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Markets live transcript 20 Mar 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:09 on 20 Mar 2009. Participants in this chat were: Paul Murphy, FT (PM) Neil Hume, FT (NH)

PM:
Welcome!
PM:
It’s Friday
PM:
it’s 11.03
PM:
This is Markets Live – FT Alphaville’s daily market commentary
NH:
morning all
PM:
I think Neil is here also
PM:
yes he is
PM:
But he’s on the phone
PM:
Strange market this morning
PM:
equity market — everythign seems to be going in opposite directions
PM:
We could kick off with the wider market today
PM:
maybe
PM:
Hang on — we’ve just been distracted by Money is the Way
PM:
Neil is getting Fowked again…
NH:
I am
NH:
not sure what I have done wrong on this ocassion
NH:
I have not been rude to the Mail
NH:
it might have the Pandit post
NH:
in fact it will have been that
PM:
Yes, it will have been Pandit
NH:
we are not allowed to say nasty things about Bankers
NH:
if we do – we risk the wrath of fowke
NH:
and I wonder what he makes of the 90% tax bonus the House passed last night
PM:
lets move on
11:07AM
PM:
Wider market — where are we
NH:
we are down
NH:
off 15 points at 3,802
NH:
(very thoughtful Mr Fowke)
NH:
US markets, of course, took a pause for breath last night
11:09AM
PM:
Pause — neil has to check champ league draw
PM:
Neil cant find it
PM:
back to the market
PM:
US toook a pause for breath last night
NH:
it did
NH:
in fact everyone state side was more interested in events at the House of Representatives
NH:
where they approved this plan to tax IB bonuses at 90%
NH:
and I repeat – what does Mr Fowke think of that?
PM:
NH:
this is of course a way to claw back the cash being paid to the AIG folk
NH:
Villarreal v Arsenal
NH:
anyway,
NH:
the options expiry in Europe passed without any major drama
NH:
and it is the banks leading the market lower
NH:
HSBC has gone ex-rights pretty badly
NH:
off 27p at 365p
PM:
Big drop
NH:
but then it has had a good run
NH:
as has Barclays
NH:
and they are under the kosh too
NH:
down 3.9p at 108.6p
NH:
but then there is also a bearish note of Morgan Stanley
NH:
they have lowered their target price to 90p
NH:
here’s some highlights from the piece
NH:
by Michael Helsby
NH:
Our new forecasts suggest capital will need to be
addressed again in this cycle: While 1Q09 investment
banking trends are exceptionally strong, we do not think
they are sustainable and we lower our forecasts
materially, remaining cautious medium term. Rising bad
debts, further structured credit write-downs (we highlight
a £7bn risk) and falling core banking revenues look set
to erode Barclays’ capital buffer in 2009-11e. While
Barclays and the regulator have focused investor
attention on a 4% core Tier 1, a move to such levels
would not be accepted by the market.

NH:
We’ve analysed four scenarios that yield a value
range of 56-279p. It’s difficult to have conviction on an
investment thesis as Barclays has many options with
various outcomes. Thus we remain Equal-weight.

Base Case: Sale of iShares + £4bn capital increase:
Barclays has said it wants to avoid government
involvement. A sale of iShares would provide it with
headroom to avoid the APS and the reset of the MCN
(end June deadline). However, we worry that this would
not be enough and pencil in a further £4bn capital
increase in this cycle. Stressed book value = 145p.

NH:
Lloyds are holding up a bit better
NH:
i am pleased to say
NH:
up 1.6p at 56p
NH:
in spite of Jonathan Pierce at Credit Suisse downgrading
NH:
and he has gone down my estimation because of that
PM:
NH:
here’s the note
NH:
As discussed in our research, Value emerging… but we’re not there yet, 10th
March 2009, we believe the APS has “provided a level of certainty that
shareholders have not enjoyed since this crisis emerged”. We stand by this, but
believe the valuation is now getting stretched. Our trough NAV forecasts for
2011 are 36p on our stress test and 62p on our base case. We are now at the
top end of this. In present value terms our range is 27-47p, and the shares are
now 30% ahead of this. Put another way, the shares are trading on around 0.8
times our 2008E PF NAV and 1 times 2009E NAV.
NH:
Of course, in time one might argue that banks should trade ahead of book value.
We are not of that view yet. The Turner Review highlighted the prospect for
longer term capital and liquidity requirements, formulaically driven, which could
hold banks back for a period post the worst of the downturn. In addition, LBG
has a 178% LTV ratio, a bigger structural issue than the other European banks.
Near term, we also estimate that 35% of LBG pre-provision profit comes from
deposit revenues – in time asset yields will offset some of the pressure, but we
expect a notable decline in margin in 2009. Then there’s the £4bn open offer at
38.43p. We don’t know exactly when this will be launched but at some point
during H1 2009 we expect 6bn ordinary shares to be offered 36% below where
shares are currently trading. In the context of 9.5bn shares currently in free-float,
this is quite significant in our view. We are comfortable with LBG post APS, but
on valuation grounds we put a Trading Sell on Lloyds. Our price target is 40p.
NH:
Credit Suisse has also downgraded Standard Chartered
NH:
STAN:LSE
Standard Chartered (STAN:LSE): Last: 877.50, down 32.5 (-3.57%), High: 902.00, Low: 858.00, Volume: 9.54m
NH:
We recommend selling Standard Chartered following the recent
market rally – the stock has increased by 52% since FY results on 3rd
March leaving the stock trading on 1.7x 2009E TNAV. We believe that this
premium valuation is at risk given the slowdown in Asia. Four of Standard’s
main operating economies (Hong Kong, Singapore, Korea and Taiwan)
actually saw GDP fall in Q4 08. Against this backdrop, we find it difficult to
see revenue growth in 2009. Wholesale has been a key driver of the group
and in particular note that ALM, corporate finance and rates accounted for
67% of wholesale revenue growth in 2008 and 56% of group revenue
growth.
NH:
While wholesale has had a strong start to the year, we continue to
question the sustainability of revenues from these business lines through
2009 and see yoy revenues flat at best. What’s more we see a risk that the
consumer business is at best break even through further revenue pressure
and higher impairments – note that Hong Kong unemployment increased to
5.0% in the 3 months to February from 4.6% in 3 months to January. Given
this risk, we think that a 1.7x TNAV multiple is too high for a predominantly
wholesale business.
11:14AM
NH:
trying to get the full CL draw
NH:
and god the BBC site is slow
NH:
supposed to be a live blog from the draw
NH:
and they are minutes behind
NH:
would neve happen with ML
NH:
Villarreal v Arsenal
Manchester United v FC Porto
Liverpool v Chelsea
Barcelona v Bayern Munich
NH:
anyway
NH:
could’nt be happier with that
NH:
well, Moan Utd could have got Barca
NH:
not the easy draw with Porto
NH:
but then it is probably fixed
11:16AM
11:16AM
PM:
People are asking below about the competition results
PM:
Right – time for an updated
PM:
I know lots of people are questioning the two stress test metrics revealed here on a RAW basis.
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
PM:
ie, not confirmed.
PM:
50% fall for house prices, peak to trough
PM:
And a 16 % fall in GDP peak to trough
PM:
Now…
PM:
1. Remember these are STRESS tests, not FORECASTS.
PM:
2. These are not the stress tests from October – these are new tests carried out as part of the GAPS
PM:
3. No, I don’t know what the other stress test metrics are
PM:
Yet
PM:
And I don’t know whether there were bands of possibilities either.
NH:
You don’t know much Murph.
NH:
Is it true someone “official” rang you up and complained you were trying to bring the system down again?
PM:
Er, yeah, but we’re not going into detail about that.
PM:
Because this is all about NOMURA and the terrific presents we’ve got to give away.
PM:
This is an ongoing celebration of the fact that our of the smouldering ruins of Lehman in London, we have a terrific newly strengthened IB team called Nomura.
NH:
Anyway – on to the competition results.
PM:
We had one reader claim the top prize
PM:
Happyinthehazeofadrunkenhour… Mar 19 12:00
50, 16 resp did i win?
NH:
So nice try on Happyinthehazeofadrunkenhour
NH:
Here’s what he/she actually picked
NH:
Happyinthehazeofadrunkenhour… Mar 19 11:07
25, 4 resp
PM:
Tut tut
PM:
PM:
No Nomura goodies for you!
PM:
Fact is no one got the combination of 50 and 16
PM:
In fact, no one got 16 for GDP, although a number of people did get 50% for the drop in house prices.
PM:
So we have SIX lucky people who are EACH going to get a brilliant Nomura prize.
NH:
good, we need to get rid of some of this tat. can’t get to my desk
PM:
Neil! It’s brilliant stuff
PM:
PM:
Anyway – to the winners
PM:
Step forward….
PM:
loafer Mar 19 11:29
Q1 -50%
Q2 -12.5%
PM:
Monkey Mar 19 11:17
1.50% 2. 5%

PM:
Nately Mar 19 11:09
ML bingo.

They’ll be far too optimistic on GDP – say minus 6%. And a bit more dramatic on house prices – minus 50%?

PM:

coldlondon Mar 19 11:07
50%, 10%

PM:

infiniti Mar 19 11:07
50% -10%

PM:

SoS Mar 19 11:06
50% 6%

PM:
A prize for each of you.
PM:
Not sure what we are going to give you, kinda spoilt for choice.
PM:
Actually, if you have a preference, say….
PM:
Golf balls, golf tees, one umbrella (Throg’s getting the other one)
NH:
A man bag!
NH:
A basepall cap – very William Hague this one
NH:
Or a tee shirt.
PM:
You cant’ have one of the books, cos they are work hundreds of pound and we are going to work out how to do a charity thing with them.
PM:
And we’ve also got two amazing Multi-city time readers.
PM:
These look really flash but we haven’t worked out what they are yet – so you are not getting one of those.
PM:
But you will be getting a special piece of Nomura-branded stuff.
PM:
If you want your present sent to you, email me – paul.murphy@ft.com
NH:
Or if you are going to the TARPy – next Thursday, I can bring along then
NH:
and can Monkey remind people where the TARPYII is
NH:
and we would love to see Mr Fowke at this event. Put a name to the face.
PM:
hmmm
PM:
certainly
PM:
but let’s move on
PM:
We’ll have a fresh comp very soon
11:24AM
PM:
What’s gold doing??
NH:
well, it has been all over teh place in the past couple of days
NH:
slipped a bit this morning after a big rally yesterday
PM:
955
PM:
ON MY SCREEN
PM:
sorry for shouting
PM:
How abotu currencies — any fresh swings??
NH:
cable rate is $1.4451
NH:
but a euro will buy 0.9395p
NH:
as for eur/dollar
NH:
that’s at 1.3583
NH:
actually on gold
NH:
have a note out of Citigroup
NH:
Investment boom — Gold has broken out from its conventional drivers (weak US$
and inflation) as investors rush for safety, reflected by record levels of ETF holdings.
Gold is a crowded trade at present; however, we expect the market to remain robust
as long as economic and financial risks remain paramount
NH:
Price changes — We have made modest increases to our gold prices of 4% to
US$856/oz in 2009E and 3% to US$925/oz in 2010E. We have increased silver by
25% to $12.5/oz in 2009E and 13% to $13.6/oz in 2010E.
NH:
Medium term outlook less bullish — Other than investment demand gold
fundamentals are not supportive. Gold jewellery sales continue to fall and scrap
flows are increasing. A return in risk appetite and / or improvement in other asset
classes could result in an unwind of investment buying and put considerable
downward pressure on the gold price. However, we do not expect this in 2009/10.
NH:
Equity strategy — Swings in risk aversion and potential seasonal weakness in Q2/3
could lead to short term corrections; we would view these as sensible buying
opportunities for the gold equities. We continue to favour companies that have
volume growth, balance sheet / cash flow strength and asset quality
NH:
Fresnillo BUY (1M) — Fresnillo remains our top pick in the UK precious metal
sector due to its strong balance sheet, high quality assets, volume growth in the
medium term and reasonable valuation.
NH:
Randgold HOLD (2H) — RRS is one of our favoured stocks from an operational and
growth point of view. We expect volume to close to double over the next three years
and the company is in a strong balance sheet position. However, we believe much
of the upside is priced in and we await a more attractive entry point
PM:
thanks for that
11:27AM
NH:
for those wanting directions to the TARPy II
NH:
here they are
NH:
The Enterprise
38 Red Lion Street
Holborn
London
WC1R 4PN
PM:
Kick off time?
NH:

Tel: 02074048461
Email: nick@the-enterprise.co.uk
NH:
The Enterprise is situated at the north end of Red Lion Street which runs between High Holborn and Theobalds Road, very close to Lambs Conduit Street and Holborn police Station.

Holborn Tube station and Chancery Lane Tube station are both 5 min walk or you can catch a 19, 38, 55 or 243 bus from the stop just around the corner on Theobalds Road.

NH:
not sure what time it starts at
NH:
6.30pm?
NH:
and everyone is invited
PM:
Very good of TB and Monkey to organise
PM:
Cos we cant organise anything
11:29AM
PM:
okay….
PM:
RAW TIME
NH:
well, lots of rights issue rumours doing the rounds this morning
NH:
not sure how seriously I would take any of them
NH:
for example, Tesco
PM:
what needing a rights issue?
PM:
I don’t think so
NH:
well it is doing the rounds
NH:
actually here is the rumour
NH:
We are hearing that all is not well with Tesco debt funding…
- At 68% geared, Tesco has been funding the offshore growth story for years & yet the unthinkable is possibly happening, the same banks that Tesco is in competition with could be making life considerably more difficult.
- TSCO’s Overseas growth is funded largely in £’s. In contrast, be it USA, or Asia, the revenue in the growth areas does not cover the overheads, so the shortfall is made up by its £ borrowing.
- If it stops funding this growth, it could then be rated as ex-growth.
- If it keeps funding, which is axiomatic to its plans, it needs more cash, therefore, the need for a massive cash call whilst the enviroment allows.
- Just like the banks which one would have thought, they were too big to wobble, this is exactly the same….watch out…
Tesco (TSCO:LSE): Last: 324.90, down 4 (-1.22%), High: 329.70, Low: 321.10, Volume: 18.41m
NH:
as are rumours that National Grid and International Power need to tap their shareholders for cash
NH:
although I think these rumours seems to be based on notes from Credit Suisse and Mirabaud respectively
NH:
oh
NH:
and there is also a view in the market
NH:
that Cookson did not raise enough cash in its recent capital raise
NH:
and will have to come back cap in hand to shareholders
PM:
hmmmm — those are all pretty red raw Neil
NH:
they are. I know. don’t shoot the messenger
PM:
Cookson specifically?
NH:
here’s the workings of one analyst on this rumour
NH:
a 15% fall in sales could lead to a 44% decline in EBITDA in 2009 which would bring net debt/EBITDA ratio close to 3.5x. The covenant ratio now tightens to 3x by June 2010, and a 30% decline in EBITDA from 2008 levels may be enough to breach this.
PM:
not sure that would go down very well
NH:
oh there is one other rumour
NH:
and I reckon there could be something in this given the source
NH:
actually I say that
PM:
Bandit rating???
NH:
well he used to be a 2
NH:
but then got crunched
NH:
so a five, round about now
NH:
NH:
anyway he hears that Mecom is considering a capital raise
PM:
Mecom?????
NH:
and has met with a good response from shareholders
NH:
what ever it is they are planning it is three times oversubscribed, apparently
PM:
NH:
mind you
NH:
it might pay to be wary of this story
NH:
Mecom is in something of a tight spot as this recent report in the FT shows
NH:
Mecom has warned of increasingly uncertain advertising markets in the first weeks of 2009, prompting a sharp fall in its battered share price.
The European newspaper company, headed by David Montgomery, the former Mirror Group chief, said it would have to make more cost cuts to offset shortfalls in advertising revenue.
The group also confirmed that it would be in breach of its banking covenants by the end of March unless it could renegotiate the terms of its debt with lenders.
NH:
If it cannot, it will face a funding shortfall of £606.6m, including a £30.6m loan that must be repaid by April 12.
Mecom has been in talks with banks for several months and hopes the sale of its German media operations for £136m and of three newspaper houses in Norway for £66.7m will help bring the debt to more manageable levels.
Mecom Group (MEC:LSE): Last: 5.46, up 0.96 (+21.33%), High: 6.00, Low: 4.50, Volume: 11.00m
PM:
okay
11:34AM
PM:
anything else moving?
NH:
a few things
NH:
but I just wanted to flag this up first
NH:
short interest in Marks & Spencer
NH:
rising sharply, apparently
PM:
I am not surprised
PM:
I mean what are the shares doing at 270p
PM:
Big rally recently
NH:
indeed
PM:
things can’t have got any easier on the high street
NH:
but , Lord Rose remains upbeat
NH:
here’s what he said to Reuters yesterday
NH:
London, March 20 – The slide in British consumer confidence appears to be levelling out, but it is too early to predict a recovery, Stuart Rose, the executive chairman of retailer Marks & Spencer, said on Thursday.
NH:
“(There may be) a beginning of a plateauing out of people’s lack of confidence,” Rose told the Retail Week conference on Thursday, adding most Britons in work were better off following a string of big interest rate cuts.
NH:
However, consumers remained worried about job security, falling house prices and prospects for the global economy, and there was no sign these concerns were abating, he added.

Rose declined to discuss current trading at Britain’s biggest clothing retailer ahead of a fourth-quarter update on March 31, but said the firm had seen “some attrition” in business and there had been some “self-inflicted” problems.

NH:
M&S, which also sells food and homewares, posted a 7.1 percent drop in sales at stores open at least a year in the 13 weeks to Dec. 27, its fiscal third quarter. A steep decline in the value of sterling in recent months was “very, very unhelpful,” Rose said, adding there were “relentless inflationary pressures coming through” that will lead to some higher prices.
PM:
Anyway — what’ about this short position
NH:
well the market is not as bullish as Mr Rose about M&S
NH:
I can’t put up the graphic I have
NH:
but from the text you can guess what is going on
NH:
Below is the chart for the short position in MKS – as you can see the shorts have aggressively re-entered this stock over the course of the last few days and it now stands at the highest level in 2 years. No doubt some of them would have lost their conviction on the jump yesterday but I would be wary getting carried away with its rise thinking this is the start of a brave new dawn…
PM:
(WF — re HF collapse — see http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/982b4e44-14ce-11de-8cd1-0000779fd2ac.html )
PM:
Short position seems to be about 9 per cent of market cap on loan
11:37AM
PM:
The Weavering collapse looks v interesting
PM:
Think there is plenty of juicy detail to come out of that
NH:
I reckon the statement from the accountants is worth putting up
PM:
Sam put it up on the home page
PM:
AV home
NH:
but the readers might not have seen it
PM:
PWC statement
NH:
20/03/2009 09:01
Weavering Macro Fixed Income Fund Limited – in liquidation
NH:
Insolvency practitioners from PricewaterhouseCoopers have been appointed as liquidators of Weavering Macro Fixed Income Fund Limited (‘the Fund’), a hedge fund specialising in fixed income investments. This follows the announcement by the Fund on 11 March 2009 of its decision to suspend redemptions and an investigation into a large interest rate swap position with a company controlled by a related party.

Matthew Wilde, partner and head of PwC’s Hedge Fund restructuring team, said:

“Over the period since early November 2008, the Fund had received redemption requests exceeding US$223million but could only meet US$90million of these. With a further wave of provisional redemptions of up to US$65million in the pipeline, the directors of the Fund called us in to look at the options.

NH:
The resolution to wind-up the Fund was made after a brief review concluded that its balance sheet value, most recently US$506m, was almost entirely dependent on the value of a series of interest rate swaps, totalling US$637m, which had been struck with a company which was revealed to be a related to the Fund manager and that lacked the value necessary to support the swaps. This left the Fund with no reasonable prospect of paying its debts and no option but to request that liquidators be appointed”.
NH:
Mr Wilde continued:

“It appears likely that there will be a very substantial shortfall to the Fund’s creditors and its remaining shareholder investors may be left with little. It is clear that there is much to be understood about the circumstances of these trades and creditors and shareholders will soon be advised of details of a meeting of creditors to which the liquidators will report their findings”.

NH:
as you can see, this one looks to be pretty serious
PM:
hmmm
11:39AM
NH:
right
NH:
an interesting survey has just appeared in my inbox
NH:
Chinese buyers to snap-up bargains
Deloitte survey shows UK companies are a key target for Chinese acquirers
NH:
some M&A!
NH:
Chinese companies are seeking to make the most of current market turmoil, with almost two thirds planning to buy over the next two years, according to a survey conducted by Deloitte, the business advisory firm.

Of the companies surveyed at events held in London this week for Chinese executives, the majority have not completed acquisitions before. Despite this, a total of 62% intend to look at acquisition opportunities (33% plan large strategic deals, and 29% are looking for bolt-ons). Europe is the preferred region for M&A investment, with the UK a favourite for purchases.

NH:
Cahal Dowds, head of M&A advisory at Deloitte comments: “It’s clear that Chinese buyers are likely to be keen acquirers of UK businesses over the coming years. When we asked clients what the drivers behind their interests are, the desire to acquire brands and technology ranked highly, alongside the obvious benefits of growing turnover through geographical expansion. Whilst many other buyers have lost their taste for deal making, the Chinese remain hungry.”
11:42AM
PM:
Happy go lucky – very occasionally
PM:
Am told that Slackbelly has breaking media news
NH:
readers beware – this one is for the media village
PM:
Well, this guy one o fthe great City editors of modern times
NH:
and an Alpha fan
PM:
Collins reaches out for new opportunity
What now for Neil Collins? I hear that the very godfather of modern financial journalism is leaving the Evening Standard, the victim, perhaps, of a recent Russian coup.
After twenty years duffing up chief executives as City editor of the Daily Telegraph, and a few more writing a punchy column at the Evening Standard, Collins knew to expect a few hits back.
He is, as they say, available for hire. Might fresh opportunities present themselves in some of Collins’s pet areas – such as our economy’s only growth sector?
PM:
Neil was my boss at the Telegraph for six years
PM:
Six terrifying years
PM:
he was very good — just terrifying to work for
NH:
he came in once, to see how AV worked
NH:
and do an ML
NH:
not sure what he made of it
NH:
we did get a huge puff in the Spectator out of it
PM:
11:45AM
PM:
Talking of plugs
PM:
quick puff for a new web service
PM:
It’s a content sharing sight focused on finance and economics
PM:
I think it’s rather good.
NH:
Yeah, but that’s because your mate Azeem launched it.
PM:
Well I still think it is rather good, though I haven’t had time to play around with it properly
PM:
Only just got going – but there is a good spread of stuff on it already
PM:
Stuff you would not necessarily seen, like
PM:
Why money messes with your mind – from the new scientist
PM:
Dough, wonga, greenbacks, cash. Just words, you might say, but they carry an eerie psychological force. Chew them over for a few moments, and you will become a different person. Simply thinking about words associated with money seems to makes us more self-reliant and less inclined to help others. And it gets weirder: just handling cash can take the sting out of social rejection and even diminish physical pain.
This is all the stranger when you consider what money is supposed to be. For economists, it is nothing more than a tool of exchange that makes economic life more efficient. Just as an axe allows us to chop down trees, money allows us to have markets that, traditional economists tell us, dispassionately set the price of anything from a loaf of bread to a painting by Picasso. Yet money stirs up more passion, stress and envy than any axe or hammer ever could. We just can’t seem to deal with it rationally… but why?
PM:
Long article there on split personalities and why some people go crazy over money.
NH:
People going crazy over money, surely not.
11:48AM
NH:
Morgan Stanley strategy note out today.
PM:
Teun?
NH:
Er no—it’s there down under guy gerrard Minack
PM:
Hey, its an email discussion
PM:
Most Morgan Stanley strategists are skeptical about
the current rally in equities. We are, however,
debating its significance. Here’s an email discussion:

NH:
Most MOST strategists
PM:
Greg Peters: I am having a hard time seeing this rally sticking in equities. Mortgage-related products have continued to trade down (all-time lows), credit spreads are weaker, and LIBOR markets continue to see steady deterioration. Yet stocks are rallying (Exhibit 1). I really
don’t understand how this rally in stocks can be sustained – unless these important risk measures are incorrect. What gives?
PM:
Joachim Fels: Could this be the excess liquidity created by near-ZIRP and, more importantly, quantitative easing? This has to go somewhere. It’s natural that people won’t go back into the stuff that got us into trouble in the first place (mortgages, credit, etc.), and stocks are a simple product that people understand. (See Show Me the Money, 11 March and Exhibit 2.)
PM:
Jason Todd: The rally coincided with positive comments from bank CEOs (Messrs Pandit, Dimon, and Lewis) that set the financials off. To Greg’s point, I think disconnects go even further. If
concerns about growth have fallen, then I’m surprised the USD has held in so well, that the VIX remains so elevated, and investment-grade credit spreads have done little since the rally that ended in January. Moreover, precious metals remain reasonably well bid, while base metals have not really participated. Similarly, the traditional high-beta sectors and markets (SOX, Tech hardware, Asian tech-heavy markets) have not been strong outperformers since the S&P 500 troughed (yes, they have on a year-to-date basis, but we are talking about the past two weeks). Industrials have rallied hard (+13%), but GE is up 40% and accounts for a lot of this. Lastly, if the US benefited from riskaversion flows as a large-cap growth market and outperformed Europe this year, despite being the cause of many problems, I am yet to see a reversal in this trend (Asia aside).

PM:
Hey, we could just AV- bot this – and sit back and have a coffee or something
How new meeja!
NH:
We could
PM:

Ted Wieseman: I’m puzzled about how all these banks can be saying they’re going to make money in Q1 (which appears to have been a key driver of the stock rally) given what’s been going on in these various markets. Are they only talking about operating results? Because the Q1 mark-to-market for commercial real estate, subprime, leveraged loans, et al. look ike they’re just going to be brutal based on the various Markit derivatives’ year-to-date performance.
PM:

Greg Peters: Bingo – and credit spreads for financials are wider, too (which perversely boosts earnings). The fact is that all these products are trading off due to policy uncertainty, etc. Yet the financial stocks – which are essentially a roll-up of these products – are higher. That makes very little sense.
PM:
Dave Greenlaw: But isn’t the value of the equity component of most of the financials now so small that it essentially represents a call option? The value of that option has risen due to: 1) CEOs and others noting that core business is profitable (as our US bank analyst, Betsy Grasek, has been emphasizing);
And 2) because Bernanke and other policymakers have effectively ruled out nationalization, so equity holders may be able to ride out further write-downs. (It’s worth noting that the policy message on nationalization has not ruled out the possibility that private equity holders will be wiped out, but this has been lost in the shuffle). The positive spin has been self-reinforcing in the equity world,
and you wind up with the big disconnect.

PM:
Still, I’m getting more and more worried that the political climate will limit the ability of the government to continue to inject capital into the financial system as write-downs inevitably mount in response to deteriorating credit. This is highlighted by the type of indexes that Ted cites which are likely to continue to move lower as long as the real economy is getting worse.

PM:
Laurence Mutkin: The S&P 500 (SPX) can rally to as high as 900-1000 without breaking the bear trend, so it’s not surprising you have lots of asset classes still looking sick even as stocks go up. The fact is that stocks still are sick; they just happen to be going up But stocks, being the longest-duration assets, can discount an eventual far-in-the-future improvement even though shorterduration assets like credit, mortgages, and (certainly) LIBOR can’t – they’re just not long-duration enough. This suggests
you can reconcile the ‘disconnect’ if you recognize it in terms of stocks looking farther out (beyond the recession) than many other asset classes can.

PM:
Gerard Minack: I’d rate this as a standard bear-market rally. We always need to be ready to call a more significant low in equities, of course. But the give-away signs for me are the sector performance and the speed. At the sector level, we’re seeing what has fallen the fastest bounce the hardest. Classic
short-covering/bear-market behaviour. Speed is important: The fastest rallies are bear-market rallies.
Bear-market rallies are normal. Exhibit 3 is from Parin Gandhi. Compare this bear cycle and the last one. We’ve seen almost as many bear-market rallies in this cycle as in the last one, although this bear market is (so far) a lot shorter.

PM:
Actually, it goes on for another 1000 words or so.
NH:
Yeah, turn the AV-bot off
PM:
off now
11:51AM
PM:
what have we got for the last leg today?
PM:
Er…
PM:
I see Yell and Regus are both up
NH:
yep
NH:
Yell
NH:
big overhang cleared
NH:
think most of the business was finished off yesterday
NH:
after the market closed last night Axa revealed a reduced holding of 9m shares
NH:
down from 104m previously
Yell Group (YELL:LSE): Last: 13.50, up 1.5 (+12.50%), High: 14.75, Low: 11.75, Volume: 25.49m
NH:
as for Regus, that’s down to results
PM:
wot!?
PM:
this is a serviced office company
PM:
serviced offices aren’t cheap
PM:
therefore people won’t use them in a downturn
PM:
regus does best when companies are starting up
NH:
well, the results have impressed
NH:
shares currently up 12.75p at 62.75p
NH:
and the results look pretty good
NH:
slightly ahead of expectations, apparently
NH:
look at this from Singer Capital Markets
NH:
it provides a good summary
NH:
REGUS (Buy, PT: 95p): FY’08 Results – Cash Balance Soars
Regus reported FY’08 results slightly ahead of market expectations. Revenues were up 25% to £1.08bn versus our forecast of £1.03bn. Divisional operating profit rose to £147.4m, ahead of a consensus estimate of £144.8m, (our forecast of £150m). On the key metrics, we note that mature occupancy levels fell to 86% for the FY, versus 86.9% in H1, with the UK bearing the brunt of the drop. We were forecasting a fall to 83% in H2, so the implied 85% for H2 is ahead of expectations and highlights the robust performance of the mature portfolio. We note an increase in the FY’08 dividend of 80% to 1.8p, well ahead of our top of the range forecast of 1.5p – the shares now yield 3.6% – we believe the dividend increase is a very positive signal.
NH:
The cash position has improved to £211m versus our forecast of £170m, and now represents 45% of the market capitalisation. The beat versus our estimates has come from higher customer deposits, better rent-free period and capital contributions from landlords, and also FX. This should provide investors with far greater comfort about Regus’s ability to weather the macroeconomic storm.

On a geographic basis, EMEA was the strongest performer, with revenues up 33% and a gross margin of 34.8%, up from the 33.4%. This performance reflects a strong performance maintained in the region throughout the year. The UK margin fell to 14% in H2, versus 22% a year ago, due to price initiatives and greater deals with landlords featuring upfront rent free period deals, which feature lower margins.

NH:
Outlook – suitably cautious as we expected, with signs that the key indicators across the majority of markets have weakened, reflecting Regus’s late cycle model. However, we believe this is currently catered for in consensus estimates, which is currently factoring in a drop in EBIT to £108m for FY’09 – down 27% YoY. This compares to our forecast of £120m. We believe that within the orderbook, there are signs that the UK has stabilised somewhat.
Valuation – the shares are trading on a cash adjusted FY’09 PE of 2.9x (5.4x reported).
NH:
and here’s some stuff from KBC Peel Hunt
NH:
RGU has reported 22p per share of cash and continuing
cash generation in its FY2008 results. Although we expect
earnings to fall into 2010, with high operational gearing
giving low visibility, the value is good. We retain our
through-the-cycle fair value of 99p, which with an
EV/EBITDA of 1.7x and a PER of 6.0x is attractive. We
upgrade to a BUY.
NH:
FY2008 results PBT has been reported at £149m, ahead of our last £140m
expectation, but within the market range (and within the range we have held
since August 2006). Revenue of £1.08bn is close to our £1.06bn forecast. A low
tax rate of 23% vs 27% expected meant that EPS 11.8p.
 Outlook. The outlook statement is a little thin, mentioning simply that there is a
softening in occupancy and price. We understand that enquiry rates in Q1 2009
are holding up at Q4 2008 levels, which itself showed no downturn from the
three preceding quarters. Conversion rates we presume will have slowed, but
still this is encouraging. Informal guidance is towards £110m, but the range is
wide. We use this number for the present, 8.4p per share. Perhaps the best
guide to sentiment is that the dividend has been increased 80% to 1.8p.
NH:
Cash flow still attractive Cash Flow from Operations in H2 2008 of £126m
compares to our expected £120m, close to the level of H1 2008 (£123m). This,
coupled with forex movements (£10m est) and a big increase in customer
deposits (£20m better than expected), enabled net cash to hit £210m at yearend,
against our expectation of £180m and the £160m reported at the end of
October. Most telling is that net cash now exceeds customer deposits received
for the first time since 2003, by £36m, giving a buffer in the case of working
capital reversals.
 Valuation. We retain our through-the-cycle fair value of 99p, based on long-term
normalised margins. The EV/EBITDA of 1.7x and a PER of 6.0x is attractive.
11:57AM
NH:
a few people asking about Lamprell
NH:
big profit warning today
NH:
oil field services company
NH:
down 22.5p at 61p
NH:
a drop of 26%
NH:
some reaction
NH:
Trading update highlights an in line performance for 08 but with 09 outturn “significantly below market expectations”
¨ New build provides c65% revenue visibility on our existing revenues forecast of £645m.
¨ Whilst the rig refurbishment market has been busy in 09 to date expectations are for this to slowdown in the second half of 09.
¨ Other areas of the business have experienced a “marked slowdown” recently
NH:
Finals are due on 30 March at which point a more detailed update will be provided.
¨ At the finals our attention will also focus on the new build (associated stage payments) and Lamprell’s current own cash position (Arden estimate $40-45m at Dec 08), given we understand one new build customers latest stage payment has yet to be received.
¨ We expect the stock to be weaker on this announcement despite its low rating, particularly given strength over last few days.
¨ Forecasts and Neutral recommendation under review – pending discussions with management
NH:
that was from Arden
NH:
and will see if there is anything else
NH:
bear with me
NH:
here’s some stuff from Citigroup
NH:
Lamprell this morning announced its 2009 results would be significantly
below market expectations after a marked slowdown in recent weeks.
 The company said despite a significant order book, its operations had
slowed except for its rig refurbishment business, which remained busy.
However, it said it anticipated the rig business would also slow in the second
half.
 The company also said results for 2008, which will be released on March 30,
would be in line with market expectations (PBT of £96m).
PM:
thanks for that
12:02PM
PM:
Now, before we go
PM:
Our lunch spot today comes courtesy of the Guardian
PM:
One source has described the activities of the Cow Eating Club, a group of structured financiers across the industry who would get together for lunch on occasions at a French restaurant near Smithfield market in London called Le Café du Marche. Here the bankerswould each order a whole cote de boeuf, marked on the menu as for a minimum of two people, and wash it down with a bottle of vintage red wine.
NH:
can I have the whole cow please
PM:
Le Café du Marche is a lovely place
NH:
it is
PM:
How a weakness for cote de boeuf grows to being in a cow eating club beats me
PM:
As for vintage red wine…
PM:
What other type is there?
NH:
actually that Guardian piece is interesting
PM:
Zoomy boy — charterhouse sq
NH:
although there are some odd phrases in it – market equities anyone??
PM:
Oh yeah ! market equiteis
PM:
bit like market vegitables
NH:
but it does paint a picture of life within SCM division
NH:
can you post some more paul
NH:
High stakes poker games, a “cow eating club”, brutal sackings and a team-building exercise in which an executive was strapped into a mock electric chair.

This was at the heart of this week’s legal battles over tax avoidance, according to whistleblowers. They paint a picture of life in which summary dismissal, ritual humiliation, and social events to match the tales of famous banking excesses in the 1980s, are the norm.

The sources say this management culture has been integral to creating what is in effect a tax avoidance factory at Barclays headquarters at Canary Wharf. Avoiding tax by exploiting legal loopholes was not seen as something questionable but rather the raison d’etre of the Structured Capital Markets department. “There’s such a macho culture in SCM and the deals are so big you never say billion or million, you just say 16 bucks or 16 quid which meant billion,” one source said. “The tax avoidance was so big it became the engine of growth for the whole of the investment banking arm.”

NH:
The energy to keep creating new trades that could allegedly generate hundreds of millions in tax profits came in part from fear. Roger Jenkins, the chief executive of the SCM division, is said to have called in senior directors to announce that he was about to fire one of themon the basis of what deals they went out to do next. “It wasn’t a joke, he meant it,” the source said.

On several occasions, the sources allege, staff have come in to work to find an email from Jenkins saying a colleague no longer worked there. Sackings, which might be provoked by nothing more than failure to understand the unwritten rules of deference to the hierarchy, involved being marched out of the building by security guards.The office is reportedly rife with internal politics. In one example, a managing director who bought himself a Bentley was told by Jenkins that it was a very nice car, too nice in fact for Jenkins to want to see it outside the office. Thereafter the executive’s chauffeur would drop him out of sight around the corner. According to one whistleblower, a secretary was fired by another executive for booking a taxi that was a Volvo rather than an S class Mercedes.

NH:
While Jenkins excels at corporate politics, he is now increasingly taken up with Middle Eastern operations. The brains of the SCM division are said to be Iain Abrahams. A tall Scot , Abrahams has recently been elevated to chief risk officer. Insiders refer to him as “Abes” and describe him as “very, very clever, with an encyclopaedic knowledge of tax and accounting law”.

The most lurid tales come from team-building away-days. Free cigars and champagne would apparently flow and at night poker tables would be set up. “There’s a babies’ table and a big boys’ table. The big boys’ table was all about showing who has got the biggest dick. Jenkins and Abes were said to have a couple of hundred thousand pounds on a hand between them. One executive made the mistake of beating Jenkins. He later said his bonus was reduced by the amount of his poker winnings.”

On one away day, according to sources, Abrahams came on to the platform dressed in a Las Vegas showman’s costume. Behind him were a series of props hidden behind sheets. One was an electric chair. As he strapped a director in, he had the line from the rock song that goes ‘I hate you and I hope you die’ playing. It was part humiliation, part making the point that anyone who gives away Barclays’ secret ‘know-how’ on these deals would get it.” Abrahams, according to one whistleblower, was also responsible for running projects that were kept completely under wraps, even from other members of the team. “A couple of executors would go missing for a while to work on them and were always very reluctant to talk when they came back. They were said to be deals for huge amounts, but it was all very secretive. The SCM file room has a locked file and you never find out what is in it.” Some aspects of this culture were not exclusive to Barclays. One source has described the activities of the Cow Eating Club, a group of structured financiers across the industry who would get together for lunch on occasions at a French restaurant near Smithfield market in London called Le Café du Marche. Here the bankerswould each order a whole cote de boeuf, marked on the menu as for a minimum of two people, and wash it down with a bottle of vintage red wine.

NH:
are we done??
PM:
yeah, think so
PM:
Thanks for joining today — adn thanks for some lively sessions this week
NH:
oh I have one more thing. an interesting note from Cazenove on HSBC
NH:
trying to evaluate how much it could lose from the run off of Household
NH:
here’s the piece
NH:
HSBC Finance impairment will be primarily driven by US unemployment trends, and the latest
jobless claims data was in line with market expectations (source: Bloomberg). Nonetheless, the
severity of the US recession remains an unknown, and determining expected loss at HSBC
Finance is critical to evaluating the group’s fortunes. We believe the group is able to withstand a
wide range of even more pessimistic outcomes than is reflected in our existing estimates:
NH:
Our existing estimates are based on US unemployment reaching 9.5% by mid 2010E. We
estimate every 100bp increase in the rate over the next two years increases HSBC Finance
annual impairment by US$1.25bn pretax and reduces 2010E equity tier 1 by c.10bp.
The coverage of “at risk” loans is substantial following reserves increases in 2008: 104% on
the runoff book and more than 400% on the credit card book. We assume balance sheet
provisions remain unused, which adds a potential degree of conservatism to our estimates in
later years.
Retained losses at HSBC Finance will require the injection of more group capital over the next
two years, but this is reflected in our estimates of the group equity tier 1 ratio declining from
8.6% (pro forma 2008) to 7.3% by the end of 2010E.
NH:
Valuation & recommendation
We expect HSBC to take market share in the economic downturn. In our view, concerns over the
group’s relative capital strength have been addressed (yet they persist elsewhere in the sector).
We believe the valuation of 1.20x 2009E P/NTAV is warranted, even though it is a premium to
some (but not all) peers. We note the AFS deficit is equivalent to US$1.23c per share, without
which the 2009E rating would be 0.95x.
We expect there will be some support to the shares through an increase in index weightings to
reflect the rights issue. For example we estimate a c.120bp increase in the FTSE Allshare
weighting from 5.0% to 6.2%, and a c.340bp increase in the panEuropean banks index (SX7P)
weighting from 14.6% to 18.0%.
With this backdrop, we believe HSBC can outperform the sector and we change our
recommendation accordingly to OUTPERFORM.
NH:
shares still down though
NH:
and guess what
NH:
the market is up now
PM:
horray!
NH:
1.2 points higher at 3,818.1
PM:
Right — seeya Monday at 11am
PM:
bye
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