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Markets live transcript 20 Feb 2009

Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:15 on 20 Feb 2009. Participants in this chat were: Paul Murphy, FT (PM) Neil Hume, FT (NH)

PM:
Welcome!
PM:
This is Markets Live – FT Alphaville’s daily market commentary
PM:
We trust that everyone is wearing the appropriate headgear
NH:
Tin hat times
NH:
PM:
Tin Hat Times – what a good name for a paper!
PM:
You’d have the Times of London, the New York Times – and then the quality press, the Tin Hat Times.
NH:
Tin Hat Time
PM:
Okay – we don’t know what to say this morning.
PM:
We’ve just run out of words
PM:
Everything’s bust.
PM:
The financial system – over
PM:
Conditions generally are suicidal.
NH:
I was just looking at the “front page” thingyon Reuters
NH:
Japan slump gathers pace; gloom grips E Europe
Euro zone economy slumps further in February
UK home repossession orders up 14% yon y
GM unit Saab says to file for creditor protection
Oil falls below 39 dollars
US shares dive after US widens tax-dodge probe
NH:
And so it goes on
PM:
Where’s the Footsie now?
NH:
down 95 points at 3,920
NH:
It’s even worse on the continent – Cac is off full 3%
NH:
Dax down 3.4%
PM:
What’s is the latest — is this more of Eastern Europe going bust
NH:
take your pick
NH:
so much bad news out there
11:07AM
PM:
Where should we go?
NH:
we could turn to drink
NH:
and this story from the Telegraph
NH:
We didn’t think this type of stuff happened any more
NH:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4700148/City-banker-spent-43000-on-champagne.html
NH:
City banker spent £43,000 on champagne
A City banker ran up a £43,000 bill on champagne at a London nightclub, including a £5,000 tip for the waitress.

Copy of the £43,000 bar bill
The astonishing bar bill included two methuselah of Dom Perignon champagne at £9,000 each, and four jeroboam of Crystal champagne costing £4,500 each. A methuselah is eight times the normal bottle size, and a jeroboam four times.

NH:
The unnamed banker arrived at Maya, a nightclub in London’s Soho, with four friends. He then ordered a total of 16 bottles of champagne from the drinks menu, which were shared with other guests.

His bill came to £43,067.50. A 15 per cent service charge, which amounted to £5,617.50, all went to the lucky waitress, who was called Anna.
The banker’s group, which included men and women, drank until 1.30am before he picked up the tab for his friends on a credit card.
Maya was hosting a party after the Brit Awards and is a venue popular with soap stars and Premiership footballers.

Other visitors have included actress Sienna Miller and singer Rihanna and the club operates a New York-style door policy where only those who the management deem “connected, fashionable and interesting enough” are allowed in. The club motto is: “If you’re not inside you’re outside.”
A club source said: “The guy comes here regularly. He and his guests were clearly not taking any notice of the recession.”

NH:
What was drunk:
5 x bottle of Louis Roederer Cristal 99 Champagne – £350 each
3 x Magnum of Cristal Rose Champagne – £1,900 each
2 x Methusalem of Dom Perignon Champagne – £9,000 each
4 x Jeroboam of Belvedere Vodka – £750 each
2 x Jeroboam of Crystal Champagne – £4,500 each
15% service charge – £5,617.50
Total – £43,067.50
PM:
PM:
really did think those stories were a thing of the past
PM:
obviously if anyone knows who the banker was ….
PM:
paul.murphy@ft.com
PM:
I will buy lunch…
PM:
Not at the same venue tho
NH:
indeed
NH:
and here is another drink related tale
NH:
It’s been dubbed “the most expensive drink in the world!” Six weeks after opening, history was made at XS nightclub in the Encore: The first $10,000 Ono cocktail was sold and served! Louis XIII Black Pearl cognac and the rare Charles Heidsieck 1981 Champagne Charlie highlight the luxurious libation.

NH:
Served in jewel-encrusted champagne glasses on a specially designed tray, the Ono also is presented with an 18-karat gold necklace with a Tahitian black pearl hanging from a diamond resting beneath a gold XS logo for the lady. The man gets an accompanying pair of Mont Blanc cuff links made of 18-karat gold and genuine stingray leather featuring the solid gold XS logos.

NH:
XS photographer Alex Loc Thieu was right there as sexy server Traci Tokunaga took the order and brought her cocktail colleagues to brighten up the first-sale celebration. The two male customers wanted a souvenir photo with Traci, and VIP service manager Ryan Craig also was on hand to ensure that all went well with the first $10,000 sip!

PM:
Vegas
NH:
yep
NH:
and if you want to try this at home
PM:
NH:
here’s how
NH:
In case you want to try this at home rather than out on the town, here’s the recipe: Louis XIII Black Pearl cognac, 4 ounces Charles Heidsieck 1981 Champagne Charlie, fresh-squeezed orange juice, apricot puree, Sence rose nectar and two ice cubes.

Preparation: The orange juice and apricot puree are mixed and poured into the custom champagne glass. The champagne glass and Black Pearl cognac (served in its own custom-designed glass) are presented on a crystal tray along with a bottle of Charles Heidsieck 1981 Champagne Charlie. The XS pearl necklace and cufflinks also are presented on the tray in their respective boxes. While the guests are “ooohing and aaahing” over their treasures, the server opens the champagne and finishes building the drink by pouring the Black Pearl cognac and 4 ounces of champagne into the glass with the juice mixture.

No word on tax or tip, or if they ordered a second round! C’est la vie in Las Vegas!

PM:
spricot puree?
PM:
yuck
NH:
shall we move on?
PM:
yeah
11:13AM
PM:
Was trying to find a decent emerging markets index, but it’s kinda impossible on this terminal.
PM:
Here wwe go – MSCI EM
PM:
Actually – that’s the iShares version
NH:
Yeah – but it will give a guide.
NH:
Down 2.6% today
PM:
Hang on – this is want I wanted really – iShares East Europe
PM:
Down 3.25%
PM:
Off 33 per cent since the beginning of the year.
NH:
Do you remember the Caviar Express?
PM:
Oh yeah, those were the days.
NH:
Well Richard Fletcher cited it this morning in the Telegraph
NH:
And gave you a name check.
PM:
That’s very kind of him.
PM:
Did he give us a link as well?
NH:
Er, no – didn’t go that far.
NH:
Just mentioned your name – as a former colleague.
NH:
Didn’t mention AV
PM:
Right
PM:
Caviar express – that was the Russian/ EE gravy train whereby if you were a Ruski firm looking to list on London thru the shadowy global depository receipt system,
PM:
you got your self some old quasi grandee retired brit on your board
PM:
New gravy train – except it crashed.
NH:
Well that was Fletcher’s point.
NH:
He said former colleague – when did you work with him.
PM:
Sunday Business – for a year – then I escaped.
PM:
Couldn’t do Sunday journalism. Toughest job in the world.
PM:
World of journalism, anyway.
NH:
That’s when you worked for jeff randall
Jeff Randall, the Telegraph’s Editor-at-Large is available for speaking engagements through The Gordon Poole Agency, the UK’s premier talent and speaker bureau. Fee group: £5k – £10k.
PM:
Sure.
NH:
Why tough?
PM:
Well you started work on Tuesday by going to lunch – which generally lasted until Thursday morning.
PM:
You then sobered up and spent the next 48 hours scrambling for stories, most of which were 80% fabricated.
NH:
A two-to-three day lunch—impressive. Everyweek?
PM:
Well, when Sunday Biz was relaunched under Randall, Mike Harrison did make the point that it could be the first newspaper to sink under the weight of its journalists’ expenses.
PM:
And that’s pretty much what happened!
PM:
Mike Harrison then at the Indie – now at Brunwick
PM:
Taken the felt collar
PM:
But let’s move on.
11:18AM
PM:
Actually — rather than a lunch — we have another prize …
NH:
for anyone that can identify the Dean Street champers banker
PM:
This is book of essays from last year by Albert Edwards and James Montier
PM:
From Soc Gen
PM:
The Ice Age collection
PM:
It’s a real collectors item.
NH:
a gem
NH:
of course, ever so slightly depressing
NH:
but a good read
NH:
answers on a postcard pls
11:21AM
PM:
Anglo American
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biggest faller in the FTSE 100 at the moment
PM:
Off 166p at 10.70
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PM:
and that follows annual results
NH:
which were grim
NH:
and I mean really grim
NH:
if there is something positive in the statement
NH:
I can’t find it
PM:
NH:
EPS below expectations
NH:
very pessimistic outlook statement
NH:
final dividend scrapped
NH:
along with the share buyback
NH:
massive jobs losses
NH:
grim, grim, grim
NH:
actually, there is only positive-ish thing
PM:
positive-ish
NH:
debt came in a little below expectations
NH:
but then
NH:
that’s off set by the fact that Anglo’s has net debt of $11bn
PM:
right
NH:
and then I have just spotted a flash on Reuters
NH:
which says that Anglo are lending money to De Beers
NH:
interest free
PM:
Eh?
NH:
that’s the flash
NH:
interest free for two years
NH:
are De Beersr in trouble
PM:
Three sharesholders of De beers have injected $500m
PM:
Follows poor sales
NH:
By James Macharia
JOHANNESBURG, Feb 20 (Reuters) – The world’s largest diamond group, De
Beers, said its three shareholders have agreed to loan the company $500 million
to help it weather the economic downturn, following muted sales in 2008.
De Beers Managing Director Gareth Penny said on Friday the global
economic crisis was having a negative impact on sales of retail diamond
jewellery, liquidity and demand for rough diamonds, which had hurt the group’s
sales of rough diamonds.
“We expect trading conditions to remain challenging throughout 2009,”
said Penny.
“Last year had two very distinct halves, there was tremendous growth in
production and sales and increased prices, then sales slowed down
significantly,” Penny told a media teleconference from London.
NH:
ment on Friday it would inject $225 million into the company, as part of
the $500 million in loans from the company’s three shareholders.
“In light of the weak outlook for diamond sales, the shareholders of De
Beers have agreed to provide loans to De Beers, proportionate to their
shareholdings,” Anglo said.
De Beers’ two other shareholders are Central Holdings, representing the
Oppenheimer family, with a 40 percent stake, and the government of Botswana,
which has a 15 percent stake.
Finance Director Stuart Brown told a presentation that the cash would be
a buffer, but that De Beers was not cash-strapped.
“The additional funds will help De Beers withstand any shocks that may
come through during the year in these uncertain economic times,” Brown said.
Anglo said De Beers’ net interest bearing debt fell to $3.55 billion from
$4.06 billion in 2007 as a result of the benefits of a stronger dollar,
repayment of debt and shareholder support.
De Beers said total sales for 2008 rose 1 percent to $6.9 billion after
demand collapsed in the last quarter of the year.
Production fell 6 percent to 48.1 million carats, with production sharply
lower in South Africa after it sold its Cullinan mine and closed The Oaks mine,
the company said.
NH:
more doom and gloom
NH:
and here’s some comments from the CEO of Anglo American Bank
NH:
Cynthia Carroll
NH:
guess what?
PM:
Grim?
NH:
yep
NH:
As we begin 2009, the economic outlook remains weak, with limited visibility and we are continuing to experience volatility and downward pressure on commodity prices,” Chief Executive Cynthia Carroll said.
NH:
“Notwithstanding the other measures we have taken, the board has decided to suspend dividend payments in order to preserve the group’s strategic growth options.”

With the final 2008 dividend scrapped, the total payment for 2008 will consist of the interim dividend of 44 cents per share, down 65 percent from the total of $1.24 in 2007. Payments will resume as soon as possible, Anglo said.

Carroll told a conference call that although the firm was keeping an eye out for possible takeover opportunities, its planned mine expansions were the priority.

NH:
told you
NH:
and here’s what the analysts made of it
NH:
Cazenove

Overall a mixed set of results, with earnings coming in below CazE and consensus and the full year dividend suspended. Operating profit of $10,085m, 6% below consensus and EPS of 436c/sh 8% below consensus. On
a more positive note, net debt came in below our estimate and at the bottom end of guidance. The company also has over $7bn of available undrawn debt facilities as of the end of the year ($4bn net of 2009 maturities).
IN-LINE

NH:
Results: key points
NH:
Operating profit $10,085m up 5% YoY, underlying EPS $4.36 up 7% YoY. Operating profit 6% below consensus, although this may have drifted down since release, 4% below CazE, Miss at operating profit flows down to EPS, which is
8% below consensus and 9% below our numbers. The company had already reported on c.30% of its earnings. The miss at operating profit level came primarily from the base metals division, where sales volumes were lower than expected and
provisional pricing was a significant drain, with ferrous metals the only division to beat our estimates, although we note diamonds came in slightly ahead of consensus. EBITDA margin of 36% up from 34%.

NH:
Dividends: final dividend suspended with a view to “safeguarding balance sheet flexibility” and with the intention to resume when market conditions allow. This leaves the full year payout at 44c/share, significantly below our forecast of
130c/share.

Balance sheet & cashflow: balance sheet still relatively comfortable, with net debt at $11.0bn (38% gearing to total capital) from $5.4bn at the interim stage, with the second stage of the MMX acquisition making the biggest dent
($5.5bn). Committed facilities >$7bn at year end ($4bn net of 2009 maturities). Net debt has come in at the bottom of guidance of $11-12bn. We also note the company sold down c.$500m of its AngloGold stake over the past few days;
selling the remainder as Anglo has committed to do would raise c.$1.3bn at current prices.
Costs up 11% YoY at the group level.

NH:
Outlook: “As we begin 2009, the economic outlook remains weak, with limited visibility and we are continuing to
experience volatility and downward pressure on commodity prices. The world economy faces an unprecedented level of
uncertainty and the outlook remains poor in the near term.”
NH:
Citi
NH:
In line operating performance — Group revenue of $32.4bn and EBIT before
special items of $10.1bn was in line with forecast but slightly below consensus.
Special items relating to impairments and re-measurements of $1.4bn resulted
in Group EBIT of $9bn, a miss of 18%. Reported EPS of $4.34/sh was 18%
below our forecast of $5.29/sh as a result.

Divisional performance — Anglo Platinum and Kumba iron ore reported last
week. Anglo Plat came in ahead of forecast due to higher sales volumes, lower
costs than forecast and a disposal gain on investments. Kumba was below
expectations due to lower sales volumes and cost pressures. Base metals was
also below expectations due to cost pressures and provisional pricing
adjustments.

Dividend — The final dividend was cut completely in order to preserve cash.
We believe this was expected by the market but may be taken as a sign of cash
flow weakness. Net debt was slightly higher than forecast of $10.3bn at $11bn.

NH:
Project review & outlook — In Dec 08 AAL announced large cuts to capex in
2009. No changes have been made to this, however the company has provided
official cost saving guidance of $2bn by 2011 and is targeting headcount
reduction of 19,000.

Summary — Although operating performance was in line with forecast, overall
results were below Citi and consensus expectations. Against its peers the
valuation of AAL does not look compelling, trading on a spot 2009E PE of 13x
and we see a lack of catalysts in the near term. Maintain HOLD rating

NH:
Arbuthnot
NH:
Anglo American – 2008 Results
Poor results released this morning form Anglo American, underlying earnings down 10% and underlying EPS coming in 11% below consensus. The shares were down 7% in Johanesburg, as the company also announced the suspension of dividend and share buyback plans until market conditions improve. Less concerning is the net debt of $11bn (as expected) with the company having undrawn bank facilities and cash of $7bn. The negative performance was offset by strong performances in coal (23% of operating profit) and ferrous metals (29%) – two areas with the negative outlook for 2009. Hardest hit was the base metyals division (26%), with operating profit down 42%YoY due lower prices and higher costs, and platinum (23%) down 17%. Anglo American has been a relative safe haven compared to the volatility seen in Xstata and Rio Tinto, but this may see the relative premium awarded to the miner reverse.

NH:
and that point by Arbuthnot on coal and ferrous metals is very important
NH:
they were the main drivers last year
NH:
and prices in those areas have collapsed in the past six month
NH:
so it looks like Anglo
NH:
will be selling more of its stake in Anglo Gold to pay down debt
NH:
can’t see any other debt will be cut
11:29AM
NH:
Right, we are feeling charitable this morning
NH:
and as we all need a laugh
NH:
Taxloss lives
NH:
he will not be banned, carded, sin binned today
11:31AM
NH:
right
NH:
there is one bright spot this morning
PM:
yep
PM:
and shock horror
PM:
it’s an insurer
PM:
an insurance stock is rising
PM:
obviously it is not L&G
PM:
they are down again – naturally
PM:
36p
NH:
ouch
PM:
no, we are talking about the Pru
NH:
which has released a Q4 trading statement this morning
NH:
which is not too bad
NH:
and more importantly it has announced the disposal of its business in Taiwan
NH:
a move that should free up a lot of capital
NH:
shares are currently up 28.5p at 284p
NH:
rise of almost 11%
NH:
and one of just give companies in the FTSE 100
NH:
that are up
PM:
OK, let’s dig a little bit deeper into the statement
NH:
here goes
NH:
the group IGD solvency position at the end of 2008 was £1.7bn or £2.5bn including the impact of the sale of the Taiwanese business.
NH:
Now, the end Sept figure was £1.2bn
NH:
and some analysts had been expecting a year end figure of £800m-£900m, mainly due to bond
PM:
that all sounds positive
NH:
it does
NH:
a much better statement on capital than the one from L&G
NH:
and the Pru has also has also reiterated its divi policy
NH:
and probably more importantly kept mum on AIG assets
NH:
no hint that they are plotting a move
NH:
and therefore no rights issue
NH:
and one more thing to note before we put up a bit of analyst comment
NH:
the buyer of the Taiwanese business is China Life
NH:
and remember all those rumours that were flying around a couple of weeks ago
NH:
that China Life were going to take a stake
NH:
well, it seems there was something in it after all
NH:
nothing like being right for the wrong reasons
NH:
right
NH:
comment time
NH:
I will start with Cazenove
NH:
Caz
Prudential – Pru solvency figure helped by sale of troubled Taiwan business, sales in line [PRU.L, PRU LN,268p] IN LINE, sector – neutral
The Pru has reported FY08 new business (APE basis) of £3,024m, 1% above the consensus and 5% higher than 2007. UK sales were £947m, 1% better than consensus, representing an increase of 6% compared to FY07. US sales of £716m were 7% up year on year and 2% above consensus. Asian sales of £1,362m were in line with consensus and up 4% year on year.
NH:
The solvency position (before sale of Taiwan) is much stronger than expected at an EUIGD surplus of £1.7bn. Our estimate had been £1.0bn, and the 9M figure £1.2bn. This massive increase is anomalous and will be a key question at the conference call.
The solvency position will increase a further £800m to £2.5bn upon completion of the disposal of the Taiwanese operation to Taiwan’s China Life for a nominal sum, and will result in an EV profit of £90m, although Pru have agreed to invest £45m in China Life equity.

This sale removes a serious guarantee problem: off balance sheet guarantee liabilities amounted to c£700m, and the disposal means that the eventual transition to MCEV (which would recognise these obligations) will be significantly less onerous. Pru Taiwan generated £24m of H108 IFRS pretax profit, equivalent to 4% of the global total. It generated H108 sales of £97m in H1, 6% of the global total and 13% of Pru Asia. The H108 EV of Pru Taiwan was negative £128m, even though the mark to market value of £700m of guarantees was off balance sheet. Although its sale makes sense from a risk management perspective, we expect the group to continue to expand in Asia both organically, and inorganically.

NH:
There are no comments on rights issues or acquisitions in Asia, but clearly the company has put its best foot forward. The huge improvement in solvency position, particularly on completion of the Taiwan sale suggests that any eventual fund raising will be acquisition related rather than to fill a solvency gap.
We have yet to see any explicit comment on the dividend but the solvency figure is so strong that we very much doubt this will be an issue today. Although the Taiwan disposal statement says it will have no impact on dividend paying ability it does not say what that ability actually is.
NH:
here is Merrill
NH:
Prudential has released its Q4 interim management statement on sales and
capital, and announced the disposal of its business in Taiwan. Firstly and most importantly on capital, the group IGD position at the end of 2008
was £1.7bn or £2.5bn including the impact of the sale of the Taiwanese business.

The end September figure was £1.2bn and our model was pointing to a year end
figure of £800-900m, mainly due to the reduction in bond yields in Q4. Pru was
allowed to include an additional £0.3bn in respect of future shareholder profits
from the with profits funds – the company has indicated that it may get further
relief up to £1.4bn. Equity markets -40% would reduce the IGD by £350m.
Sensitivity to a 150bp reduction in interest rates has reduced to £300m.

NH:
The UK credit reserve has been increased by £500m to £1.4bn. This equates to
around 80bp pa of assumed defaults over the lifetime of the assets, which
equates to the default experience from the great depression occurring every year
for the lifetime of the book.

China Life (Taiwan) will buy Prudential’s Taiwanese business for a nominal sum.
The Taiwanese business is not liked by investors due to the high guarantees on
the back book and sensitivity to falling bond yields. Due to the high capital
requirements of the business, there is an £800m positive impact on Prudential’s
IGD position. The impact on the group EV will be +£90m (the impact on our fair
value will be much higher). There will be a one off IFRS hit of £595m, but this will
not affect the dividend paying capacity.

On sales, new annualised premiums (APE) came in at £3,024m (+5% YoY),
indicating a slowing trend towards the end of the year – the 9m run rate was
+16% YoY. This was in line with expectations. Within the split, Asian APE was
£1,362m (+6% YoY); UK APE was £947m (+4% YoY); and the US APE was
£716m (+7% YoY). Both the UK and Asian asset management businesses saw
positive net inflows (£3.4bn and £0.9bn respectively).
Prudential is one of our very few buy recommendations in the life sector. This
has been painful – as a pure life company and high beta, Prudential has been hit
hard by the market weakness and generally very poor sentiment this year, falling
more than 30% YTD. The shares closed last night at 5.5x 2010 EPS and 60% of
our EV. We see the announcements today as a major pressure release valve
and reiterate our buy rating.

NH:
and finally
NH:
KBW
NH:
The market should take Prudential’s 2008 potential IGD surplus of £3.9bn, after
considering disclosed capacity to release further capital from the UK with-profit
fund, very positively. This includes a £0.8bn release from the sale of its
problematic Taiwanese back book, which should increase embedded value by
£90mn. Sales were 1% ahead of consensus, and there should also be a small
positive mix impact on margins.

Management disclosed that December involved a
surge in Asian sales vs. the previous two months, and that US VA sales were
ahead of KBW expectations; both positives for the outlook and the franchise
value of the group. With a price to MCFV of 23%, at the bottom of the peer
group range and well below the c60% sector average, we see the stock as
incorrectly factoring in a capital event (we do not expect one to happen). We see
the dividend growing positively from 2008 onwards. Prudential’s unique agency
distribution and unit-linked/protection product focus are likely to lead to sales
outperformance and put the group in a unique position to bid for AIG ex-Japan
Asian operations, because it is the only other company that shares the same
business focus.

NH:
We maintain our Outperform recommendation.
IGD very strong. The company disclosed an IGD surplus for 2008 of £1.7bn, helped
by the £0.3bn release from the with-profit fund. We were expecting £0.8bn before
management pulling any levers. Management flagged a further potential £1.4bn of
capacity to release capital from the with-profit fund. We believe there are even more
levers available to it here, e.g. Fin Re and converting £0.7bn of senior debt to
qualifying hybrid. The Taiwanese sale will add a further £0.8bn to the IGD surplus.
We estimate that a “1929″ style event would cost the group around £1bn in
impairments over the next four years.

Taiwan sale to remove the negative spread issue. Management announced the sale
of its Taiwanese agency sales force and traditional product back book. This will
increase embedded value by £90mn. A £0.6bn loss on IFRS NAV will occur from this
transaction, but we expect the £0.8bn release into the IGD surplus to offset any
negative sentiment from the IFRS impact. Management will retain its bancassurance
distribution channels in this market after the sale.

NH:
ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND HIRES MORGAN STANLEY TO EXPLORE SALE OF ASIAN UNITS -SOURCES
NH:
that’s from Reuters. I wonder if if is the same source that dissed our BGI story
PM:
that’s a hit for the indie actually
PM:
The Independent newspaper, which is still published
NH:
it is not reuters
NH:
PM:
RBS wants to offload all or part of the Asian operations it acquired when it bought ABN Amro in late 2007 for £10bn. The ABN deal weakened RBS as the financial crisis gathered pace and increased its exposure to toxic assets.

The bank is also hoping to sell its Mid-West US commercial banking business but to keep its retail banking operations on the East Coast.

Sir Fred added the Mid-West activities in 2004 when he spent $10.5bn (£7.3bn) on Charter One – a deal that set alarm bells ringing about his appetite for acquisitions.

RBS is understood to have sounded out Standard Chartered, the London-based Asian specialist, and Australia’s ANZ about the Asian operations, which include prized assets in India.

11:40AM
PM:
Anyway — what about the legals situation??
NH:
Over what?
PM:
Sorry, Legal and general.
NH:
Well they’re off – again.
NH:
oh, they have broken 36p now
NH:
off 1.9p at 35.7p
PM:
How much have they fallen this week.
NH:
Er, they started the week at 49p I think
NH:
But then they started to the week before at 64p.
PM:
Jeepers. Down 40 odd per cent in fortnight
NH:
You know we are being blamed for a “concerted attack” – FT and AV
PM:
Yeah yeah – I saw that.
PM:
But don’t name him – it was a private email.
NH:
What – someone can take a HUGE pop at us and we are not allowed to fire back.
NH:
Basically accusing us of simultaneously being stupid and manipulating the market???????
PM:
It was a private mail – leave him out of it.
NH:
Well, I’m going to print this line
NH:
[iii] Sam Jones) is becoming one-sided and dull.
PM:
PM:
Sam isn’t here to defend himself.
PM:
He’s swanned off the Barcelona
PM:
But look – readers – trust us on this…
PM:
One thing Sam Jones is NOT is dull
NH:
NH:
L&G is dull – but that’s because it’s a life insurers
NH:
And it’s certainly looking a bit lopsided
NH:
The stock’s got subsidence.
PM:
The ground has shifted beneath Tim Breedon’s feet.
PM:
To fix it we suspect shareholders will have to start by digging a big hole in the ground.
NH:
Hang on Murph – aren’t you now spreading false rumours started by speculative funds who are heavily short the stock ?????
PM:
No.
PM:
I made it up myself.
NH:
Let’s move on
11:44AM
PM:
it’s bank time
NH:
yep, we have reached that time
NH:
Bored with Banks, this one is especially for you
PM:
quite a bit of reaction to the BGI story here yesterday
NH:
yes
NH:
analysts seems to be taking the view that Barclays would not want to sell a great business at the bottom of the cycle
NH:
but it might have to
NH:
because it needs the cash to pay the premium on the government’s asset protection scheme
NH:
here’s Bruce Packard at Evolution Securities
NH:
and it has a nice title
NH:
Bob’s Great Idea
NH:
although we hear that Roger Jenkins is also involved in this
NH:
anyway
NH:
FT Alphaville reported that Barclays could sell off BGI, its asset
management business for £5bn.
Barclays bought BGI in 1995 for $440m. We anticipate Barclays
paying minimal taxable gain, therefore core tier 1 could rise from
6.7% (including cash raised from convertible instruments) to 7.9%.
A disposal would likely be eps dilutive. In 2008, underlying BGI
profits were 30% of group PBT (ex acquisition, disposal gains). BGI
has contributed significant growth (BGI operating PBT increased
from £71m FY 2001 to £858m FY 08).
Barclays could be thinking of this transaction as a way to raise capital to
pay for the UK Govt asset guarantee scheme. We expect the details of this
scheme to be announced next week. However it is possible that banks will be
allowed to defer payment, or pay in bonds or tax assets.
NH:
Alternatively, Barclays may be nervous that they will not be able to
incentivise BGI staff in the new “no bonus” environment. Historically a
BGI scheme allowed for 20% of BGI to be optioned to key employees. When the
options converted to shares, which were then bought back to prevent dilution,
this was treated as an investment with no p&l impact. In part this explains the
42% CAGR BGI profit growth noted above.

Either way, although we think £5bn is a good price in the current
environment, we are unconvinced that a disposal plugs much of a hole in the £2
trillion Barclays balance sheet. Though Barclays won’t thank us for the
comparison, Lehman’s were attempting to sell their investment management
Neuberger Berman in August 2008. We rate BARC Reduce.

NH:
here’s some more comment
NH:
£5bn looks like a reasonable price -12x PE is a c20% premium to asset managers reflecting a bigger and better quality business (£1bn AUM and 3000 institutional clients). Reported consortium buyer.

If sold at this price it could improve the capital position by c£4.5bn adding 100bp to the Equity Tier 1 ratio – our stress test (peak loan impairments of 3%, 35% write off of structured credit and 35% reduction in GOP) suggests that the company may need an additional £6.6bn of capital so this would go a long way to filling the gap but still leave Barclays short of c£2bn capital with a stressed equity tier 1 ratio of 3.5% compared to the FSAs floor level of 4%

NH:
The company remains very keen to avoid taking capital from the government in order to be free to pursue its global strategy. However, selling BGI would also be a significant change in strategic direction. Barclays is seeking to delverage the business and specifically mentioned reducing the capital intensity at BarCap. As an asset manager BGI is not a capital intemsive business so while the sale would reduce leverage it would make the business mix of the group more capital intensive.
PM:
Some good points in there
NH:
I could tell you
PM:
I could tell you
NH:
but then I would have to kill you
PM:
oh
11:47AM
NH:
couple of things
NH:
UBS being drilled this morning
NH:
shares down 16%
PM:
Ouch
PM:
what’s caused that?
NH:
well, the US banks were not good last night
NH:
But I think this is more down to the tax stuff
NH:
and fears about the end of Swiss private banking
NH:
in particular this story and others like it
NH:
are really, really worrying people
NH:
also note
NH:
Credit Suisse is off 10%
NH:
and Julius Baer is off 10%
NH:
and the Swiss franc is being whacked as well
NH:
here’s our story from this morning
NH:
As many as 52,000 US customers hid UBS accounts from the authorities in violation of tax laws, a Washington lawsuit against the Swiss bank alleged yesterday.
The Department of Justice filed a suit seeking to force UBS to disclose the holders of accounts with about $14.8bn (£10bn) in assets. It alleged UBS, Switzerland’s biggest bank, engaged in cross-border securities transactions in the US that it knew violated security laws and helped US taxpayers set up dummy offshore companies.
NH:
As many as 52,000 US customers hid UBS accounts from the authorities in violation of tax laws, a Washington lawsuit against the Swiss bank alleged yesterday.
The Department of Justice filed a suit seeking to force UBS to disclose the holders of accounts with about $14.8bn (£10bn) in assets. It alleged UBS, Switzerland’s biggest bank, engaged in cross-border securities transactions in the US that it knew violated security laws and helped US taxpayers set up dummy offshore companies.
NH:
UBS said it would challenge enforcement of the so-called John Doe summons, which seeks information on the accounts of US citizens at UBS in Switzerland, where such information is protected by financial privacy laws.
“UBS believes it has substantial defences to the enforcement of the John Doe summons and intends to vigorously contest the enforcement of the summons in the civil proceeding,” the bank said in a statement.
PM:
That is not good news for UBS
NH:
nope
NH:
not good at all
NH:
in contrast the UK banks are alright today
Royal Bank of Scotland Group (RBS:LSE): Last: 20.90, down 0.9 (-4.13%), High: 21.30, Low: 19.80, Volume: 39.15m
Lloyds Banking Group (LLOY:LSE): Last: 57.00, up 0.2 (+0.35%), High: 57.10, Low: 53.50, Volume: 16.97m
Barclays PLC (BARC:LSE): Last: 96.80, down 4.3 (-4.25%), High: 99.50, Low: 94.80, Volume: 23.47m
NH:
of course next week is a big week for the sector
NH:
we should get details of the asset protection programme
NH:
and on that note
NH:
here is a quick preview piece from Collins Stewart
NH:
Alex Potter
NH:
RBS results are out Thursday, 26 Feb – option value
NH:
Headline loss guidance is £7bn+ with an additional goodwill write-down of as much as £20bn (but latter is non-cash therefore no valuation impact). The capital base appears reasonable – equity Tier 1 should be c.7% including the recent government pref-for-equity swap. Write-downs will cloud results but mgmt effectively incentivised to “big bath” these numbers in any case so, like the ABN goodwill writedown, this is more of a historic commentary on previous mgmt failures than a prospective valuation point. Flow of new NPLs is key to 2009 – NPLs were 145bp of loans at Jun-08, we see nearer 200bp now and continuing to rise. Outlook stmts will be crucial.
NH:
Govt asset protection scheme details on same day
We have heard that the govt may release details of the APS on Thursday, also – so, as usual, expect it to be leaked to this weekend’s press ahead of a regulatory announcement. RBS is likely to be a key winner if the scheme is sensibly constructed and priced.
¦ Asset sales to be a feature through 2009 – tough to benefit from
Much as bull markets draw mgmt teams into M&A, the opposite is true now. Barclays was rumoured to be selling BGI for up to £5bn yesterday, this would be a c.80bp addition to equity Tier 1 but BGI is a jewel in the Barclays crown. The Independent is now reporting RBS as looking to sell ABN’s Asian assets (little surprise) and Charter One (difficult). The Asian assets cost c.£10bn but would likely be sold for little better than book value i.e. little capital gain. Charter One cost $10.5bn in 2004 – a very different market. It is fully integrated into Citizens, we believe, which means a carve-out and sale likely to be logistically tough. Easier would be a sale of the whole of Citizens but this represents £114bn of loans with book value likely to be £5-8bn. Not only is the appetite for US banking assets weak but this would be a relatively large transaction – a sale would streamline RBS but appears rather desperate action with limited capital accretion likely.
NH:
¦ Lloyds Banking results on Friday, 27 Feb – capital risk
Following last Friday’s profit warning, we now know that equity Tier 1 will be 6.0-6.5% – we estimate near the bottom of that range. That makes Lloyds relatively weakly capitalised but the fair-valuing of the HBoS balance sheet does mean that this is a capital ratio partially incomparable with peers and calculated conservatively. Asset quality is key – Barclays alluded to a “sharp downturn” in commercial quality in its recent results (9 Feb) and last week’s profit warning was due to this as well as the private equity-style business. Flow of new NPLs will determine just how loss-making the group is in 2009 and therefore the nadir of the capital ratios. With capital already optically weak and with few assets to sell (Insight could generate 50-80-bps of equity Tier 1 gain but is only capital-generative sale that is at all possible, in our view), Lloyds is most at-risk of requiring more capital in 2009, we estimate.
NH:
and here is another piece on the asset protection scheme
NH:
from JP Morgan
NH:
UK Banks
NH:
• There have been a few articles in the press (Daily Telegraph and WSJ)
regarding the possibility of the UK government being more generous in
the terms of the asset protection scheme, which we expect to see
unveiled over the coming week. From the underlying tone we conclude a
couple of things (i) the UK government is considering all possible ways
to be lenient on the banks; (ii) given the emphasis on RBS (and the fact
we expect the details of the scheme to be announced on the same day as
their FY results (26th Feb)) it is increasingly clear, that at least this
initial announcement is being tailored to RBS. We believe the emphasis
will initially be predominantly on commercial real estate of which RBS
has £115bn (UK and international). This will also be applicable to
Lloyds (mainly through HBOS, where combined exposure to commercial
real estate is £70bn) and less so to Barclays (note at FY presentation
Barclays mentioned it would consider the financials of the scheme and
decide whether they would get involved.
NH:
• There are four main variables to the asset protection scheme that the UK
government has to consider;

• (i) Size/type of assets covered – In the original announcement qualifying
assets were commercial and residential mortgage loans, structured credit
assets including certain ABS and certain other corporate and leveraged
loans (UK and international) and their hedges. In our base case, we
assume £100bn of loans at RBS, £90bn at Lloyds Banking Group, £63bn
at Barclays and £55bn at HSBC. Note our estimates of ‘bad’ assets only
take loans (not treasury assets) into account so the number is likely to
differ from this. Note the smaller the assets protected, the less likelihood
of success and hence less trust on remaining NAV figures;

• (ii) Fee or premium charged – In both articles there seems to be an
emphasis on the size of the fee. In previous similar deals the fee has
tended to be 3-4%. The question is whether this fee is taken on an annual
basis or spread throughout the life of the scheme. Note that by spreading
this it is simply the time-money value, but it can make a marginal
difference in helping the cashflow of the banks which is crucial, so it is a
likely area of government ‘generosity’. In the original announcement, the
government also mentioned that this fee does not necessarily have to be
paid in cash hence the mentioning of preference shares or other forms of
debt to pay for this;

NH:
• (iii) Excess – This is the first loss piece which each participating bank
will have to pay. It is unclear whether this will be 100% or 50% deducted
from Tier 1 capital – we suspect it will be 50%, similar to the 2012
insurance treatment. We could see the UK government being even more
generous and decide that the deduction will wait until 2012, applying the
‘double accounting’ treatment as insurance…
NH:
staying in the financials
NH:
seen this
NH:
from chartingstocks.com
NH:
warning – it is not very positive
PM:
NH:
Citigroup (C) and Bank of America (BAC) won’t live to see May. The government will take them over within the next 60 days. The announcement may come as soon as tomorrow evening.
If there’s one thing our readers know, it’s that ChartingStocks.net has made some bold calls in the past which seemed controversial and highly unlikely at the time. Our January 2007 post warned of the coming stock market crash at a time when the market was making new all time highs. In February 2007 we warned about the breakdown of the brokerage stocks and singled out Bear Stearns (Trading at $160), Merrill Lynch (Trading at $87), and Morgan Stanley (Trading at 78).
NH:
In September 2007, we warned of a selloff in the coming weeks. The market peak and decline began 4 weeks later.
We’re going to make another bold prediction. Bank of America and Citigroup won’t live to see May. The two banks will be nationalized in the coming weeks, and we think that the announcement can come as soon as tomorrow evening (Friday evenings are when major bank announcements and failures occur).
The US government has already committed half a trillion dollars to these two firms which is more than 10 times the amount it would cost to buy and control both companies. The market doesn’t believe that $500 billion is enough to save these companies.
NH:
All the kings horses and all the kings men can’t put humpty dumpty back together again.
Today both banks made fresh new lows with Citi closing at $2.51 and Bank of America closing at $3.93. The 1 year charts below show the short term price movements. You should understand that when a bank stock’s chart looks like this, even a HEALTHY bank would be in trouble. Nobody wants their deposits tied up in a company that trades at $2. The outflows of deposits from Bank of America and Citi must be catastrophic.

NH:
now, I hadn’t followed this site before, but around 4 or 5 traders have told this morning that it had a good record
NH:
so I thought it was worth sticking up
11:55AM
PM:
ta for taht
PM:
cattles — waht can we say about that??
NH:
well, how about
NH:
it is 7p too high
NH:
look
NH:
why are the shares trading at 7p
NH:
this looks pretty terminal to me
NH:
with a huge refinancing looming
NH:
the company has fessed up to what some analysts had suspected for a while
NH:
that there is a problem with provisions
NH:
I can’t believe there is 7p of equity value left in this company
NH:
a massive debt for equity swap is looming in IMO
NH:
and shareholders are going to be wiped out
PM:
How’s their campaign going to convince the world this is a consumer finance operation and NOT a door step lender?
PM:
That still underway?
NH:
well, they are still retaining expensive PR consultants by the looks of this morning’s statement
NH:
so if we call them a doorstep lender
NH:
I might get a call later today
NH:
anyway
NH:
here’s some reaction
NH:
Cazenove
NH:
Cattles – delay to results, and another profit warning [CTT.L CTT LN] 13.25p Underperform, Sector Neutral
Cattles has announced an undisclosed delay to its full year results (previously due Thursday 26 February) “pending completion of a review of the adequacy of its impairment provisions”. The exact outcome is unknown at this stage but “it is expected to result in profit before tax being substantially lower than current market expectations”.
On 7 January the company had announced that “credit quality remains within reasonable tolerances” and “had no bearing” on its announcement that day that it would be curtailing lending. On 26 January the company officially withdrew its application for a banking licence.
NH:
In our estimates we had assumed that the company would be loss making in 2009E reflecting a rapid increase in provisions related to a deterioration in the book and the relatively slow recognition of losses under the company’s historical provisioning policy (no arrears are recognised until 120 days in arrears). Our impression is that today’s announcement is an indication that losses which we had expected to come through in 2009E will now be booked to the 2008E year instead. The key question will be whether the capital base is sufficient to be able withstand appropriate provisioning, and our long standing fear is that it is not.
While we believe that Cattles will survive – it makes more sense for the lending banks to renew facilities at punitive rates than to withdraw funding completely in our view – that is quite different to believing that there is value in the equity. We expect a dilutive recapitalisation of the business in due course.
We retain our UNDERPERFORM recommendation.
NH:
Merrill
NH:
We are moving Cattles to No Rating
Cattles statement this morning makes it almost impossible for us to ascribe a
current value to Cattles, in our view. Reflecting this, we have moved the stock to
no rating. We will review our estimates, but it is likely once we get clarity from the
company, that we will need to cut our estimates significantly.

FY 08 results delayed; higher provisioning
The company has this morning announced that it will delay the publication of its
FY 08 results, pending a review of its impairment provisions. The company
comments that PBT will be “substantially lower than current market expectations”.

Likely to complicated refinancing
This announcement is likely, we think, to complicate the company’s negotiations
with its banks; we understand it is aiming to refinance a significant amount of debt
in H1. In addition, the company has debt covenants. Such a restatement could
presumably bring the company closer to these levels

NH:
Citigroup
NH:
Impairment Provisions — Cattles is delaying FY 08 results (scheduled 26 Feb)
pending completion of a review of the adequacy of impairment provisions. We
expect this could result in PBT substantially lower than market expectations.

Debt Covenant Concerns — Reuters consensus is for £170m PBT. Our
immediate concern is that substantially lower PBT could mean breach of the
1.75x interest cover covenant associated with bank debt and private placement
notes.

What’s the Buffer? — We forecast £172m interest expense in 2008, meaning
that if PBT was less than £129m, it would breach 1.75x EBIT/interest expense.
£41m is equivalent to an 11% increase in our forecast of £376m loan loss
impairment charges – unfortunately quite possible, in our view.

Debt Restructuring? — Risk of covenant breach overshadows our previous
concern over £500m re-financing in July. With the market cap currently at
£70m, we believe that any sort of debt restructuring would likely be highly
dilutive, leaving little excess cashflow or business value to existing equity
holders.

NH:
Back of Envelope — Borrowings stood at £2.4bn at end June 2008, vs. a loan
book of £3.2bn. If Cattles liquidated this loan book at an impairment loss ratio
of 20% (realising £2.56bn) at annual cost of £53m p.a. (15% of the 2007 run
rate), there would be zero value left for equity holders after repaying debt.

New target price — With the risk of debt covenant breach now looking
significant, we set a new price target half way between our previous price target
of 18p (based on an ‘orderly run off’ of the company at 14% bad debt charge,
already 2% higher than the 2007 run rate) and our new 0p estimate of value
where the bad debt charge rises to 20%.

Read Through — Whether fair or not, we expect the market to read through
negatively to the other consumer credit play in the sector: Provident Financial

PM:
Gettings some strange snaps up on the Reuters box:

Senior German official says 35 institutions worldwide would come underssupervision in G20 plan.

Hello??????????????

PM:
They are just coming up as snap quotes at the moment
PM:
Some unnamed German official briefing Reuters
NH:
another source??
NH:
he’s everywhere this source
PM:
Someone who is not worried abou the stability of the euro, apparently
NH:
Leaders of the European members
of the Group of G20 nations should send a clear message against
protectionism at a meeting on Sunday, a senior German government
official said on Friday.
He also said the leaders should set criteria for state aid
and that the countries aimed to discuss common critieria for
risky securities.
PM:
Germany supports doubling of IMF funds, apparently
NH:
actually just picked this up on the wires
NH:
not good for the insurers if this catches on
NH:
AMSTERDAM, Feb 20 (Reuters) – Shares in Dutch financial
services group ING Groep NV fell on Friday to
their lowest level ever following a newspaper report that the
company might miss coupon payments on its tier 1 obligations.
Paul Beijsens, analyst at Theodoor Gilissen, pointed to
comments in Dutch daily Het Financieele Dagblad by the smaller
Dutch Kas Bank , which said it expected ING to miss
coupon payments on its hybrid tier 1 obligations.
“A lot of investors are just getting anxious and are walking
away from the stock,” he said.
NH:
But an ING spokeswoman said: “If we were to forego interest
payments, then we would do that by giving a notice to the market
immediately, and we have not done so at this moment”.
PM:
Oh — i’ll say
NH:
great PR quote there
PM:
Insurers like L&G have big holdings of Tier I and II bank paper
NH:
and it is not all UK banks
NH:
before we finish on the banks
NH:
A bit of RAW
RAW is market chatter – information that has not been formally tested through traditional journalistic channels (PRs etc). The story might be complete rubbish, but if we believe there is some substance to it we will say so. Either way, Reader Beware.
NH:
HSBC
NH:
Rumours of a $15bn cash call coming down the slipway
NH:
I hear
NH:
also some bid rumours bubbling around in Tullow Oil
PM:
Tullow Oil (TLW:LSE): Last: 685.50, down 17 (-2.42%), High: 712.50, Low: 685.50, Volume: 1.08m
PM:
Gone 12 Neil — anythign to finish up on??
NH:
a couple of things
NH:
very funny story in the Daily Mail
NH:
on Travis Perkins
NH:
we clearly have to put this company on the watch page because it has made the classic mistake of blaming short sellers for its current problems
NH:
The boss of Travis Perkins has launched a scathing attack on hedge funds that have sought to trash the company’s shares by betting on its demise.

His comments came as the builders’ merchant and owner of DIY chain Wickes reported a 44 per cent slump in annual profits to £146.3m and said that the challenging trading conditions would continue until 2011.

Chief executive Geoff Cooper said: ‘We want to make it clear to short sellers that we will not be meeting with them. They are working against us, they’re not interested in investing in us for the long term. Why would we want to give them any insight into our business? They don’t help the situation.’

PM:
NH:
I think Mr Copper needs a lesson in short selling
PM:
NH:
not sure they need or want to meet him
NH:
TP last time I looked was a builders’ merchant
NH:
in the midst of very nasty construction downturn
NH:
Cooper’s frustration is understandable given Travis Perkins’ shares (down 7p at 3083/4p) have collapsed almost 72 per cent this year. The fall is partly down to investor concern about the unprecedented decline in both its markets – retailing and construction.

However Cooper believes short sellers are to blame for what he called a ‘disproportionate movement’ in the share price.

PM:
Disproportionate movement, eh?
PM:
Price today…
PM:
Down 12p at 296p
PM:
4%
NH:
thanks for Copper feed back
NH:
as I said TP and Copper are on the watch page
NH:
I am almost done
NH:
except for a couple of notes on Sibir I want to put up
NH:
JP Morgan
NH:
Increase in the core shareholder’s debt to the
company indicates potentially considerably higher
risks – ALERT

• Sibir Energy share trading on AIM was suspended on Thursday at
the request of the company. Sibir’s nominated advisor Strand Partners
Limited was informed late on February 18 that two circulars published
by Sibir (related to real estate deals) were not correct.

NH:
• Tchigirinski’s debt to Sibir Energy amounts to $325 mn and not
$115 mn, as was stated in the latest circular, the company disclosed
on Thursday. A full statement detailing all the facts will be made once
the company has all information. In the meantime the EGM arranged for
February 27 (related to canceling all real estate deals with Mr.
Tchigirinski) is postponed until further notice.

• Tchigirinski’s debt might have been transferred to the company.
There are no details in Sibir Energy’s current disclosure. However in the
circular posted on December 3 the company proposed the second real
estate deal (worth $340 mn) by paying in cash and assuming certain
existing debt of Mr. Tchigirinski at $213 mn. We suppose that the
increase in Mr. Tchigirniski’s debt to the company from $115 mn to
$325 mn might be explained by possible transference of this debt to Sibir
Energy.

NH:
Risks might be significantly underestimated. If Tchigirinski’s debt
was transferred to the company, then Sibir Energy’s financial position
could be considerably riskier than anticipated before. First of all, its
current net debt might be $444 mn, or almost two times higher than it
was expected before. The second issue is that the company’s exposure to
real estate assets owned by Mr Tchigirinski might amount to $446 mn
rather than the $236 mn estimate based on all previously disclosed
information. So refinancing risk and exposure to real estate business
might be significantly underestimated in this case.

• Significant corporate governance risks. Low transparency and absence
of disclosure imply significant corporate governance risks for the
company in our view. Moreover a core shareholder getting funds from
the company and possible transference of his debt to it indicates
significant potential risks related to refinancing and exposure to real
estate.

NH:
Unicredit
NH:
Trading suspended after company reveals Tchigirinsky’s debt to it three times higher than previously declared

Topic: Trading in Sibir Energy shares was suspended yesterday at the company’s requestafter it was revealed that the company had severely underestimated the key shareholder’s debt to it. After the suspension, the company reported that it now believes Tchigirinsky owes USD 325mn to the firm, instead of the previously disclosed USD 115mn. Nofurther explanation of the error was given, prompting wild market speculations. In addition, Sibir stated that the upcoming February 27, 2009 shareholders meeting will be delayed indefinitelywhile the company studies its ability to recover the debt and the reasons for the material errors posted in the circular to shareholders on 11 February 2009.

Our view: While we await official disclosure on the course of events that have led to the emergence of the additional debt, we note that the amount due to the company falls in line with the total debt owed by Tchigirinsky to Sberbank. We continue to think that the debt pertains to his non-oil-related activities, although we cannot rule out that new circumstanceshave emerged, complicating the situation even further.

NH:
Conclusion: The news confirms our previous cautious stance toward the company. We reiterate our view that investors seeking exposure to Russian independent integrated producers will be better served elsewhere.
Our estimates show that the company’s value estimates would decline by 21% if the firm is unable to recover the money borrowed by the shareholder. In our opinion, a strong share price correction is unavoidable, and we believe the stock may lose over 30% in value once trading resumes, as the markets tend to overreact to negative surprises of this kind. In addition, we believe the story will remain unattractive to all but the most adventurous investors, hampering performance even if the company manages to recover the debt. We reiterate our view that only a change in shareholder structure will unlock the value of Sibir’s core assets.
NH:
actually Nils Pratley at the Guardian has written a very good comment on Sibir today
NH:
well worth reading
NH:
in fact his Viewpoint column is worth reading every day
PM:
12:10PM
PM:
We/ve got to finish tho
PM:
Just so people dont think we are ignoring request below
PM:
Gold — 990 currently — did touch 993 a little earlier
PM:
But we have no idea where it is going
PM:
Ditto Footsie
PM:
Wild markets
NH:
The Word – what portfolios???
PM:
I only have debts
NH:
me too. lots of them
PM:
We couldnt trust oursevles to trade
PM:
Blow ourselves up
NH:
in about a week
PM:
Right — we ahve got to go
PM:
Thank you for lots of funny comments today
PM:
FTSE 100 will close 138 points lower today
NH:
what about gold then?
PM:
Gold wil settle at 994.07
NH:
there you have it
NH:
the Sage of Southwark Bridge has spoken
PM:
Good weekend all
PM:
Seeya
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