Markets live chat transcript for the chat ending at 12:15 on 23 Jun 2008. Participants in this chat were: Paul Murphy (PM) Neil Hume (NH)
PM:
Welcome to Markets Live
PM:
This is FT Alphaville’s daily market twatter
PM:
We’re a complete shambles this morning
PM:
Neil thinks its something to do with the sun being out
NH:
everytime the sun comes out
NH:
the centre that hosts our email serves gets too hot
NH:
and the two hand held fans they have can’t keep the room cool enough
NH:
so the system falls over
PM:
Neil is trying to get him self sacked
PM:
I think people do a terrific job — keeping the systems going
NH:
well, there does seem to be correlation between hot weather and the mail not working
NH:
and let’s start with the shock news that the FSA has concluded its investigation into the HBOS bank robbery
PM:
Seems there wasnt a robber after all
PM:
comes as a complete shock to us here
NH:
but the FSA seem to have discovered some abuse
NH:
its just that they can’t prove it
PM:
One commenter was making the important point on the site earlier that we should try and be constructive in our comments about the FSA
PM:
Idea being that they might even listen and take note
NH:
how long have you got
PM:
Let’s have a look at HBOS itself instead
NH:
and its not looking good for Hornby and Co
PM:
Not at all good – current price….
PM:
Rights is due to go at 275p
PM:
So the underwriters are on risk
PM:
And we’ve still got weeks to go…
PM:
As we have gone on repeatedly — not sure what happens when a bank’s rights flops
NH:
well, the bears would say that it puts a nail in the coffin of London as a capital raising centre
NH:
if a 50% discount in HBOS does not work
NH:
how do you underwrite anything??
NH:
backstop it with PE???
PM:
Double/triple the underwriters’ fee?
PM:
You can see some of the PE or hedgies coming in here and offering to underwrite — working on the basis that they are happy to become longer term “inestors”
NH:
and I suppose u can get round pre-emption by offering placing and open offers with clawback
PM:
So why in particular are HBOS weak again this morning?
NH:
no real news out there this morning, some more downgrades and another bearish housing survey. nothing unusal.
NH:
but I think the penny is begining to drop – the UK economy is in real trouble
NH:
on Friday, Citi cut its 2009 EPS forecast for HBOS to just 20P
NH:
anyway, this morning Cazenove have downgraded
NH:
nowhere as aggresive at Citi
NH:
Caz had been relatively bullish on HBOS
NH:
HBOS – Reflecting an economic downturn [HBOS LN HBOS.L], 282p, In-line, sector – Neutral
HBOS’ pre close trading update marks a broadening of investor concerns, from a focus on financial market issues (e.g. treasury write-downs) to consideration of the consequences for the real economy, which will inevitably lead to higher loan impairment
NH:
We therefore reduce earnings to reflect significantly higher impairment charges, particularly in Retail Banking. We assume house prices fall 20% from current levels, which together with arrears peaking at the 1992 level on the mainstream book, leads to a significant increase in mortgage losses. Given the lack of precedent, and consistent with our view on Bradford & Bingley, the magnitude and timing of peak arrears on HBOS’ specialist loans is uncertain.
NH:
With corporate credit quality also deteriorating, we now expect the group impairment charge to double in 2009 from the 2007 level (£4.1bn from £2.0bn). We believe HBOS is a lead indicator of credit quality in the sector, and as such our estimates for other domestic UK banks are not yet based on a similar set of assumptions (although HBOS’ exposure to specialist lending means it will have a higher mortgage impairment charge). In our view the downside risk to estimates remains substantial across the sector.
NH:
In this context, the discount at which HBOS trades continues to look anomalous, albeit that the rights issue still has one month to run (fully paids trade 21 July) and we expect the shares to remain under pressure for the time being.
NH:
HBOS – Reflecting an economic downturn [HBOS LN HBOS.L], 282p, In-line, sector – Neutral. EPS estimates cut: 2008E -8% to 57.0p; 2009E -23% to 53.8p; 2010E -25% to 54.4p
NH:
HBOS also not been helped by the latest Rightmove survey, out this morning
NH:
showed that asking prices in England and Wales fell 1.2% month on month to mid June
NH:
and here is a bit of comment Howard Archer
NH:
Rightmove reported that asking prices for houses in England and Wales fell 1.2% month-on-month in the month to mid-June. This was the first fall in asking prices for houses in June in the survey’s near six-year life and reversed the somewhat surprising and unrealistic1.2% spike up in asking prices that occurred in May. Consequently, the annual rate of increase in asking prices for houses retreated to just 0.1% in June, from 2.2% in May and a peak of 15.0% in April 2007.
NH:
Rightmove concluded that June’s fall in asking prices for houses was the consequence of vendors becoming more realistic in their aspirations, and they certainly need to if they want to sell their houses, as other elements of the survey clearly point to further price softness over the coming months. In particular, the average stock of property for each estate agent was 75 in June, which was up markedly from 73 in May and 69 in April, and was the highest level since the survey started in August 2002. This means that there are now 15 properties available per buyer, which is more than double the seven a year earlier.
NH:
This highlights the fact that house sellers’ bargaining power is currently becoming ever more limited and that buyers now very much have the upper hand – if they can afford to buy a house and can get a mortgage!
NH:
While Rightmove still shows house prices still just in positive territory in year-on-year terms in contrast to both the Halifax (down 3.8% in May) and the Nationwide (down 4.4% in May), this is very much due to the fact that the Rightmove data relates to asking prices and it is becoming increasingly unlikely that they will be achieved by sellers.
NH:
Indeed, it seems certain that most sellers will be unable to shift their property if they do not price them competitively given serious buyer affordability constraints, limited and more expensive mortgages available due to ongoing tight lending conditions, a deteriorating economic outlook and little likelihood that the Bank of England will cut interest rates any time soon. Indeed, it is very possible that the Bank of England’s next move could be to raise interest rates, which would clearly be very bad news for the housing market.
NH:
The marked deterioration in sentiment over the housing market also heightens the risk that house prices will fall sharply over the next couple of years. On top of this, unemployment is now starting to rise, which along with a substantial number of homeowners having to re-mortgage at higher rates, is increasing the likelihood that people will have to sell their house for “distressed” reasons. Against this backdrop, Global Insight forecasts house prices to fall by 12% in both 2008 and 2009, before essentially flattening out in 2010.
NH:
and while we are looking ath the banks
NH:
another form TR3 has just been disclosed
NH:
its from odey asset management
NH:
and they have shorted Bungle Bank
NH:
just gone over the threshold
NH:
which means he will probably bang out a load more this afternoon and never have to disclose it
PM:
Ah yes — here’s statement
PM:
1. Full name of person(s) holding the disclosable Odey Asset Management LLP
short position:
2: Name of the issuer of the relevant securities Bradford and Bingley plc
3: Disclosable short position -0.28%
4. Date that disclosable short position was 20 June 2008
reached or exceeded
PM:
So, the champagne qwaffing Crispin Odey is REVEALED
NH:
Bungle Bank still above their rights price – down 1.75p at 66.75p
PM:
That’s re-rights price — re-refinancing
NH:
that’s the re-(rights) price
PM:
Looking thru the list — ntoe that LLoyds TSB also under pressure
NH:
that’s right – traded as low as 318p
NH:
currently down 5p at 322.5p
NH:
another weekend, another bid story
NH:
and Lloyds seems to have some fascination with Germany
NH:
a couple of weeks ago it was said to be looking at Cit’s operations in the country
NH:
then Deutsche Postbank
PM:
complete with the investment banking arm?
NH:
anyway, the story goes that Lloyds has made a tentative approach to buy Germany’s Dresdner Bank from Allianz for around £6bn.
PM:
Yes, that was in Der Spiegel on Saturday
PM:
Picked up by some blogs
PM:
Then it become an exclusive story in one or two of the British Sundays
NH:
so the story was not put out there to test market opinion
PM:
No — it leaked in Germany
PM:
IN fact i have a translation of the German original
PM:
This is from creditwritedowns.com
PM:
Now there are three serious prospects: The British financial group Lloyds TSB wants to buy Dresdner Bank from Allianz. Initial discussions are said to have already taken place.
According to SPIEGEL sources, Allianz has been in negotiations with the British financial instititution Lloyds TSB for several weeks concerning a sale of Dresdner Bank. The British are even said to have offereda purchase offer, although a non-binding one.. With Lloyds TSB, there are now three serious interested parties with Commerzbank and the Spanish bank Santander.
Allianz is ready to take billions in writedowns on its investment in its banking subsidiary should it be able to complete a sale. On its balance sheet, Dresdner Bank is valued at twelve billion euro. However, the likely sale price lies closer to eight billion euros.
PM:
And here’s the German
PM:
Jetzt gibt es drei ernsthafte Interessenten: Der britische Finanzkonzern Lloyds TSB will der Allianz die Dresdner Bank abkaufen. Erste Gespräche sollen schon stattgefunden haben.
Die Allianz verhandelt nach SPIEGEL-Informationen seit mehreren Wochen mit dem britischen Finanzkonzern Lloyds TSB wegen eines Verkaufs der Dresdner Bank. Die Briten sollen sogar schon ein allerdings unverbindliches Kaufangebot abgegeben haben. Damit gibt es nun neben der Commerzbank und der spanischen Großbank Santander drei ernsthafte Interessenten.
Die Allianz ist bei einem Verkauf bereit, auf ihre Banktochter Abschreibungen in Milliardenhöhe vorzunehmen. In ihrer Bilanz steht die Dresdner Bank noch mit etwa zwölf Milliarden Euro, der tatsächlich erzielbare Verkaufswert liegt eher bei acht Milliarden Euro.
NH:
of course there is an interesting angle in all this
NH:
and it concerns how Lloyds might pay the price tag
NH:
one idea seems to be that they would use cash and Scottish Widows to buying Dresdner
NH:
now some people are saying that’s because, Lloyds are desperate to get rid of SW before 2012, when they will have to deduct half of their £4.4bn life business subsidiary (ie Scottish Widows) from their tier 1 ratio.
NH:
indeed, a lot of people reckon that this is why RBS has decided to flog its insurance assets
PM:
As I understand it the current rules are that the FSA allows LLOY to double count some of the capital benefits of Scottish Widows
NH:
here is a bit of analyst comment
NH:
from the very bearish Sandy Chen of Panmure
NH:
We are cutting our forecasts and price targets to reflect the rapidly
deteriorating UK macro outlook. Talk of a German acquisition is preliminary,
with few prospects for synergies in our view.
We have revised our forecasts and price targets on LLOY to reflect the rapidly
deteriorating UK macro outlook.
NH:
The focus, of course, is rising impairments, particularly on the £23bn of non-mortgage personal loans (LLOY has the highest market share in unsecured personal loans in the UK), the £20bn in property & construction loans (where
we expect falling NAVs will lead to breached loan covenants putting pressure on
developers) and the £30bn of loans to non-bank financials and others.
We also expect impairments will rise on the £103bn mortgage book.
None of the above is specific to LLOY; it is simply a reflection of the deteriorating UK macro trends. The last time that LLOY went through something like this, provisioning charges per RWA were 159bp in 1990, 252bp in 1991, 195bp in 1992 and 133bp in 1993; this time, we expect impairment charges per RWA will rise from 111bp in 2007 to 135bp in 2008 and 185bp in 2009.
NH:
Higher impairment charges are the main driver for our forecast downgrades. We cut our 2008 EPS from 46.7p to 41.7p, and our 2009 EPS from 49.1p to 32.6p. We have kept our assumption for dividends flat at 35.9p for now, but we note that with many of
LLOY.s peers having declared scrip interim dividends, we think that LLOY.s could cut its cash dividend by circa 30% and still look attractive as a (cash) dividend play.
We now expect that ROIC will fall from 13.2% in 2007 to 10.2% in 2008 and 8.5% in 2009.
PM:
i didnt know that — largest unsecured lending book in UK
NH:
Our fundamental valuation models for banks are driven by the long-term prospects for
value-added margins. Despite the falls in ROIC, we still expect that LLOY.s ROICs will remain above its WACCs . i.e. we still expect that LLOY will create value over the next few years, something we do not expect for most of its peers. We do cut our share price target from 410p to 350p as a reflection of the lower value-added margins, but this still merits a Hold recommendation.
NH:
and here’s some waspish comment from an independent research house
NH:
The press is full of rumours that LTSB has made an approach to Allianz to buy Dresdner’s retail banking operations. The price tag is said to be £6bn, to be paid for by a rights issue and, potentially, swapping in Scottish Widows. This follows talk last week that LTSB was also interested in Postbank. No formal statement had been made at the time of writing.
I think that this would be a terrible deal for LTSB. CEO Eric Daniels has made the point on numerous occasions that a cheap valuation is not a good reason to buy an asset and I agree. In any case, at approximately 12x earnings and >1x book for an ROE of <10%, this does not appear outstandingly cheap in comparison with today's peer group valuations.
NH:
Secondly, LTSB cannot do this deal without issuing new equity. Swapping in Widows would simply crystallize its life-double counting issue meaning that new equity would be required to prevent the Group’s core tier 1 ratio from falling to unacceptably low levels (I estimate close to 5%, requiring £4-5bn to get back to 7%). If they are intent on buying Dresdner, they’d be better off raising fresh capital to do it. That way they’d keep Widows (which is currently performing very well), its earnings and the regulatory capital arbitrage that comes with owning it*.
NH:
Strategically, I can see the attractions of diversifying outside of the UK at this point in the cycle (substantially all of LTSB’s profits are UK based). However I don’t feel I understand what LTSB can bring to German retail banking, particularly compared with local players who may also be interested (e.g. Commerz). Dresdner’s 74% cost/income ratio appears tempting (LTSB: 49%), but more militant unions will make cost cutting challenging, whilst competition remains vicious in the world of German retail banking where not all players are pricing on the basis of making a proper market return. Dresdner is already seen as one of the better cross-sellers in Germany and yet its ROE is still poor. My learned colleague Garth Leder points out that SEB, which bought German retail bank BfG in 2000, has yet to improve its returns. Again, what can LTSB bring to retail banking in Germany? I don’t know.
NH:
Other points:
Swapping in Scottish Widows has been suggested, though would represent somewhat of a U-turn on the part of LTSB management who have been underlining their commitment to bancassurance. Given that this business is now really beginning to deliver, it would be strange time to sell it.
Equally importantly, because of LTSB’s double-counting life capital, the Group would be left looking considerably less well capitalised under such a swap arrangement. I estimate that LTSB’s core equity tier 1 ratio would drop from 7.4% to something close to 5%. In the current environment that would be deemed unacceptably low. To raise that back to 7% would require something in the order of £4-5bn of new equity (though the cynics would say that this would simply plug a capital deficiency that has been there all along).
The price-tag of £6bn would, we estimate, value Dresdner’s retail/commercial bank at just over book value, and 12x EPS (consistent with an ROE of 8-9%). These are based on actual operating profits figures and our estimates for the Dresdner Bank’s Private and Corporate Clients business. We assume that LSTB is not interested in the investment bank.
NH:
* in 2012, half of that arbitrage is removed, and I expect that at some point thereafter the rest will be stripped away too. However, the arbitrage continues to enhance returns in the meantime, and LTSB has time to fill the gap.
PM:
Dont think Redburn likes the idea of this deal!
PM:
Wider market — then go to some questions
NH:
been all over the place this morning
NH:
traded as high as 5,678 early doors
NH:
then fell back to 5,603
PM:
And this is on the back of a 220 point fall on Wall Street on Friday
NH:
market trying to get its head round the monoline stuff, the Rightmove housing survey
NH:
and we also have a Fed interest rate decision looming on Weds
NH:
mind you, I think this market is going to test its March lows of 5,414
PM:
Oooh — taht’s Bearish Neil
NH:
it is and they only thing that is preventing it happening is the oils and the miners
NH:
everything else in melt down
NH:
have you seen the housebuilders again this morning???
Barratt Developments (BDEV:LSE): Last: 85.25, down 2.5 (-2.85%), High: 88.75, Low: 82.25, Volume: 2.92m
Taylor Wimpey (TW:LSE): Last: 66.00, down 3.75 (-5.38%), High: 70.75, Low: 65.00, Volume: 4.16m
Persimmon (PSN:LSE): Last: 353.00, down 17.75 (-4.79%), High: 376.25, Low: 343.50, Volume: 2.91m
Bovis Homes Group (BVS:LSE): Last: 361.50, down 10 (-2.69%), High: 371.75, Low: 354.00, Volume: 365.12k
Bellway (BWY:LSE): Last: 504.00, down 20 (-3.82%), High: 532.50, Low: 495.00, Volume: 550.06k
PM:
All those who piled into the sector on the back shorting rule will be regretting it
PM:
Think the FSA cost people a good bit of money there
NH:
right to some questions below
NH:
I am not sure that its Collins Stewart doing the damage
NH:
its more worries about job losses in investment banking
NH:
this was in the paper this morning
NH:
Bankers fear the pace of job losses in the investment banking industry is set to accelerate over the summer after it emerged that Goldman Sachs, the sector’s star performer, cut staff at its investment banking division last week.
The Wall Street bank is now expected to cut up to 10 per cent of staff in the division that handles mergers and acquisition advice and corporate fundraisings over the course of 2008, with a fresh round of trimming starting last week.
EDITOR’S CHOICE
Goldman earns $2.1bn in second quarter – Jun-17
Goldman’s SIV deal welcomed – Jun-17
Video: Ben White on Goldman Sachs – Jun-17
Lex: Wall Street risk – Jun-17
Editorial comment: SIV civilisation – Jun-17
New hope for restructuring SIVs – Jun-17
The latest cutbacks, which come in spite of impressive second-quarter results, are separate from Goldman’s annual performance review, which typically sees the worst-performing 5 per cent of staff leave the bank.
Wall Street rival Citigroup is already in the midst of a 10 per cent reduction to its 65,000 strong investment banking staff. People at the bank say half of the layoffs have been made with further cuts likely in the coming weeks.
Goldman has so far suffered the least damage in the global credit crunch and remains the leading M&A adviser. But in an environment where mega buy-outs have disappeared and M&A activity has fallen sharply, even Goldman has felt the squeeze.
Goldman, in common with the rest of the industry, has been gradually shedding staff this year, or sending bankers previously based in the US and Europe to the Middle East and Asia, where business remains buoyant. Group headcount fell by about 400 between the first and second quarter.
However, job losses across the industry have been less severe than many expected this year, and Goldman’s heightened pessimism about its need to retain its more experienced staff during the rest of 2008 could prove a pretext for other banks to wield the axe with greater force.
Job losses are now gathering pace in Europe, which bankers say is lagging behind the US in adapting to slower conditions. Credit Suisse last week confirmed a fresh round of 75 job cuts in investment banking and support services in the UK, a move which it said reflected market conditions.
The Centre for Economics and Business Research anticipates 11,000 job losses in London this year, and a further 8,200 in 2009.
Bankers said business lines that had proved resilient so far – such as equities, rates and currencies – looked particularly vulnerable given mounting pressures on banks to reduce risk as well as the investment community’s continued attempts to reduce leverage.
The fixed-income business has suffered the brunt of the assault so far, but was in some firms now approaching a level where further cuts risked creating a competitive disadvantage.
One senior banker said back-office functions were likely to attract the attention of senior managers. “It is always the front office that gets hit first, because no one is quite sure what back office does and they are less visible. Back office is also helped because that is where human resources is based,” he said.
Goldman is still expected to increase its overall headcount this year, although its staffing mix will change as it recruits aggressively from universities.
“Any bank that says it’s not cutting is lying,” said one industry insider on Sunday. “It’s getting to halfway through the year and everyone can see that business hasn’t picked up.”
PM:
Fortunes directly linked to investment banking cycle
PM:
Thompson reuters that is
PM:
Actually – just looked at the price — its rebounded
NH:
deadcat bounce. one of the worst performers in the FTSE 100 last week. down something like 10%. Due a rally, but news of any more job losses and it will be only heading one way, especially if the buyback programme has already run out of juice
PM:
What else is moving this morning?
NH:
property stocks being smashed as we speak
Land Securities Group (LAND:LSE): Last: 1,276, down 63 (-4.71%), High: 1,318, Low: 1,274, Volume: 1.49m
British Land Co (BLND:LSE): Last: 744.50, down 21.5 (-2.81%), High: 762.00, Low: 736.00, Volume: 1.45m
Hammerson (HMSO:LSE): Last: 898.00, down 18 (-1.97%), High: 923.00, Low: 896.00, Volume: 1.29m
Liberty International (LII:LSE): Last: 878.00, down 26.5 (-2.93%), High: 908.50, Low: 875.50, Volume: 511.55k
SEGRO (SGRO:LSE): Last: 370.75, down 24.25 (-6.14%), High: 396.25, Low: 370.50, Volume: 736.92k
NH:
analyst John Fraser Andrews has been forced to take the red pen to forecasts, target prices and recommendations again
NH:
Rent reduction forecasts increased as
economic downturn squeezes occupier
demand
NH:
Dividend growth prospects dimmed by
elimination of rent reversions
NH:
Negative sector stance reinforced; we
are projecting over 30% share price falls
for Underweight-rated Liberty Intl on a
TP reduced to 565p from 680p, and
Hammerson on a TP reduced to 610p
from 700p; we downgrade Land
Securities to Underweight from Neutral
on a TP reduced to 1195p from 1500p
PM:
he’s suggesting 30% price falls — from here
PM:
Got some more of this note?
NH:
I have and Mr Fraser-Andrews does like a military metaphor
NH:
his last note was about donning the tin hat
NH:
today he is talking about sandbags
NH:
all very Blitz and Battle of Britain
NH:
Sandbags required for
occupier downturn
NH:
Sector underperformance to continue
The FTSE 350 Real Estate index has
underperformed the FTSE 350 index by 6% in the
year to date, falling by 14%. We expect further
absolute falls as the occupier downturn feeds
through to rents, cash flows, dividend prospects
and property prices.
PM:
We’re pretty blitz chic, arent we?
NH:
The sector performance chart below shows that
there has been a further 13% leg downwards in
the last two months as investors have started to
contemplate rent reductions in a deteriorating UK
economy.
NH:
Target prices hit by increased rent
reduction forecasts
We expect continued sector weakness as rents
fall, and we are deepening and widening the scope
of our rent reduction forecasts to reflect our
expectations for further erosion in occupier
demand against ample new development supply in
almost all sectors. The fall in net effective rents
has already begun. City office net effective rents
have fallen around 15% in the year to date,
including a 5% fall in headline rent. Incentives in
most other sectors have increased by 5% of
headline rent in the year to date.
NH:
Underweight sector stance
reinforced
NH:
The valuation tables on pages 3 and 4 show that
we are Underweight on our entire stock coverage
in the UK, having downgraded Land Securities to
Underweight from Neutral.
Projected share price falls of over onethird
for Hammerson and Liberty Intl
Our top downside picks remain Hammerson and
Liberty International. We are projecting share
price falls of over one-third for these stocks
NH:
Reiterating Underweight ratings on
British Land, SEGRO and Brixton
We are projecting a 23% share price downside in
Brixton with our target price reduced to 210p
from 255p, and a 22% share price downside in
SEGRO on a cut in our target price to 325p from
425p. We have reduced our target price for British
Land to 715p from 800p, leading us to project a
10% share-price downside.
NH:
Downgrading Land Securities to
Underweight from Neutral
We are reducing our target price on Land
Securities to 1195p from 1500p to reflect the
impact of our rent reductions on Estimated Rental
Value and a lower valuation of Trillium having
reduced profits in a tougher market for sub-letting
space vacated by DWP and realising profit on
freehold sales.
NH:
Dividend income returns
under pressure
Rent reductions diluting dividend
growth
Our expectations for a more severe 15%-35% fall in
prime rents in 2008e-09e, versus 5%-19% falls
forecast previously has eliminated almost all rental
reversions, which previously were the mainstay of
our forecast profit, cash and dividend growth.
PM:
Oh, Brixton gets off lightly then!
NH:
Income returns starting from a low cash return
base
We show in exhibit 3 below that the aggregate
free cash flow return on invested capital is low as
a result of both the modest income return
available on property following the boom and
capital tied up in developments.
NH:
Our aggregate forecast cash returns on capital are
below the cost of capital if developments are
assumed not to be fully let until 2013e, with the unlet
segments inclusive of our forecast rent reductions.
Dividend income yields relatively
unattractive
The prospective dividend yields of the REITs
under our coverage have scope, in our opinion, to
rise through share price falls, given that the
sector’s earnings prospects are ex growth. We are
forecasting that rent falls will dilute dividend
growth prospects.
PM:
Just 23% fall forecast
NH:
there’s another 40-odd pages of doom and gloom from Mr Andrews
NH:
for those who would like to see some more pls email me
PM:
As for housebuilders..
PM:
We’ve got a workie in this week — Henry G — aged 15.25
PM:
I’ve got him putting together a little linkfest of housing auction live crash links
PM:
So we can entertain ourselves with that
PM:
Anything moving up, innit?
NH:
a few bits and pieces
NH:
Tate & Lyle are a good market
NH:
stock up 17p to 391.25p
NH:
and that follows news that a rival has been bid for
NH:
yep company called Corn Products
NH:
and what’s interesting here is that Corn Products and Tate share a big shareholder
NH:
which is very secretive US hedge fund
NH:
but one worth watching
NH:
a company called BUNGE has agreed to buy Corn for $56/ share
NH:
the deal values Corn 9x 2008 EBITDA vs 6.2x Tate is trading on.
NH:
putting Tate on that multiple would give you a share price of 625p vs the 374p it closed at on Friday, I am told
NH:
Shire also bucking the gloomy trend
NH:
Goldman got behind the stock this morning
NH:
and been added to the Conviction Buy list
NH:
Goldman saying that concerns over the performance of Shire’s new ADHD drug, Vyvanse, have been well overdone
NH:
and now it has been approved for US in adults
NH:
the prescription data should start to pick up
NH:
here’s the note for those of you who are interested
NH:
Prescription share gains for Vyvanse have fallen short of consensus expectations leading to 23% sector underperformance (-3M), in our view.
NH:
However, we believe the current share price indicates that not only will
Vyvanse fall well short of guidance (US$350-US$400 mn) but market share gains beyond 2008 are also limited.
NH:
We expect share gains to accelerate in 2H2008 following the launch of Vyvanse in adults. Moreover, the focus on Vyvanse has obscured the sizeable and growing contribution of HGT (Human Genetic Therapies) which will contribute >40% 2012E group EBIT. We therefore upgrade to Buy from Neutral and add to Conviction Buy List.
NH:
Catalyst
Following Shire’s formal launch of Vyvanse in the adult setting, US scrip data over the next 6-8 weeks will be a major focus. A visible up-tick in market share is likely to prompt a share price re-rating. 2Q results (July 31) will provide management with another opportunity to confirm its 2008 sales outlook for Vyvanse.
NH:
Lastly, we believe Shire may hold a HGT business day during 2H08 which may to lead to a better appreciation of its
commercial potential and late-stage pipeline.
Valuation
Shire trades on a 2009E P/E of 14.5x – in-line with mid-cap peers despite a superior 2007-12E EPS CAGR of 16% (versus 12% for peers). Given the uncertainty surrounding Vyvanse this is perhaps unsurprising, however even on our worst-case scenario Shire trades at a 15% discount to peers on 2012E P/E. Moreover,
on an ex-HGT basis Shire’s remaining business trades at a 18%-22% discount to peers on 2009E EV/EBITDA and EV/Sales. Our unchanged 12-month target price of 1015p (27% potential upside) is calculated using DCF and returns-based methodologies (2:1 weighted).
NH:
Key risks
Key risks include pace of Vyvanse uptake, SG&A cost outlook and M&A.
PM:
Shire is up 50.5p at the moment — at 848
NH:
it is. stock had been smashed and don”t forget the tax evaders at Shire could still be a takeover target for Pfizer or AstraZeneca
PM:
Not evaders Neil — avoiders!
PM:
Evading is illegal – and everything Shire has done is completely legal
NH:
of course, how silly of me.
PM:
Just for the avoidance of doubt

NH:
not sore about the size of the Shire short, but it does have a convertible some the figs may be skewed.
NH:
well certainly at SCS
NH:
this morning we got the news we had been expected
NH:
there was a sad sense of inevitability about the whole thing
NH:
clarification of its financial position
PM:
Suspension of shares
The Company announced on 15 June 2008 that it was in discussions with a number
of external parties to address the working capital requirements of its
suppliers, and therefore its own working capital position.
During these discussions, the directors have received an approach from one of
the parties to acquire the entire share capital of its sole trading subsidiary.
This approach would see the trading subsidiary being provided with substantial
working capital facilities that would fully resolve the working capital issues
and ensure all suppliers have a strong and ongoing relationship with the
business.
To enable discussions to be progressed to a speedy conclusion the Company has
entered into exclusive discussions with the external party, and due diligence is
underway.
However, as these discussions have developed, it has become clear to the
Directors of ScS that the extent of the additional working capital funding
required may result in only negligible value being attributed to the shares in
ScS Upholstery PLC.
As a result, the Directors of ScS have requested a suspension in the trading of
the Company’s shares with immediate effect.
PM:
Apparently, they even looked donw the back of the sofa for some money
NH:
so what’s gonna happen here
NH:
are they goning to buy it out of admininstration???
PM:
I think that is a real possibility here
NH:
and just to think the stock rose 30% friday on retail buying
NH:
and you can bet if the little guys are struggling then we will soon get profits warnings from some of the big guys
NH:
which brings us nicely on to Debenhams
PM:
yeah, first tell me what happened to Debs on Friday
NH:
first, there was talk that a retailer had gone bust
NH:
the maverick analyst at Piper Jaffray came out with a note, in which he set a 17p target price
NH:
• Reiterate Sell rating and 17p price target
• Weak industry sales figures indicate a worsening sales outlook for Debenhams.
• We expect H2 profits to be at the bottom end of the range, we forecast £13m.
• We believe Debenhams is struggling to generate cost savings of £20m and net debt reduction of £140m for next year,
as department store sales keep falling and costs are rising.
NH:
• The fact that net debt remains close to £1bn and supplier credit at c£260m+, on reduced cash generation, leaves few options, in our view, but to raise additional capital from investors or banks, even after a cut in the final dividend.
John Lewis’s total sales were down 3% in May and Next has reiterated that H1 LFL sales expectations are at the bottom end of their range at -7% and pointed to a weaker 2009 sales outlook, which doesn’t bode well for Debenhams.
NH:
The IMS is expected on 3 July and with Debenhams on Sale again this week (50% off and additional 10% off flyers), we believe sales could again be trending below expectations. We believe that Debenhams’s plan to reduce stock options and keep stock
tight has only added to their falling department store sales problems.
NH:
We see little ability for the company to tap suppliers for more credit, given they already have 96 days on credit, equal to £260m+, on top of the £980m (and rising) of debt.
Debenhams’s management is looking to reduce debt by £140m by August 2009, but with weaker cash generation, we believe they may have to explore other options to meet this target.
NH:
A 30% or more cut in the final dividend, as we discussed in our note of 16 April, seems more than likely. Debenhams’s average debt to EBITDA is rising closer to 4x and interest cover is low at 2.5x leading us to believe they are experiencing working capital issues.
Improvement in UK disposable income, lower UK interest rates, new clothing price strategy, own bought womenswear LFL
sales growth.
PM:
remind me — who brought Debs back to the London market?
NH:
Merrill Lynch and Citi I think
NH:
there was one other which is out now
NH:
the VC’s were replaced by some retail entreprenuer from Dubai
NH:
People familiar with the situation are saying Debs is OK
NH:
it has not breached banking covs
NH:
but all of that does not matter
NH:
the market smells blood
NH:
I fear this is going to end up like Barratt Developments
NH:
everyone knows this company will need a refinancing
NH:
and until they do it, the stock will keep getting bashed
NH:
and if it keeps getting bashed
NH:
then the chances of getting a cash call away
NH:
get slimmer and slimmer
NH:
a downward spiral of doom
NH:
and I don’t see what the company can do about it
PM:
I dont know — but dont we think the london market is closed as far as rights issues goes?
NH:
it would tough call for Debs
PM:
All come down to price
NH:
think they might just have to keep their fingers crossed and hope they can trade through
NH:
in the meantime, 17p here we come
NH:
anyway, here is some comment I have picked up this morning on the situation at Debs
NH:
The company, we understand, has asked its suppliers if it can extend its payment terms to almost 100 days and is also reportedly looking for larger discounts on its purchases.
NH:
There is no doubt in light of weaker trading in recent weeks that the company will come close to breaching its covenants, in particular total leverage to EBITDA, which has always been tight with net debt forecast at £975m at August 2008. We also expect the company to cut its dividend at the year end to preserve cashflow. On consensus forecasts, the stock is rated at 4.5x 2007/8 forecasts. Our HOLD recommendation is under review. We are seeing the company this afternoon.
NH:
Debenhams (Buy, TP 92p) ~ Trading fears spark talk of rights issue. Debenhams shares fell by more than 10% on Friday. There has been speculation about sales declines of up to 9% in some weeks recently and there was speculation about a rights issue, and a broker sell note was out with a 17p price target.
Coinciding with this is a move by Debs to extend its payment terms with suppliers to 96 days, according to press articles. Debenhams will issue an IMS on 3rd July which, has not been brought forward to this point. In contrast to these events, market share data has continued to show Debs is advancing compared to its peers, and various of their initiatives continue to provide considerable self-help on both margins and debt.
NH:
Clearly though, there is clearly a risk that these plans may simply not be enough if consumer spending truly goes y into reverse. We await the update next week but believe they have been trading better than speculation suggests, albeit with things getting tougher. On consensus forecasts it trades on 5x PER and 4.4x EV/EBITDA.
PM:
Got a bit raw to spice things up here?
NH:
yep, been saving the best till last
NH:
and oddly enough it’s in the retail sector
NH:
Phillips – the opposite is the case in my home town.
PM:
Come on — tell me the RAW
NH:
well, the story was about on Friday
NH:
in fact it was in Saturday’s small cap report
NH:
now, what I am picking up from some very plugged in people is that
NH:
Chris Ronnie – the mini Mike Ashley who is the company’s biggest shareholder with 29% and CEO
NH:
wants to take the company private
NH:
apparently the idea is to launch the offer
NH:
and then when JJB is private offload the company’s healthclub business
NH:
apparently this will help finance the deal
PM:
what’s the health club business worth??
NH:
depends which analyst you yalk to
NH:
Citi for example reckons it is worth around £130m
PM:
and JJB has a market value of what??
PM:
so, the healthclub cash could used to refinance any debt
NH:
and traders have noted another interesting fact
NH:
it is over a year since Ronnie acquired his 29% holding
NH:
he bought it from David Whelan, the founder of JJB and owner of Wigan FC
NH:
he played 275p a share for the stake
PM:
Shares at 111p at the mo — down 2.5p
NH:
but now that a year has passed, Mr Ronnie would not be required to match that price
NH:
he could offer what he wanted
NH:
and although the share price has fallen a long way from the level Mr Ronnie bought in at
NH:
he has been very busy, reshaping the business
NH:
Mr Ronnie is closing 72 of its 409 stores and cut 800 jobs at a cost of up to £23m
NH:
these are the loss making stores
PM:
so what do you think of the rumour
NH:
well, the first thing to say is that it is in the retail sector and that is very dangerous place to be at the moment
NH:
i rate these people highly
NH:
and from what I am hearing a MBO is being considered
NH:
whether there is finance in place
NH:
or anyone would be prepared to lend the money
NH:
all I do know is that the drums are beating on this one
NH:
and there is bound to be some substance to the rumours
NH:
but in the interest of balance here is a note from Citi
NH:
which concludes a buyout is unlikely
NH:
but puts the other side of the argument across quite well
NH:
but one most obviously remember, that analysts are notoriously bad at predicting M&A action
NH:
Takeout Speculation – Something doesn’t add up
Analysis will not get us to the answer of whether JJB will be bid for. We do
however discuss the key stakeholders and potential break-up value of the
business.
NH:
1. Exista/Chris Ronnie own a 29% stake, bought for 275p
Any bid will need the backing of Exista and Chris Ronnie, who currently own a
29% stake. This currently represents a paper loss of c£80m. We suspect their
financial backer, Kaupthing, will not have the appetite to add further finance to
support an investment in a cyclically challenged business
Major shareholders Legal & General, Harris Associates and Standard Life jointly
own c29% of JJB. Significant proportions of their stakes have been acquired at
over 200p. We suspect a takeover bid would need to be at least 200p, a
premium of >60% to the current share price and a level that would be
prohibitive to most potential suitors.
NH:
2. What could the leisure business be monetised for?
We are big fans of the leisure business; it has c22% operating margins
alongside a committed pipeline of new units.
Recent fitness club acquisitions of Esporta and David Lloyd stripped of
property suggest EV/EBITDA multiples can vary significantly depending on the
perceived brand value and membership density. Putting JJB at the top end of
these multiples suggests a value for the leisure business of c£130m.
NH:
The leisure business growth driver is critical to the recovery story in retail.
The retail store base is mature. Following the disposal of 72 high street stores,
this still leaves a chain approaching 350 stores. The leisure business, with 49
units opened out of a near-term objective to 100, provides the only significant
profit growth driver for the business.
NH:
Keeping the leisure business is essential to the future prospects of the group.
Growing the leisure business enables higher margin mezzanine retail stores to
be built above, providing cash flow to support the mature retail chain where
EBIT margins after allocation of central costs are still sub 2%.
NH:
4. Managements actions and language do not suggest an MBO is imminent
JJB announced last week the acquisition of a ‘broadly break-even’ chain of
footwear stores in Scotland called Qube. This is in addition to the Original Shoe
chain acquired for £5m in the Autumn.
The continued focus on corporate activity suggests management remains
committed to growing the business as a listed retailer on market.
NH:
On Fundamentals – Investors should Sell JJB
History tells us that the vast majority of retail bid speculation does not end with
any definitive offer. If investors agree with us that a MBO or sale of the leisure
business is unlikely, the JJB investment case should be based on
fundamentals. Here we can analyse ourselves to an answer and we have
conviction that JJB is a Sell.
NH:
We publish a SOTP for JJB for the first time today. This drives an implied 74p
share price, consistent with our 80p target price.
To maximise shareholder return, investors should use bid spec premium as a
selling opportunity as fundamentals deteriorate and forecasts are downgraded.
On fundamentals, we briefly outline our Sell case:
NH:
1. There is downside risk to our revenue forecast
On our updated forecasts, a 1% fall in retail LFL drives a 15% PBT downgrade.
JJB has significant fixed costs with a c350 store portfolio and alongside DSG
remains the most operationally geared retailer we cover.
Revenue trends in the last 6 weeks of reported trading imply a LFL trend of
-10% in retail LFL. Given the -5% LFL achieved in retail in 2005, we fear for
downside risk to our -4% retail LFL across calendar 2008E.
2. A 50% premium to the sector is not deserved
There are no significant revenue catalysts for 25 months until the football
World Cup in July 2010. Given the downside earnings risk from a consumer
downturn, it is too early to put a recovery premium on either business.
On fundamentals, we believe JJB should trade in line with the UK general retail
sector and the current 50% premium is unjustified.
3. The recovery plan is not enough to prevent earnings attrition
We have backed Chris Ronnie to deliver strong gross margin growth this year
(+175bp). But given the very geared nature of the JJB P&L, any gross margin
upside must to accompanied by a return to positive LFL to offset cost growth.
Given the –6.5% retail LFL during the first quarter of the financial year, we fear
for 2Q gross margin softening as Spring/Summer stock is cleared through June
and July.
4. We expect the UK consumer environment to weaken further through
calendar 2008 with no recovery in 2009
Macro indicators suggest consumers’ available cash is going to reduce
throughout 2008, with no recovery in 2009. JJB operate in the middle of the
market selling to the lower/middle demographic most impacted in a consumer
slowdown. We fear trading conditions will deteriorate throughout calendar 2008
and 2009.
PM:
I’ve got a tennis tournament to go to
NH:
Robinson’s Barley water then
PM:
Come on — you said you had some coffeeshop story
NH:
i do, and this one has been knocking around for a while
NH:
Coffeeheaven international plc. (‘coffeeheaven’) operates speciality branded coffee/sandwich bars in Central Europe under the coffeeheaven® brand name.
coffeeheaven is recognised as the leading coffee bar brand in central and Eastern Europe – Allegra* Strategies European Coffee Shop Market October 2007
*Note: Allegra is one of the UK’s leading research companies in the coffee bar sector
coffeeheaven is a contemporary, lifestyle café concept, which is both new and original in Central Europe.
coffeeheaven is redefining the Central European speciality coffee/sandwich bar market with a level of quality in product and service comparable to similar concepts anywhere in the world.
coffeeheaven group stores can now be found in Poland (where coffeeheaven is market leader), Czech Republic, Latvia, Bulgaria and Slovakia. As development continues in these markets it is expected that coffeeheaven stores will open in other countries of Central Europe in the near future.
NH:
and the story is that Whitbread has been doing DD and is close to making a 55p a share offer
NH:
now, we were trying to check this story this morning
PM:
So it remains RED RAW
PM:
In fact it might even stil be alive
NH:
and very quickly here is a recent Panmure note on the company
NH:
coffeeheaven is a high quality, growing business operating branded coffee
bars in several fast-growing central European markets. With strong
operational disciplines and local market knowledge, we believe the business
can execute an ambitious roll-out programme and has scope to deliver
significant upside in returns for investors.
NH:
Business. coffeeheaven international plc is the holding company of a group that
operates speciality branded coffee bars, primarily under the coffeeheaven brand, in
central Europe. coffeeheaven is a contemporary, lifestyle cafe concept offering high
quality coffee, snacks and service comparable with those found in more established
markets.
NH:
! Growing markets. The majority of its 85 stores are in Poland, where the company is
market leader. However, it has a growing presence in other markets such as the Czech
Republic, Latvia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia and Hungary. Many of these markets are
demonstrating strong economic growth and increasing lifestyle spend by consumers.
With a strong understanding of local market and consumer dynamics, we believe the
business is well placed to expand the estate to 350 stores by 2017.
! Financial picture. coffeeheaven is in the early stages of an ambitious store roll-out
programme and continues to invest heavily in achieving this. To this end, we believe the
business will continue to see cash outflows until 2014E when we expect the momentum
from EBITDA to begin to exceed the cost of new store openings. The company should
become strongly cash generative from this point on, moving into a net cash position
from 2015E.
! Outlook and valuation. Valuing coffeeheaven in the traditional sense is not a valid
option, in our view, at this stage in its development. Instead, we have looked at how the
business will build economic profit and cash flows. This suggests an implied value for
the business of 67p per share, or 70% upside potential from the current share price. We
initiate coverage with a Buy recommendation.
NH:
remember that funny internet advertising company called Phorm Group
PM:
Actually – tht was funny
NH:
you don’t think it is very good do you??
PM:
We used the system for Alphaville in the early days — and it jsut meant that all the ads ended up on Myspace
PM:
Cos kids use the same computer at home…
NH:
anyway, someone has started coverage with a buy rating this morning
NH:
Substance over Phorm
Phorm is a double rarity in UK media. As a quoted business, it has
direct exposure to the global trend for targeted web advertising
and, as a start-up, a VC risk profile. The issue is valuation. We have
spoken to partner ISPs and other stakeholders, built a basic DCF
model and looked at M&A. We rate the shares a high risk Buy.
NH:
Phorm offers UK stock-market exposure to what is predicted to be the fastest area of internet
advertising growth after search, namely behavioural targeting. In the US alone, the value of
this market is expected to double to US$1bn during 2008 and then to almost quadruple to
US$3.8bn by 2011. The business model is bold. Put simply, Phorm is poised to rewrite the way
internet advertising is planned, bought and sold in the UK and in international markets.
Phorm needs the co-operation of its ISP partners to succeed. In return, Phorm’s plans give these
ISPs a share of fast-growth internet advertising for the first time. This said, the user/ISP
relationship is fragile and our inquiries suggest some of Phorm’s ISP partners may proceed with
caution, given issues involving user privacy. In particular, we do not believe Phorm’s
arrangements with various ISPs are binding in terms of the timescale of a formal launch. Delayed
launch or loss of an ISP partner is the single biggest downside risk factor to the business model.
NH:
We have rationalised Phorm’s current market valuation in terms of the scale of sector M&A,
and the trading multiples of purist internet growth stocks (Rightmove) or high risk/return
start-up style business models (Ark Therapeutics). From a DCF perspective and using our
own projections, we value the business today at £256m or 1850p per share. We then weight
this median DCF valuation for the risk the service fails to launch, resulting in a fall to £205m
or 1481p per share. Hence, although this figure discounts downside launch risks it does not
factor in the option value in expansion overseas or, in our view, Phorm’s unique strategic
value in the UK stock market. Overseas expansion is the biggest upside risk to our valuation.
Investment conclusion
We initiate on Phorm with a Buy recommendation on a 12-month view. This is high risk.
While short-term newsflow – perhaps in relation to support from some of its ISP partners –
may add to price turbulence, our recommendation anticipates positive newsflow on trials
with web users and a probability-weighted DCF valuation of 1481p. New territories would
be additive to our base-case estimates. Over the medium term, factoring in the above, we
can see the share price recovering the ground lost since the last funding exercise (£20).
PM:
Thank you very much for joining us today
NH:
well, Paul has to coz he is off to Wimbledon. It is the Season you know
PM:
back at 11 am tomorrow
NH:
Wimbledon for straberries and cream
NH:
Lords Test in August I think
NH:
and what about Henley. Got an invtite yet??
PM:
You are coming to that — its a one dayer
PM:
(interesting link from taxloss)