:
yes, yes, the market cap is very small
NH:
but there is not much around at the moment
NH:
although might be worth checking out Nexen this afternoon
NH:
that’s because there has been a big deal in the Canadian oil industry
NH:
between two oil sands players
NH:
SunCorp in advanced talks to buy it for $15bn in stock
PM:
This thing jsut pubbed on Lehman
PM:
Which apparently says that better communication is needed next time…
PM:
And, to answer Monkey below — we don’t know yet whether we have been short listed for a Webby — so no voting as yet
PM:
If we are shortlisted (unlikely) the bribes will be most attractive, i can assure you
NH:
let me guess – some Nomura branded goods
PM:
In one __ FABULOUS they are
PM:
And , just on th eoff chance, I wil be buying some drinks on Thursday at TARPy II
PM:
everyone welcome (i think)
PM:
Terrific gig organised by TB and Monkey — at the Enterprise Inn — Red Lion Square
PM:
Anythign to finish up on Neil??
NH:
a couple of things. some fallout from the collapse of Weavering
NH:
A decision has been taken to write down Signet Multi Manager SPC
Inc.’s portfolio investments in the Weavering Macro Fixed Income
Fund to zero. The Signet funds’ performance estimates for February
have been revised and these are shown on the Signet website
www.signetmanagement.com .
Note: The Signet Global Fixed Income Funds’ performance remains
positive and the amount for Signet Global Fixed Income Strategies
Limited the revised estimate for February is +0.52%.
Notwithstanding these writedowns we will be working closely with the
liquidator, PwC, and intend to explore other avenues, in order to
see what amounts, if any, are recoverable, directly or indirectly,
on behalf of our investors.
Any further information, of a material nature, will be provided to
shareholders once available.
Signet Capital Management Limited
Buchanan House,
NH:
been having a quick look at that
NH:
stock got whacked on Friday
NH:
it looked as if there was a big seller around
NH:
and the company does have a pre-close trading statement out this week
NH:
and don’t forget its biggest customer is M&S
NH:
whose foods business has been struggling
NH:
the shares have bounced back this morning
NH:
being helped by a push from RBS
NH:
A quick heads up on valuation and recent share price moves. On Friday Northern Foods fell 15% on heavy volume, with about 4 times average volume traded. It appears to us that someone is selling the stock aggressively ahead of Thursday, when they have their pre-close trading update (March year end). The most recent trading update was in January, when they said Christmas trading had been robust, and gave explicit PBT and EPS guidance.
NH:
Unless recent trading has absolutely fallen off a cliff, it seems there is little to justify this. The group gave the trading guidance 10 months into their year, after the crucial Christmas period, so we.re pretty confident they.ll hit numbers. If they do hit numbers (£46m PBT), then this would result in a normalised EPS of 5.1p, or 6.8p if you include the £8.5m of pension credit they.ll book this year.
This puts the shares on a March 09 PER of 4.5x, and an EV/EBITDA of 3.9x. The shares are currently yielding over 12%, and at 2.3x net debt / EBITDA whilst there is some debt, it doesn’t seem to be much cause for concern. The shares are currently trading at a 20% discount to the mid-cap food space, which seems unwarranted given that it’s got a diverse range of products, some of its products are branded (i.e. Goodfella.s pizza) and it isn’t over exposed to any one retailer. At these prices, the valuation looks to us very cheap. A trigger for rerating would be market
taking comfort from Thursday.s trading update
NH:
Just picked up a really bearish note on Brixton Estates
Brixton (BXTN:LSE): Last: 24.50, up 1 (+4.26%), High: 26.25, Low: 23.25, Volume: 2.11m
NH:
from Harm Meijer at JP Morgan
NH:
target price of just 18p
NH:
he is warning of a debt for equity swap
NH:
Brixton must take action to avoid breaching its Loan covenants (likely at
Jun-09) and its Bond covenants (likely at Dec-09), while it also has a
challenging debt maturity schedule to deal with. At the FY08 results
management said it is “exploring all options” but refused to discuss any
further. Brixton may overcome these obstacles, but in our view the risk is
high that this may come at a large cost to current shareholders. Brixton is
too hard to call with conviction, as we see a number of possible actions
which the company may follow. Considering these options, we arrive at a
probability-weighted Feb-10 PT of 18p which is based on the following
scenarios:
NH:
• 1. Debt/Equity swap the most likely road ahead in our view,
significantly diluting shareholders. A £300m debt/equity swap could
take our valuation down to 6p (73% downside). Similarly, a rescue
equity injection by a third party, for example private equity, would also
dilute current shareholders.
• 2. 37% upside possible with successful rights issue/equity placing.
However, this looks difficult given (i) £300m may need to be raised,
around 5 times the current market cap and shareholders may be
unwilling to take a 6-fold increase in holding (ii) investors may have
limited resources given the £2.5bn rights issues already announced (iii)
the discount to TERP would be poor (iv) finding an underwriter would
be challenging given the risks.
NH:
• 3. Bull case PT of 61p could be achieved with £550m disposals, which
could take end 09 gearing down to 120%. However, we think this option
looks extremely challenging in the current market, while it could create
negative valuation evidence and cause a sharp increase in vacancy.
• 4. Inaction is not an option, as by our estimates Brixton looks likely to
breach its 1.67x asset cover loan covenants at Jun-09 and its 175%
gearing limit bond covenants at Dec-09. We estimate an 8% fall in
values can be withstood before entering bond breach territory, while
interest rate declines from Dec-08 levels will exacerbate the situation.
Brixton also has a challenging debt maturity schedule, with £165m of
debt maturing this year, and £465m next year, a total of £645m (vs. net
debt of £862m).
PM:
Quick correction http://www.the-enterprise.co.uk/
PM:
Enterprise is on red Lion Streeet
NH:
finally, a quick M&A round up. Bowleven. It seems talks with the mystery party are progressing quite quickly
NH:
LONDON, March 23 (Reuters) – Bowleven Plc said an unnamed third party is carrying out due diligence after the African-focused oil and gas company announced last week it had received a possible cash takeover offer.
“They are a serious player and we are hopeful that it won’t be a long protracted affair,” Chief Executive Kevin Hart told Reuters on Monday.
The AIM-listed explorer, which has no revenue, earlier announced a swing to a six-month profit of $82.7 million from a loss of $6.6 million in the year-earlier period, helped by foreign exchange gains.
BowLeven (BLVN:LSE): Last: 112.25, up 1 (+0.90%), High: 116.00, Low: 112.25, Volume: 1.20m
NH:
and here’s a quick bit of comment from Evo Securities on Bowleven and the results which were out this morning
NH:
EVO TAKE – Bowleven’s interim results provided no further news on either the cash offer or a potential farm out of part of its Cameroon interests. Bowleven remains in no man’s land until either a cash offer of 150p/share materialises or a farm out deal is agreed for Cameroon. The cash offer looks too good to be true and like Bowleven’s management we would be minded to take it if it materialises. A farm out deal looks increasingly difficult considering that Bowleven wants to keep 50% and be fully carried for an exploration programme that could cost up to US$150m (perhaps less now rig rates are collapsing).
DETAILS – Bowleven reported a net profit of US$83m for the half year to 31 December 2008. The main contributor was financial income of US$88m and was due to a gain arising from recognition of foreign exchange differences on intra-group funding under IFRS (US$ strength relative to sterling). Admin costs were US$5.5m. Cash outflow was US$48m on exploration drilling activity on the Etinde permit. Group cash at the end of the half year was US$29m.
NH:
VALUATION AND RECOMMENDATION – The group cash pile is currently US$29m (23p/share) with no firm work commitments under any of its PSCs during 2009. Against the alternative high impact exploration choices in the sector Tullow and Heritage, investing in Bowleven is hard to justify other than for purely speculative reasons.
NH:
Venture Production trading through 800p
NH:
as the company meets Centrica, which raided the market for 23% last week
NH:
looks like a couple of shareholders will be holding out for 915p – the strike price on a CB
PM:
We are going to go now
PM:
Remember the Geithner plan comes out in 45 mins or so
PM:
Interesting to see the reaction
PM:
Right — thanks for all the comments
PM:
Save the Date — this thursday TARPy II — Enterprise — red lion street 6 onwards
PM:
But for today — we are off
PM:
back tomorrow at 11am