Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:06 on 12 Feb 2009. Participants in this chat were: Neil Hume, FT (NH) Paul Murphy, FT (PM)
for 2009/10
Both EBITDA and free cash flow in-line with pre-announced figures. In terms of divisional detail, Openreach strong, Retail robust and Wholesale improving. Global Services (“GS”) very weak as previously announced. P&L estimate changes likely to be limited, cash flow more of a concern.
Outlook for 2009/10: Management expects group cash flow to be over £1bn, before any pension deficit payments. We were forecasting c. £1.2bn before c. £200m of increased pension payments. Our initial sense is that this remains achievable although much will depend on the level of exceptional cash costs next year.
Overall, core business continues to perform very well, although economic conditions deteriorating. GS remains the big concern. Following the recent trading statement and today’s cash flow commentary, we now estimate a GS cash outflow in the current year of c. £800m with £300m relating to a working capital reversal. Management believes GS is capable of being free cashflow positive and key will be confidence in this objective.
There is significant cost cutting opportunities for both the group and in particular GS. A sense from the analysts’ meeting that today is a final “clearing of the decks” will be required to support the share price.
Source: Company, Oriel Securities estimates. Note: consensus compiled before pre-close update (global services profit warning)
· The results don’t particularly add much to the big picture following last month’s Global Service profit warning
· The only key difference to our revised expectations concerns the £336m specific items on contract loses which have been included in GS EBITDA reporting, while we had stripped it out, otherwise the business are seemingly going to plan.
· Global Service order intake remained steady at GBP£1.8bn in the quarter and £8.3bn in the year, but valuing this business will not be possible until there is clarity on the contract accounting and likely ongoing profitability of this business.
· The other businesses have posted revenue and EBITDA growth of 5%, representing the best year on year performance for 5 years; somewhat supporting are arguments as to the resilience of the core business to the economic downturn – yet £198m of revenue benefit came from favourable currency movements and a further £153m from acquired growth.
· Free cash flow has been improved to -£32m due to working capital improvements and lower capex, but Q4 cash flow will be significantly weaker than historically as BT tries to re-phase the contracts more evenly through the year. BT is guiding FCF of over £1bn for next year, but BEFORE any pension deficit payment, our current forecast for 2010 is therefore not quite pessimistic enough, needing to account for more cash impact from the one time restructuring charges. Our bottom of consensus 6p dividend is therefore looking increasingly realistic
· Share price is unlikely to do much until there is greater clarity on the further one-time items and the cash implications of the pension review.
3Q09 results following its January profit warning.
Though the headline EBITDA numbers were already
known, the company gave more guidance on cashflow.
Due to a change in Global Services cashflow profile, the
company highlighted that FCF in 4Q will be significantly
lower than last year. As a result, we think consensus
forecasts may settle around £600-700m (7.7-9p a share)
of cashflow for this year (current MSe £1.0bn), with
F2010e cashflow (pre-pension top-ups) guided to “over
£1bn” (MSe £1.18bn).
pay an uncovered dividend for F2009e (possible in our
view, given the ‘one-off’ nature of the lower cashflow for
this year), then our previously highlighted range of 6-10p
a share for the F2009e dividend looks optimistic. For
next year, assuming that the range for cashflow
(pre-pension top-ups) is £1-1.2bn (note guidance of
“over £1bn”) and the range of gross pension top-up
payments is £280-500m, the range for FCFE
post-pension top-ups would be 8.2-12.8p a share.
already priced in to BT shares at current levels, in our
view: marking to market the ‘core’ would imply a
negative value range for Global Services and pensions
of £5-15bn, in our view; and if the company were able to
eradicate losses from Global Services, then the
business could be trading on a high-teens FCF yield. But
our conviction level on this bull case remains low, given
that 1) pension top-ups need to be clarified, with a stock
market bottom finding a floor for the deficit; and (2) a
clear route to Global Services profitability/cash neutrality
needs to be laid out by management. Until then, the
shares will remain a range-bound trade around the
dividend, in our view.
After its pre-announcement three weeks ago, BT has again adjusted down FCF
expectations for this year, reflecting lower working capital inflows expected in Q4.
This should help to smooth the Group’s quarterly FCF profile somewhat going
forward. Revenues were better than expected but we think the focus will remain
on FCF with the disappointment this year, and the new “over £1bn” target for next
year.
Our FCF forecast for this year, taking into account lower expected working capital
inflows in Q4, is now under £700mn, a cut of 35%. For next year, we have cut our
FCF estimate by 7% to around £1bn (including a £200mn pension top-up). Our
EBITDA estimates are down 0.5% this year and 2% next year.
We now expect a 7p dividend, a cut from our previous 10p estimate. This would
put BT on just less than a 7% yield, and would be a 60% payout of BT’s £1bn,
pre-pension top-up, FCF target for next year.
Our price objective is 115p
Our price objective remains 115p. The FCF drain of Global Services and the
pension uncertainty continue to overshadow BT’s steady core business.
come as a great surprise given weekend press speculation (The Times,
February 9, 2009) but what may do so is the speed of deceleration in top line
growth, from c.6% in Q108 to about flat in Q208. Diageo has responded with a
£100m cost restructuring programme and is halting its share buyback. The
impact on FY09 consensus EPS will likely be largely offset by the net effect of a
strongly positive FX benefit (£210m or +9% on EBIT); a 1% lower tax rate and
higher net financial charges.
+4%) spirits sales have been robust (+8%) but beer, wine and RTD sales all
declined. Europe top line (organic -3%) was impacted by an 18% sales decline
in Spain, while Asia (organic +2%) was restrained by lower RTD sales in
Australia, excluding which it grew +8%, helped by distribution changes in
Korea. International was still strong (organic sales +11% including +20% in
Africa) though difficult conditions outside the big Lat Am markets were noted.
global macro economic conditions of itself is not surprising but perhaps the
speed is. Given this, organic EBIT for FY09 could well be delivered towards the
bottom end of guidance, while in the US, by far its biggest market and resilient
thus far, rising unemployment continues to present challenges, as do the risks
of both Federal and State excise taxes, suggesting limited share price upside.
6%, below market expectations of 5% organic and 7% orgaic sales and EBIT
growth. The company also lowered its organic EBIT guidance from of 8% to 5%.
The company highlighted that the impact of the deteriorating economic
environment was more pronounced in Nov and Dec. We believe this will come as
a disappointment. The downgrade in the organic EBIT guidance comes on top of
the downgrade last, and even more disappointing is the fact that the company
remained fairly confident in their communications to the market as late as Dec
last year.
- that they cut A&P by 1% with net sales up 3%
- volumes in Europe declined by 5% and in the International division declined by
2%, and International by 8%.
On a reported basis however the reported EBIT was in-line with expectation, and
the EPS was boosted by a lower tax rate. On an organic basis we expect the
market to cut numbers by at least 5% with some of this offset by positive FX
impact.
We retain our Neutral opinion
Summary & new forecasts
Diageo has seen a significant slowdown in H1, particularly at the top line level, and its guidance for the full year has become more cautious as a result. We expect the shares to open lower. However, EPS for FY2009 will be supported by a lower tax rate and (more importantly) earnings growth in FY2010 will be supported by a larger than expected currency benefit (£200m at the EBIT level vs our above consensus expectation of £166m) and a cost reduction programme targetting £100m of savings.
Diageo trades on 12.1x CY2009E PE, a 5% premium to the sector on 11.5x. However, this gap closes in CY2010E with Diageo’s multiple falling to 10.6x, with its earnings boosted by the fall in sterling. Diageo is our top pick within the beverages sector. In the current environment we value the resilience to recession offered by its bias towards developed markets, its ability to moderate investment in the emerging markets, and its strong balance sheet. Moreover, we believe that the beneficial effect of sterling’s weakness is being underestimated by the market.
Organic EBIT growth of 4-6%, below previous guidance of 7-9%. We provisionally cut our FY2009 organic EBIT growth forecast from 5.8% to 5%. DGE now sees a £210m FOREX benefit to EBIT in FY2009E. This compares with the guidance of a £60m benefit given in last August. It is slightly below our expectations of a £242m benefit (marked to market). To our surprise, Diageo has offered currency guidance for FY2010, where it expects a £200m benefit at the EBIT level. This is above our estimate of a £166m benefit (marked to market) and more significantly above apparent market expectations. DGE has suspended its share buy back programme (previously planned to be £750m in FY2009).
Iron and Escondida along with the other tier one and important businesses of Kennecott Holdings (Bingham Canyon), Yarwun, Grasberg and the La Granja copper project. In addition they have bought stakes in Boyne and Gladstone Power
Station. No coal though and sadly no downstream aluminium packaging assets
(the coupons are 9 and 9.5% respectively) and with two Chinalco nominated directors on the board of the company comes conflicting interest from the world’s hungriest consumer of commodities. Furthermore the two companies have entered into
various strategic alliances that give Chinalco even greater levels of control in the underlying businesses. It feels as if these transactions were struck under the duress of the BHP Billiton offer post the Lehman failure and complete credit seizure in
Q3 last year. Conditions have changed and the market’s appetite for a rights issue with it.
We are unlikely to be the only ones with this view in the market. The transaction (i.e. both deals) is conditional on amongst others shareholder approval (a majority i.e. 50+1). There is a $195m break fee, however this is not payable if shareholders
vote against. The timetable is quite lengthy with the EGM likely to be held around May/June. The likelihood of the deal being voted down will clearly increase on any further commodity price improvement. Rio Tinto are restricted from soliciting a
competing proposal but can accept a superior proposal and we suspect the long interval before EGM, rising commodity prices in the interim and the circular announcement of prices paid for the individual assets is likely to encourage this.
marked to market PER for FY09 and FY10 versus our estimates assuming a straight $10bn rights issue that would address the 2009 debt commitment and leave the stock trading on PER multiples of 7.4x and 4.6x (spot). The quality differential in
the earnings, and changes to the economic value attributable to shareholders, arising from the Transaction versus a rights issue suggests to us that the board’s unanimity may not be shared by the market. The latter may, for instance, have
preferred Rio to have cut its dividend for two years rather than sold nearly half its stake in Escondida.
of their cost of extraction, grade and homogeneity of the ore, and size and longevity. Bingham Canyon is, in our view, near this status although the pit has become deep and the future may rest in going underground. Yarwun is the
company’s most recently built alumina refinery and sources bauxite feed from Weipa whilst selling, in turn, alumina to Boyne. Grasberg still remains in the top five copper mines in the world by production although Rio’s share of earnings is
relatively small. La Granja has the potential to become a 300500kt copper mine.
higher synergies from these assets and will certainly be more familiar with them. We have already referred to valuation
paid by Vale for Rio’s lower quality Brazilian assets.
decisions. Firstly, do shareholders believe that strengthening the company’s ties to one of its major customers is positive or negative? Secondly, does the magnitude of asset sales appropriately reflect the benefit of the tieup?
Finally, are shareholders comfortable that the proposed deal is a better alternative than raising money through more
traditional means?
the Group.
The uncertainty surrounding the approval by shareholders and the government will
hold the stock back, but once this comes through, then the stock should regain a significant part of its underperformance. In terms of read across this deal is a major vote of confidence by the Chinese government in the sector and its need for minerals. So the sector should bounce on the back of this.
which they have not reckoned before approaching Rio Tinto. Finally, the Rio Tinto results are at the higher end of expectations and pretty close to our top of the range estimates. So in short, we do expect a bit of travel and arrive performance here today at Rio Tinto, but would not expect too much of a decline either.
We have a Neutral on the shares with a Target Price of 2,000p. We saw
significant value in the shares before, but were put off by the uncertainty relating to the debt. With this issue being addressed, then the full value of the stock could crystallise as the deal is being approved. Both our Rating and Target Price are under review.
corporate activity. The convertible debt has been sold at $45 and US$60, which implies valuations of 15x and 20x 09E respectively. The minority stakes have been sold at an equivalent 17% of the EV, while the attached EBITDA only amounts to 10% of the Group. To put it differently, Chinalco is paying
a 5.6x EV/EBITDA for the various minority stakes compared with a valuation before the deal of around 3.3x 09E EV/EBITDA. Post the deal the valuation still only sits at around 3.5x 09E EV/EBITDA, even when assuming the higher number of shares and minority impact on EV. In as far as we understand there are no pre-emption rights on any of the assets sold, which should leave the door open to future bidders;
• A lot of advantages for Rio Tinto. The deal will reduce debt by US$19.5bn improving the net debt
EBITDA ratio from around 2x 09E before the deal to around 0.7x post the deal. In addition, it gives the Group a very strong foothold in China, one of its major markets.
control, while not giving away too much of its important assets either. In the case of Hammersley for example the Group only sells 15%. Also, Chinalco only gets two new board seats, adding to the existing 15 seats. Finally, it also leaves the Group in a strong position to continue its development strategy both organically as well as in terms of M&A;
• A major vote of confidence by the Chinese for the sector. Investing almost US$20bn into the mining sector indicates how much more the Chinese expect with regard to its needs for basic materials. They are still only at the early stages of economic development, which is generally quite construction and natural resources biased. Being short of minerals, they clearly see their potential
dependence on natural resources rich countries. This deal highlights the fact that China and India, in our view, will continue to see their demand for minerals increase, as they focus on growing their domestic economies. For anyone who has doubted the structural shifts in economic power in the world, this is a stark reminder of what we should expect in the future;
scupper the deal otherwise or have the capacity to make a more attractive offer. If not, then they might consider other opportunities in the sector such as AngloAmerican (BUY, TP 2,600p), which would offer them an improved position in iron ore, copper and a new metal with platinum;
• Finally, the Rio Tinto results were quite a bit stronger than the market expected. At the underlying earnings level the Group beat consensus by 6%, while at the EBITDA level US$22.3bn) it was some 7% better. Excluding exceptional items at the EBITDA level the Group even beat our very top of the range estimate of US$22.2bn;
The reasoning for the rights issue was to bolster the balance sheet and allow for opportunistic buying. BLND have two key covenant levels set at 175% maximum ratio for Net Borrowings to Adjusted Capital and Reserves and a 70% maximum ratio for Net Unsecured Borrowings to Unencumbered Assets. The actual levels at 31 December 2008 adjusting for Meadowhall and the rights issue set the 175% covenant ratio at 63% and the 70% covenant ratio at 0%. British Land have significant committed unused credit lines totalling 2.4bn (available at 48bp over LIBOR) and this rights issue will help keep covenants in check potentially facilitating opportunistic buying.
The issue price of 225p is at a 53% discount to last nights closing and a 41% discount to our estimated theoretical ex-rights price (TERP) of 380p. The TERP is a 3% discount to our ex-rights adjusted 2011 NAV of 391p. We note the risk to our current estimates remains to the downside. We estimate further outward yield shift during the course of calendar 2009 and an acceleration of rental value decline and vacancy rate increase, toward a trough NAV in 2010/11. Short interest British Land has increased to c13% of its market capitalisation reflecting this persistent risk.
Our ex-rights 2010 EPS is 35p including the assumption that the rights issue will be used to reduce interest costs at their average cost of debt of 5.2%. The ex-rights TERP multiple of adjusted EPS is now 10.8x compared to a pre-rights closing price multiple of 9.5x.
Along with the rights issue British Land released their 2009 Q3 results to 31 December 2008. NAV was 718p down 31%, EPS was 12p for the quarter (broadly in line with expectation) 14% lower than the same quarter last year and a dividend of 9.375p was announced for Q3, up 7%. The portfolio was written down 21.7% for the nine months to December 31 2008 and is now valued off a net Equivalent yield of 6.9% and a top-up initial yield of 7%.
Hammerson, but we have long assumed that the low point (March 2010) NAV
would be 416p. The issue of stock at 225p is less severe both in size of
issue and pricing than the Hammerson rights issue – less of a rescue,
though still at a deep discount of 49%, which implies compulsion to take up. We
anticipate a dividend very comfortably covered of c27-28p and yield on the new
shares of over 10%, a similar metric to Hammerson. However, our diluted lowpoint
NAV is 340p and the ex-rights share price of 380p suggests to us a
premium rating of 12%. The rating is therefore unappealing compared with
Hammerson, even allowing for the company being in better shape and the
associated Meadowhall £550m realisation which probably completes the major
restructuring of British Land. Leverage at our March 2010 low-point forecast has
come down to 130% from 292%.
rights issue of £740m at 225p. Relatively this is much less than the burden on
shareholders at Hammerson and also follows the significant £550m positive
turnaround by realising the 50% sale of Meadowhall supercentre as announced
on Monday. BL has therefore demonstrated superior strength and superior
strategic response.
is based up an expectation of a low-point (March 2010) NAV of 416p per share
(£2.1bn aggregate) in existing form, representing valuation yields of typically 7.7-
8.0%.
high rating of the entity, compared to 45% at Hammerson.
The company has assessed the dilutive effect on earnings from the issue and
much lesser impact from Meadowhall, and as against our earlier EPS of 52.5p
for March 2009 we now anticipate 37p. A minimum has been indicated of 28p.
The resulting dividend yield of 7.3% on the ex-rights price obviously supports the
rights issue in itself.
More academically, our estimate of diluted NAV for the low-point (March 2010) of
340p suggests an overall premium of 12% to the theoretical ex-rights price of
380p.
The final factor is that British Land could effectively have no bank debt (£640m at
quarter-end), but leverage reduced post Meadowhall to 130%, and the
covenants on the exclusive bond-finance (£5bn) are far less onerous than the
banking comparisons.
On the latter, the company has announced a £740m rights issue, on the basis of 2 for 3 at 225p per share; a 40% discount to the theoretical ex rights price. The loan to value ratio of the company was 54%.
In respect of general trading, the company has made a number of positive comments. It advised that terms have been agreed with a major institution for a letting of a significant part of the offices at Ropemaker. Occupiers in administration represented only 1.9% of assets.
The overall tone of the announcements is that the company is seeking to make sure that it has sufficient funds to pick up attractive investments, as and when they become available. We remain concerned about the mid-term outlook for City offices and also about the group’s exposure to index-linked properties and so we are retaining our Reduce recommendation.
detail in this note but ultimately we see the group raising fresh equity.
The rights issue needed is a minimum £350m but ideally at least £600m — the
minimum amount being needed to avoid covenant breach but with little head room.
The £600m offers some comfort on covenants and gives the group some options for
when trading improves.
Refinancing is an extremely expensive option — with the banks asking and getting
large up front fees as well as higher interest rates. The impact of Wolseley following
this route would lead to a significant reduction in earnings in 201
In terms of timescale the group has until the middle of the year — to decide
whether or not it is going for a rights issue. After this it needs a new covenant
structure in place. Some sort of dual tracking is possible.
We have cut forecasts hard again — to reflect the poor update and the ongoing
weakness in trading conditions. We now have EPS dropping to 14p in 2010e from a
peak of 99p in 2006.
We are upping our recommendation to a Buy —as we believe the group will go for a
rights issue and with a more robust balance sheet and a modest recovery in 2011e
the stock looks far too cheap in our view. However, there are lots of risks in this call
so we move our risk rating to Speculative and set a new target price of 310p (from
325p).
